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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #50 on: December 22, 2013, 08:42:51 AM »
nah, not the controled, forget that.
any newcomer will not get nowhere near the same speed as a pro,on no shot, give a tennis racket to big rami and see what happens.

nobody is hitting a 120mph service speed without many years of training.not hitting in the field, i mean getting the speed at all.it will not happen.

the move is way too complex, takes too much coordination.
now,agassis bench claims, hell no sure as hell he didnt any 1 rep with 300lbs in a "legal" fashion, full rom etc.the weight would simply dislocate his shoulders and break the arms,lol.

anyone who played tennis on serious level will know that a serve speed comes from year long learned explosive movement where the whole body work like clockwork.raw strenght means nothing.
its a cordination of many muscle areas playing together.



Agree. Its like a golf swing.  Way more technique invloved instead of just size of the player. 

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2013, 08:43:13 AM »
Yeh and I guess you never bothered with any video footage either right? I guess you probably won't even have any footage of you benching 350lb right?  ::)

I love how people make these claims of feats of strength but never bother recording it. It's like some dude on another forum i read claims he incline presses 180kg for reps but instead of videoing this he sticks up vids of him doing lateral raises or some other BS.

And your comprehension skills are lacking,  i never said someone a lot bigger than Aggasi could hit a tennis ball harder than him, I said it wasn't a given that Aggasi can hit a tennis ball in any fashion harder than someone bigger and stronger but no so good at tennis.

And actually your analogy with Overeem backs my point to some extent, I used to knock about with a guy who was a pretty good amateur boxer, I have never boxed. Yet we used to hit those punchball things they have at fairs and stuff, and I could always hit them harder than him and get a better score, but in a boxing ring i would have no chance.





Sev has posted films backing his strength claims.

Are there things?

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2013, 08:46:20 AM »
fuck you loser.go on to some lady sports tennis web and lick his ass.you have no buisness posting here.

Except he's right.   Agassi's an elite athlete who was successful at the pinnacle of his sport.

He's going to be stronger, faster, etc...in addition to having better techniques and access to the best training and foods.

Too many get caught up in bodybuilding bullshit and try to judge strength by looking at someone.

That said, I believe 315, but since the amount of reps aren't stated, it's not much to really worry about.
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #53 on: December 22, 2013, 08:46:46 AM »
nah, not the controled, forget that.
any newcomer will not get nowhere near the same speed as a pro,on no shot, give a tennis racket to big rami and see what happens.

nobody is hitting a 120mph service speed without many years of training.not hitting in the field, i mean getting the speed at all.it will not happen.

the move is way too complex, takes too much coordination.
now,agassis bench claims, hell no sure as hell he didnt any 1 rep with 300lbs in a "legal" fashion, full rom etc.the weight would simply dislocate his shoulders and break the arms,lol.

anyone who played tennis on serious level will know that a serve speed comes from year long learned explosive movement where the whole body work like clockwork.raw strenght means nothing.
its a cordination of many muscle areas playing together.



The serve takes as you say a great deal of technique, I've played quite a bit of tennis and am shit at it, i can't hit the ball too hard in a game or it tends to go out the court lol, but just chucking a ball in the air and hitting it in any fashion(direction no issue) i would take a bet i could hit the ball harder than a lot of people who i wouldn't be able to win a single game against on a court.

Of course someone who has never picked up a tennis racket before would be a different issue. And I think once you get past a certain size like the Ramis and Pianas you greatly lose any athleticism you may have had, so better comparisons in such things would be guys that are big and naturally athletic, but not past the point where wiping their own arse is not possible.


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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #54 on: December 22, 2013, 08:49:52 AM »


True. Also, a lot of bodybuilding is how much you look like you lift, not how strong you actually are. A lot of the biggest guys don't shift the heaviest weight and so one can see a much smaller guy and think the amount he's lifting much be bullshit. However, he isn't training like a bodybuilder at all, he is focusing on strength and power etc..
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2013, 08:50:16 AM »
Sev has posted films backing his strength claims.

Are there things?

What are you talking about you idiot? I am pretty impressed if he can bench what he says he has, i just haven't seen the vids , so was simply asking him if he minds posting the link.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2013, 08:56:24 AM »
Except he's right.   Agassi's an elite athlete who was successful at the pinnacle of his sport.

He's going to be stronger, faster, etc...in addition to having better techniques and access to the best training and foods.

Too many get caught up in bodybuilding bullshit and try to judge strength by looking at someone.

That said, I believe 315, but since the amount of reps aren't stated, it's not much to really worry about.

Him being an elite athlete means nothing in regards to pure lifting strength.  Especially in a sport where overwhelming strength isnt needed.  Look ar Honey Badger from LSU.  Elite, but weaker than a large percent of getbiggers. 

Another example being baseball players. I lifted with a number of them, one being Ryan Doumit that the Braves just signed and they were nothing special in the gym. 

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2013, 08:58:24 AM »
What are you talking about you idiot? I am pretty impressed if he can bench what he says he has, i just haven't seen the vids , so was simply asking him if he minds posting the link.

It seems you are very sensitive about this topic.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2013, 08:59:37 AM »
It seems you are very sensitive about this topic.

yes very ;D

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2013, 08:59:57 AM »
Yeah, I believe a 300+ bench for a man of Agassi's body frame and weight.  Also believe in trust but verify, but in his case it's plausible. Some guy's are just born with correct bone leverage and muscle structure to be natural pressers. Same as others being natural squatters or DL'ers. And they don't always have mounds of masses muscles to do it. Some can be somewhat lean or average looking, though muscular.  Muscle size does not always mean better strength.

High school kids handle 300+ quite well and their bodies are not near fully mature to take advantage of theie full strength potential. Benching strengthen the lats/bac/traps also.

Strength also increases speed. With tennis, it is the pulling action of the event, not pushing (not going to press the ball over the net). Given that, Agassi's natural pull must also be strong. Just born with good Iranian genetics.
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2013, 09:01:29 AM »
What most losers into "bodybuilding" don't understand is FUNCTIONAL MUSCLE.


theres no functional muscle crap.

either theyre strong or not.

the size of muscle doesnt say much about the strenght,though.or, it doesnt say everything.

but agassi was never repping out legal slow reps with 300 for sets,lol.

ill believe it when i see it,simple as.

The serve takes as you say a great deal of technique, I've played quite a bit of tennis and am shit at it, i can't hit the ball too hard in a game or it tends to go out the court lol, but just chucking a ball in the air and hitting it in any fashion(direction no issue) i would take a bet i could hit the ball harder than a lot of people who i wouldn't be able to win a single game against on a court.

Of course someone who has never picked up a tennis racket before would be a different issue. And I think once you get past a certain size like the Ramis and Pianas you greatly lose any athleticism you may have had, so better comparisons in such things would be guys that are big and naturally athletic, but not past the point where wiping their own arse is not possible.


better not take that bet.

not on forehand, not on backhand,and especialy not on a serve shot.

sometimes theres those speed cameras in shopping centers and you can measure your speed of your hits.

try one of them, youll see its nowhere near where one initialy believes it to be.

the tennis players hit the ball much much harder than ppl would think.lol esp when controlling the ball and hitting the corut is no issue, you can forget about coming remotley close.
they can hit controled forehand shot at over 100mph no problem.
they can hit controled serves at 120mph no problem(males)

a good server will also have a decent baseball speed, throwing just the ball.technique is somewhat similiar.

thats right, amateur with no control,nothing to hit wont even come close to tennis player who hits the target within few square inches.

its just too complex movement to build up any decent speed without years of practice.

that said i was competitive tennis player and could and still can hit serve speed of 120mph, but even years into benching i couldnt do proper 300lbs lift.

the 2 movements have nothing to do with eachother.

i mean tennis players at national level, not the beer belly weekend superstars btw.

now sev being able to bench 4 plates is true, lol, but that was roided and after years of training, im sure before he lifted and just played tennis, 4 plates a side would have disemboweled him ;D


Yeah, I believe a 300+ bench for a man of Agassi's body frame and weight.  Also believe in trust but verify, but in his case it's plausible. Some guy's are just born with correct bone leverage and muscle structure to be natural pressers. Same as others being natural squatters or DL'ers. And they don't always have mounds of masses muscles to do it. Some can be somewhat lean or average looking, though muscular.  Muscle size does not always mean better strength.

High school kids handle 300+ quite well and their bodies are not near fully mature to take advantage of theie full strength potential. Benching strengthen the lats/bac/traps also.

Strength also increases speed. With tennis, it is the pulling action of the event, not pushing (not going to press the ball over the net). Given that, Agassi's natural pull must also be strong. Just born with good Iranian genetics.
lol, man, relax, agassi is lying or he used some kind of machine. :D
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2013, 09:10:42 AM »
Him being an elite athlete means nothing in regards to pure lifting strength.  Especially in a sport where overwhelming strength isnt needed.  Look ar Honey Badger from LSU.  Elite, but weaker than a large percent of getbiggers. 

Another example being baseball players. I lifted with a number of them, one being Ryan Doumit that the Braves just signed and they were nothing special in the gym. 

I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, just not out of the realm of possibility like some are stating.
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2013, 09:15:00 AM »
hahahaha look at those forearms. They would snap like matches holding 315 ::)



I bet Serena Williams benched mor than Agassi


yah but look at his chest ;D

i think need another source for the claims,i dont believe aggasis word on this.hell no.
lol what do other tennis players bench?
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2013, 09:16:37 AM »
I think it's possible.  I've noticed over the years that the level of muscularity isn't as closely related to strength as is assumed.  The guy with the biggest muscles isn't always the strongest.
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2013, 09:24:07 AM »
Bullshit.  He would be lucky to roll 300lbs. 
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btw its possible serena could be stronger than him, she has faster top serve speed.

would that mean serena can bench 300 too

or would that mean agassi did cswole rep-rom?

ill give him few reps with perfect form 2 plkates each side but thats it.

but one thing indeed ,lol, bodybuilders do think theyre extremly strong or something at times ;D
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2013, 09:26:11 AM »
I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, just not out of the realm of possibility like some are stating.

Like I said, I can buy a couple of reps.  But not a working weight 6 or so reps for numerous sets.  Not free weight wise. 

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2013, 09:26:53 AM »
lol..seems like this isn't the only forum to debate this

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=30568
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2013, 09:28:07 AM »
No. Fucking. Way.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2013, 09:28:55 AM »
lol..seems like this isn't the only forum to debate this

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=30568
hahahha

.Reyes since has presided over the...vomit-inducing dune runs that allow Agassi to bench-press 350 pounds while outlasting players nearly half his age.


now i know its bs


lol at the first post in that thread hahaha.is it common in america hahah
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2013, 09:54:50 AM »
hahahha

.Reyes since has presided over the...vomit-inducing dune runs that allow Agassi to bench-press 350 pounds while outlasting players nearly half his age.


now i know its bs


lol at the first post in that thread hahaha.is it common in america hahah

Yeah, I thought that was a bit suspect
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2013, 10:11:57 AM »
I think he meant singles not for reps.

I did not realized that you played competitive tennis galeniko. I played some futures then stopped around 2002.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2013, 10:14:18 AM »
 Andre used PED. He used Meth and Coke too. I totally believe he did reps with 315. Top athlete, strong, and on PED. PED are used in his sport too. NOT just NFL and MMA.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #72 on: December 22, 2013, 10:17:02 AM »
Andre used PED. He used Meth and Coke too. I totally believe he did reps with 315. Top athlete, strong, and on PED. PED are used in his sport too. NOT just NFL and MMA.
True .. weird thing though, they kept handing out suspensions for clenbuterol.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2013, 10:21:05 AM »
I think he meant singles not for reps.

I did not realized that you played competitive tennis galeniko. I played some futures then stopped around 2002.

" He claims that he was bench pressing twice his bodyweight, five to seven sets of over 300LBS.... I call bullshit on this..."

Quote from the OP who read the book.  I can buy singles, but no chance he is throwing up 315 for multiple sets.  And no offense, but the guys who keep throwing him being a pro athlete as being "proof" are barking up the wrong tree.  Tons of pro athletes in many sports wouldnt be able to do this.   And wasnt he 175 at the time?  315 for multiple sets?  Not buying without seeing him do it. 

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2013, 10:29:41 AM »
" He claims that he was bench pressing twice his bodyweight, five to seven sets of over 300LBS.... I call bullshit on this..."

Quote from the OP who read the book.  I can buy singles, but no chance he is throwing up 315 for multiple sets.  And no offense, but the guys who keep throwing him being a pro athlete as being "proof" are barking up the wrong tree.  Tons of pro athletes in many sports wouldnt be able to do this.   And wasnt he 175 at the time?  315 for multiple sets?  Not buying without seeing him do it. 
I have him ok for singles and nowhere near reps with anything close to 300. He was 170 lbs at the time