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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2013, 06:11:59 PM »
so your saying you don't believe in global warming


I don't believe in human-caused global warming.  In fact, the global warming fanatics have had to backpedal on the rate of "warming" their models predicted over the last ten years.  Because...it...didn't...happen.

When I was a kid, the climatologists were predicting a second ice age by now, using "highly validated models".

However, there is now a huge, multi-billion dollar industry supporting this latest false theory, and any scientists who dissent from the apocalyptic predictions of charlatans like Al Gore, have a very hard time getting research grants or even getting published.


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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2013, 06:15:34 PM »
Guys on the right before you go bashing this conspiracy or agenda, this is peer reviewed research assholes,this isn't some think tank fucking info piece, it's peer reviewed research, read the paper yourself. It's a fact.

Global warming is occurring and we are the problem.

you throw your lot in with the talking snake, evolution deniers and I will stick with peer reviewed research. We will see who prevails, bullshit only lasts for so long.

Baloney.  The hottest periods on record in human history date from the Middle Ages, and there were no green-house gas emissions then, unless you count the methane from farts.  Maybe everyone was just constantly farting then.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2013, 07:58:26 PM »
Baloney.  The hottest periods on record in human history date from the Middle Ages, and there were no green-house gas emissions then, unless you count the methane from farts.  Maybe everyone was just constantly farting then.

This.

I don't hear Al Gorelioni coming up with any explanation for that little inconvenient truth. 

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2013, 08:15:11 PM »
Global Warming is an agenda.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2013, 08:17:40 PM »
So now there is billionaire funded think tanks against climate change.... to match the already existing how many billionaire funded pro climate change think tanks?

Yeah... woopty doo.

oooh noooessss.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2013, 12:46:28 AM »
What about the multi billion government climate problem invention network?

The tunnel chris christie cancelled from nj to ny had 300million $ is enviro impace lawyer bs and bs from littel science goon contractors

massive crony money just to comply with tons of useless antiproductive enviro wako regualtions

tons of non producive lawering and money sucked by cronies judges academics and lil bioscience psudoscience intitutes the start

this is 1 project in 1 state

this is how al those useless bioscience grad student get paid

they get 700 an hour doing crony lawer enviro wakko investigations

the lawyer haul in much more

this is how useles governmetn school morons with moron degrees rake in crony $$

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2013, 04:34:56 AM »
you can tell who watch fox news  :D :D :D :D   oh,and the earth is round  not flat:D

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2013, 06:44:37 AM »
Guys on the right before you go bashing this conspiracy or agenda, this is peer reviewed research assholes,this isn't some think tank fucking info piece, it's peer reviewed research, read the paper yourself. It's a fact.

Global warming is occurring and we are the problem.

you throw your lot in with the talking snake, evolution deniers and I will stick with peer reviewed research. We will see who prevails, bullshit only lasts for so long.
But they WANT the lies to be true so very, very bad!

And denying peer-reviewed science is strange? Does that really surprise you, in a country where half the populace believes in creationism, angels, and a literal hell?

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2013, 10:16:25 AM »
I don't believe in man made global warming.

 ;D

Thats right.

Its total bs to get tax money through green crony handouts to helper corps created by cronies.

 ;D

Any questions?

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2013, 12:26:54 PM »
But they WANT the lies to be true so very, very bad!

And denying peer-reviewed science is strange? Does that really surprise you, in a country where half the populace believes in creationism, angels, and a literal hell?

I guess you are not open to the possibility that these particular "peers" might not even allow their skeptical colleagues publication.  In fact, there was a bit of a scandal a few years ago when some of those "objective" peers were caught red-handed doing just that.

Well there are other views, especially now that the predictions of the vaunted "global warming" models have been discredited.  And these other views are from scientists with every bit the same level of credentials as the global warming crowd, your gratuitous attacks on religious beliefs notwithstanding.

Check these out; your brainwashing may yet be reversible:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420783/Worlds-climate-scientists-confess-Global-warming-just-QUARTER-thought--computers-got-effects-greenhouse-gases-wrong.html

And these guys are not funded by the Koch brothers; they just don't buy the increasingly discredited global warming pablum.

Tell me this:  If you went to a doctor and he told you you had six months to live, and you were alive and well six months later, would you say "Well, he still must have been right, even though I am still in great health, because his research was "peer reviewed?"

All kinds of false theories have been published in the "peer reviewed" journals of their time.  Google "luminiferous aether" for one example.  There are many.

Man-made global warming is just one of the latest such cases.


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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2013, 02:43:54 PM »
Baloney.  The hottest periods on record in human history date from the Middle Ages, and there were no green-house gas emissions then, unless you count the methane from farts.  Maybe everyone was just constantly farting then.

Stop arguing with "doc", this is settled science. The debate is over, there are no facts to support anything you have to say. If this debate was happening on the reddit science board you'd be band. Feel lucky your not kicked off the board. Some other issues that are settled debates are: The IRS scandal, the Bengazi debacle, Obamacare, Syria, NSA spying, spying on the media, mainstream media bias, Obama's past prior to 2008..these things are all just hype. Don't bring them up ever because they're settled.
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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2013, 03:10:09 PM »
Stop arguing with "doc", this is settled science. The debate is over, there are no facts to support anything you have to say. If this debate was happening on the reddit science board you'd be band. Feel lucky your not kicked off the board. Some other issues that are settled debates are: The IRS scandal, the Bengazi debacle, Obamacare, Syria, NSA spying, spying on the media, mainstream media bias, Obama's past prior to 2008..these things are all just hype. Don't bring them up ever because they're settled.

Settled it is not.  You obviously did not bother to read the references I posted.  If you want more scientific dissension on whether or if mankind's activities are responsible for radical climate change, do your homework instead of opening a big, blustering, ignorant mouth.

And I will bring up what I want, whenever I want, Dipshit.

I herewith invite you to kick yourself off the board.  You can then fuck yourself.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2013, 03:13:32 PM »
Alright guy...relax. Apparently sarcasm or recognizing it isn't your strong suit. But since we're both on the same side on this ridiculous debate and I would'nt piss on necrosis if he was on fire...I'll let your outburst slide. Re read my post and honestly tell me you think I was serious.
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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2013, 03:29:57 PM »
Alright guy...relax. Apparently sarcasm or recognizing it isn't your strong suit. But since we're both on the same side on this ridiculous debate and I would'nt piss on necrosis if he was on fire...I'll let your outburst slide. Re read my post and honestly tell me you think I was serious.


I should have read your previous posts.  Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone is serious on Getbig.  Sorry.  :-[

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2013, 03:50:14 PM »
Thats why I posted the pic of comrade Obama..in case somebody got the wrong message. Like I mentioned they banned debate on reddit and the asshole who did it wrote an article wondering why more boards don't do the same.
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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2013, 04:57:16 PM »
I think the question should be what can be done about the consequences from climate change.

Stop using fossil fuels is not really an option at this moment.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2013, 05:11:47 PM »
I agree. There is a huge difference on how much we damage the planet and how the planet is changing. Pumping public money into poor alternatives is not the answer.
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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2013, 06:38:50 PM »
the problem here is, if youre not educated enough to understand the researches, your views are simply speculation and wishfull thinking.

goes for both sides of the argument.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2013, 05:57:39 AM »
I guess you are not open to the possibility that these particular "peers" might not even allow their skeptical colleagues publication.  In fact, there was a bit of a scandal a few years ago when some of those "objective" peers were caught red-handed doing just that.
Quite the contrary. I have a decent idea what is going on in the scientific publishing world, and even specifically this particular journal. And I did see a bias when I investigated. However, I realise that the truth is always somewhere in the middle. I do not trust career warming advocates, but neither do I trust scientists funded, in part or in whole, by the Koch brothers. What I do trust is indirect research (plant migration and such) confirming warming. Mind you, I'm not saying 'man made' warming, as I have not seen any definite proof of that. Humans are increasing greenhouse gases, the planet is warming, but whether those are causally linked remains open.

In this case I err on the side of caution. Yes, we may spend billions in energy infrastructure we do not need to spend. Which would suck if truly unneccessary. However, the cost of the alternative, inaction, are potentially much worse.

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Well there are other views, especially now that the predictions of the vaunted "global warming" models have been discredited.  And these other views are from scientists with every bit the same level of credentials as the global warming crowd, your gratuitous attacks on religious beliefs notwithstanding.
Yes, there are other views. A very small minority of views. The majority certainly is't always right, but the wisdom of the crowds does hold some weight.

Also, anything to do with religion is a cancer upon this world and deserves all the ridicule it gets.


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Check these out; your brainwashing may yet be reversible:
Thanks, already read all of that. And so, so much more. Still a regular reader of WRH, just because I need both sides of the story in order to make a balanced decision.

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Tell me this:  If you went to a doctor and he told you you had six months to live, and you were alive and well six months later, would you say "Well, he still must have been right, even though I am still in great health, because his research was "peer reviewed?"
What a terrible straw man. First of all there is no peer review in medical decision making (well, there is now, and it is slowly gaining popularity). And second, yes, I would still trust the doctor. Perhaps remind him to work on his phrasing of odds in probabilistic events, but he's a doctor, not a statistician, so I'd probably let that one slide.

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All kinds of false theories have been published in the "peer reviewed" journals of their time.  Google "luminiferous aether" for one example.  There are many.

Man-made global warming is just one of the latest such cases.
Yes, there have been many theories refuted in scientific literature. That's the beauty of it. It's just that, until that happens, the standing theory still holds. And no lame excuses about not being able to get published. There's so many Open Access journals now that you can always find a publisher for anything. You'd be amazed at the shite that gets published in scoentific journals in all field.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2013, 06:38:17 AM »
Again - who the F cares? 

Nothing proposed or to be implemented will do jack FNG squat but rip off citizens, give more money topoliticians and lying corrupt thugs like Al Gore, and most countries trying to improve their economies wont go along.

So again - who the F cares about this nonsense? 

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2013, 06:41:15 AM »
http://blog.heartland.org/2013/12/epa-falsifies-data-bypasses-its-own-scientists-who-loudly-cry-foul

The EPA are a bunch of liars and frauds in their own right.

Bunch of useless and wortheless pos

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2013, 07:02:53 AM »
Again - who the F cares? 

Nothing proposed or to be implemented will do jack FNG squat but rip off citizens, give more money topoliticians and lying corrupt thugs like Al Gore, and most countries trying to improve their economies wont go along.

So again - who the F cares about this nonsense? 


Good attitude

Who cares? You are a moron

Nice link moron.

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2013, 07:06:11 AM »

Good attitude

Who cares? You are a moron

Nice link moron.

Oh you are so special "you care"  - you are better than me right? 

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2013, 07:06:26 AM »
Baloney.  The hottest periods on record in human history date from the Middle Ages, and there were no green-house gas emissions then, unless you count the methane from farts.  Maybe everyone was just constantly farting then.

To be fair they did eat a lot of beans. 

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Re: Billion-dollar climate denial network exposed
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2013, 08:52:15 AM »
The warm period became known as the MWP, and the cold period was called the Little Ice Age (LIA). However, this view was questioned by other researchers; the IPCC First Assessment Report of 1990 discussed the "Medieval Warm Period around 1000 AD (which may not have been global) and the Little Ice Age which ended only in the middle to late nineteenth century."[13] The IPCC Third Assessment Report from 2001 summarised research at that time, saying "…current evidence does not support globally synchronous periods of anomalous cold or warmth over this time frame, and the conventional terms of 'Little Ice Age' and 'Medieval Warm Period' appear to have limited utility in describing trends in hemispheric or global mean temperature changes in past centuries".[14] Global temperature records taken from ice cores, tree rings, and lake deposits, have shown that, taken globally, the Earth may have been slightly cooler (by 0.03 degrees Celsius) during the 'Medieval Warm Period' than in the early and mid-20th century.[15][16]