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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2013, 10:32:04 AM »
not impossible to bench 300lbs (136kg) for a shitty half rep on the smith machine (and assume the barbell is 45lbs, which it isnt...) if you are an athlete


that's probably what happened

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2013, 10:33:10 AM »
  I think Andre may have been able to use 315 for 3


  but that is very good for a small tennis pro like him


  on ped of course



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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2013, 10:35:15 AM »
I have him ok for singles and nowhere near reps with anything close to 300. He was 170 lbs at the time

Bingo.  You were around very high level athletes, and I am sure you would agree that there is a huge amount of variation in strength.  And some of the best at their sport were nothing in regards to lifting strength. 

And also the reverse is true.  Many, many gym guys are horrible athletes.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #78 on: December 22, 2013, 10:50:55 AM »
I saw great athletes suck at the sport and seeming couch potatoes who were great. I saw world level who were very weak in the gym and viceversa.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #79 on: December 22, 2013, 10:53:20 AM »
He probably counted it like most people do, with the spotters hands on the bar.  They all say that is just for safety which is a complete crock of shit.  The spotters hands being on the bar is always a significant help.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2013, 10:56:31 AM »
  Sev, do you think Andre did 300 for 1 rep? I think it is totally possible for him while at his peak and on PED

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2013, 11:02:24 AM »
  Sev, do you think Andre did 300 for 1 rep? I think it is totally possible for him while at his peak and on PED


I think it is very possible.  300 is really not that much for one rep, even at a lighter bodyweight.  That being said, it is unlikely any bench pressing he did was done under any kind of strict conditions with no spotter help whatsoever, all the way down touching his chest with his butt flat on the bench.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #82 on: December 22, 2013, 11:03:49 AM »
thanks liquid

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2013, 11:07:00 AM »
I've posted video of guy that is of similar size to Agassi and can bench press 150kg x 1. He had 36cm arms at that time MAX. Full rom, solid reps. Therefore entire discussion whether someone his size can do that or not is void.

Twinks who can lift incredible weights are not unheard of in powerlifting. I've seen to many 180cm tall guys that weighted around 70kg that could bench press over 130kg and deadlift over 200kg not to belive Agassi...

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2013, 11:08:26 AM »
I've posted video of guy that is of similar size to Agassi and can bench press 150kg x 1. He had 36cm arms at that time MAX. Full rom, solid reps. Therefore entire discussion whether someone his size can do that or not is void.

Twinks who can lift incredible weights are not unheard of in powerlifting. I've seen to many 180cm tall guys that weighted around 70kg that could bench press over 130kg and deadlift over 200kg not to belive Agassi...
agassis arms are more like 34cm

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #85 on: December 22, 2013, 11:09:34 AM »
Ilya Ilin looks even worse and I would be surprised if he couldn't bench press 180kg.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #86 on: December 22, 2013, 11:09:45 AM »
thanks deceiver


 funny thing is... I will take andre getting 315 for 1 on the bench... spotter or not... more than I will take kali doing 275 for 4 easy reps via the biceps curls... does any one else feel this way?

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #87 on: December 22, 2013, 11:11:15 AM »
Ilya Ilin looks even worse and I would be surprised if he couldn't bench press 180kg.
yeah he looks like SHIT

i wonder why because klokov looks GREAT


genetics? different peds? different training? diet?


 ???

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #88 on: December 22, 2013, 11:15:36 AM »
  Sev, do you think Andre did 300 for 1 rep? I think it is totally possible for him while at his peak and on PED
Yes .. he came back after his beer belly/meth phase fit and strong and dominated .. for the first time in his career he was really fit like a real athlete .. I do believe he did a single .. people forget that our very own Sherief Shalaby did 315X1 at 170lbs and he was natural. So Agassi all juiced up I believe ..

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #89 on: December 22, 2013, 11:16:31 AM »



Thank you Sev! Exactly my thoughts!

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #90 on: December 22, 2013, 11:20:01 AM »
yeah he looks like SHIT

i wonder why because klokov looks GREAT


genetics? different peds? different training? diet?


 ???

First of all, genetics. Secodnly, Klokov spoke about this in the interview, he cares about his bodyfat and muscularity for marketing purposes. I believe it was an interview with Ilya and he said that because he is two times olympic champion and one of the greatest in the history he doesn't need to care about that aspect. He is superstar in Kazachstan anyway.

Klokov used to be fat when he was younger, he knows that his career is over so he tries different methods to become celebrity in Russia and USA. His crossfit seminars granted him demigod status in Crossfit circles arleady. Arnold is his idol so he tries to follow his footsteps.

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #91 on: December 22, 2013, 11:22:03 AM »
First of all, genetics. Secodnly, Klokov spoke about this in the interview, he cares about his bodyfat and muscularity for marketing purposes. I believe it was an interview with Ilya and he said that because he is two times olympic champion and one of the greatest in the history he doesn't need to care about that aspect. He is superstar in Kazachstan anyway.

Klokov used to be fat when he was younger, he knows that his career is over so he tries different methods to become celebrity in Russia and USA. His crossfit seminars granted him demigod status in Crossfit circles arleady. Arnold is his idol so he tries to follow his footsteps.
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #92 on: December 22, 2013, 11:22:42 AM »
I think he meant singles not for reps.

I did not realized that you played competitive tennis galeniko. I played some futures then stopped around 2002.
:D

actually started lifting weights bc coach said my footwork sucked, so that meant bit squats and leg curls etc.

the rest,as they say, is history.

instead of the multi million chance in tennis, went for the pennyless bodybuilding olymp ;D

nah tennis isnt the money opurtunity for the poor, best to already bring some money and hope for the best.

i didnt play futures, but could win a few games (not whole sets) vs future players.

lol, tennis was our bb "foundation" ;D ;D
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #93 on: December 22, 2013, 11:23:35 AM »
Andre used PED. He used Meth and Coke too. I totally believe he did reps with 315. Top athlete, strong, and on PED. PED are used in his sport too. NOT just NFL and MMA.
ha yeah petr korda was busted with steroid usage.

lol, petr korda , less muscle than dj181.

look him up haha
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #94 on: December 22, 2013, 11:23:55 AM »
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instead of the multi million chance in tennis, went for the pennyless bodybuilding olymp


more genius from the galeniko! ^   :D ;D

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #95 on: December 22, 2013, 11:26:00 AM »



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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #97 on: December 22, 2013, 11:38:28 AM »
I've posted video of guy that is of similar size to Agassi and can bench press 150kg x 1. He had 36cm arms at that time MAX. Full rom, solid reps. Therefore entire discussion whether someone his size can do that or not is void.

Twinks who can lift incredible weights are not unheard of in powerlifting. I've seen to many 180cm tall guys that weighted around 70kg that could bench press over 130kg and deadlift over 200kg not to belive Agassi...
yes but that one trained specificaly for that lift, didnt he?

ofc someone agasis size can do it,as you said, strenght has more to do with skeleton structure,strenght of joints,tendons, and most importantly cn system.

that said, agassi wasnt "big" server, no power hitter in tennis, in tennis what made him dangerous is he could play the balls very early after they landed on the ground and thus, accelerate the game, and his reaction and instinc for return game.
i could definitely serve as fast as him,thats no big deal, measured it(sere wasnt his strenght anyway), and i have ok-above average genetics for strenght and this bbuilding stuff.
now, while i could serve like that bc of years and years of training, it still took many years of training , peds and severe weight gain till i got anywhere near close 1 clean rep for 300 on bench.
im slight bit taller than agassi ,we were about same weight and build, and after stopping tennis, doing only weight lifting and peds,ie concentrating on that, still took years.the body that later lifted 300 was nothing resembling the tennis physique.far advanced in overall power.

but maybe power is really just cns coordination and entirely given by genetics, and only need to be brought out,if you know what i mean.

but i find theres many paralels and is an ok comparo,thats why i really doubt it.
ppl often say a 300lbs bench is nothing etc.

a 300lbs bench single rep bbuilding style, no shirt,full rom, is quite very strong.

i could load up 5 plates each side+a spotter and do a 50% rom 1 rep bench but itd mean nothing.

agassi is a liar was one throughout carreer and has used peds,so much is clear, i dont think he can be trusted.


lol arce yeah thats the mass monster korda.he used deca,how dumb can they be to use soemthing like deca which can be traced for years ?
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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #98 on: December 22, 2013, 11:57:46 AM »
 :D ;D

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Re: Andre Agassi - bench press claims...
« Reply #99 on: December 22, 2013, 12:43:02 PM »
Yes galeniko .. we should get together and hit some balls when I heal .. during my teens I did on and off bodybuilding and fought in kyokushin karate (took a break from tennis between 15-18) .. so muscles and strength helped my karate and also my tennis.. I was one of the very few tennis players at that time to have a weightlifting component to their training. Loved it. Here's me in 2001 .. traveled from US to Romania to qualify for a few futures..