FLEX WHEELER still has it. NEW SHIRTLESS PICTURE!!

[galeniko]

All the anti-aging doctors around the world juicing their patients (or what do you think they do?).

I don't have to prove anything, I'm not the one saying steroids ON THEIR OWN AND WHEN TAKEN WITH CARE are bad for the heart. If you are saying that, please YOU point me one, only one case of a death case with steroids as a MAIN CAUSE. Show me one study that proves unequivocally that simply taking steroids makes the heart grow to an alarming extent.

ah yeah no problemo, its up o definition.

all im saying it can happen.

i had hearth checked recently and left ventricle size etc, ill admit i was abuser i younger years,lol, and it didnt happen to me, maybe i was lucky maybe the ones who get the growth are much worse abusers than i have been.

maybe its genetic in the first place.

yah i dont see it happening from 1 test ampuola weekly.

but other heart issues may arise but even then diet will be more the cause than steroids are, uless its abuse.

ppl should just be honest and smart enough to stop when bp isues start to happe, this is where the downfall beginns

[Hulkotron]

Flex is mentally ill

[kohl]

ah yeah no problemo, its up o definition.

all im saying it can happen.

i had hearth checked recently and left ventricle size etc, ill admit i was abuser i younger years,lol, and it didnt happen to me, maybe i was lucky maybe the ones who get the growth are much worse abusers than i have been.

maybe its genetic in the first place.

yah i dont see it happening from 1 test ampuola weekly.

but other heart issues may arise but even then diet will be more the cause than steroids are, uless its abuse.

ppl should just be honest and smart enough to stop when bp isues start to happe, this is where the downfall beginns

Exactly my friend!

When people are abusing steroids AND gh for an extended period in time and don't care to monitor their blood pressure in the first place and secondly to give blood at least every three months to avoid elevated hematocrite, then it's no wonder they get heart issues.

No need to blame steroids for that. Drinking up to three glasses of wine daily is (according to some studies) healthy for the heart. Drinking three bottles every day I guess won't be that healthy... but who's to blame, the wine or the one who drinks it?

[galeniko]

i know some ppl will not like this, but i think as soon gh is in the stack, all bets are off.


even small doses


haha yeah i see them all the time, walking round with purple faces

[ProudVirgin69]

Heart issues always come from blood pressure/count, hematocrite and kidney issues.

Steroids on their own do NOT make the heart grow.

Research suggests that it does....it's not conclusive, but neither is your assertion that steroids do not lead to cardiac myopathy

Anything taking your test levels beyond 800-1000 ng/dL is playing with fire

[mesmorph78]

Genetics ...
The same way some old guys have big arms still at 60 and some men have a full head if hair at 90
Flex will always have decent muscles regardless of what he takes
This is what people hate to hear but it's the truth

[kohl]

Research suggests that it does....it's not conclusive, but neither is your assertion that steroids do not lead to cardiac myopathy

Anything taking your test levels beyond 800-1000 ng/dL is playing with fire

WTF?? Some people have more then that naturally when they are young!? Does that mean that an 18 year old has a dangerous T-level??

Somebody who is on juice should be around 1500 ng/dl and be fine with that IF well monitoring the blood values.

Main worry should be prostate. In the past it was a serious issue in people who were prone to prostate enlargement, because tamoxifen only gives a partial protection. Now there is raloxifene. Anyone who's put on hormones by a serious anti-aging doctor has it in the mix.

But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!

[Mawse]

WTF?? Some people have more then that naturally when they are young!? Does that mean that an 18 year old has a dangerous T-level??

Somebody who is on juice should be around 1500 ng/dl and be fine with that IF well monitoring the blood values.

Main worry should be prostate. In the past it was a serious issue in people who were prone to prostate enlargement, because tamoxifen only gives a partial protection. Now there is raloxifene. Anyone who's put on hormones by a serious anti-aging doctor has it in the mix.

But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!

LVH is a very real risk from trt, I have it.

Estrogen caused prostate issues so keeping it under control on trt might actually be lower risk than older men not on trt with low t high e

[kohl]

LVH is a very real risk from trt, I have it.

Estrogen caused prostate issues so keeping it under control on trt might actually be lower risk than older men not on trt with low t high e

You got LVH on trt?? Doesn't that simply mean it's genetic? What's your sports/drug history?

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Check out the whites of Flex's eye's...They along with the bloated face with abs tell a story that his health is at risk...

[arce1988]

synthol
tattoos
kidney failure
 

[Natural Beast]

he looks kinda old there...

but respect to him that shows he has better genetics than coleman.. looks better than him after retirement.. well he looked better than him in his prime too.. coleman is just a big abuser and genetic freak too for sure but flex had him in genetics factor imo

[Big Chiro Flex]

Check out the whites of Flex's eye's...They along with the bloated face with abs tell a story that his health is at risk...

What exactly are you seeing in his eyes

[anabolichalo]

he looks kinda old there...

but respect to him that shows he has better genetics than coleman.. looks better than him after retirement.. well he looked better than him in his prime too.. coleman is just a big abuser and genetic freak too for sure but flex had him in genetics factor imo

oh yeah blow out a kidney on lower doses than rc but better genetic

[Natural Beast]

oh yeah blow out a kidney on lower doses than rc but better genetic

i mean great genetics for bb... flex was lookin like a greek god with comic look where coleman just looked like a big freak who abuses tons of roids.. i mean just look at the guy after his retirement that says all.. he didnt look pleasing in his prime too after 1999 he gone retard playin with drugs

[macos]

Check out the whites of Flex's eye's...They along with the bloated face with abs tell a story that his health is at risk...

Not at all.

Any bber above 8% bf shows this bloated face, more like a down's syndrome look. Irishmen get this look even below 8%.

[ProudVirgin69]

WTF?? Some people have more then that naturally when they are young!? Does that mean that an 18 year old has a dangerous T-level??

Somebody who is on juice should be around 1500 ng/dl and be fine with that IF well monitoring the blood values.

Main worry should be prostate. In the past it was a serious issue in people who were prone to prostate enlargement, because tamoxifen only gives a partial protection. Now there is raloxifene. Anyone who's put on hormones by a serious anti-aging doctor has it in the mix.

But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!

The "safe" range for an 18-year old is quite different than that of a 60-year old.  That being said teenagers top out at around 1200ng/dL which isn't far off from what I posted, so I'm not sure why you are taking issue with my statement.

LVH is very common in weightlifters/bodybuilders, both in natural and AAS-using bodybuilders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4079743
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9276165
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9778553

And these are just are just the first few studies that came up.  LVH is well-documented in all sorts of serious athletes, I'm not sure where you get your information from.

[jon cole]

Still holding decent size and lean.

He should take off his shirt and hit some poses, I bet that he would still look great even after all those years and health problems.

no homo

more than HRT...

some ppl are delusionnal, despite serious health trouble still chasing the illusion.

[Natural Beast]

hahaha some of u guys are killin me everytime..  more than hrt? u serious? we are talkin about flex wheeler here not some hollywood star or actor guy trains for more than 20 years and has one of the best genetics competed at the top level... if u really think flex wheeler would use more than hrt after his kidney problems u are a fuckin douchebag so what do u think how his stack looks like nowadays??? 

[TEMPER]

Heart issues always come from blood pressure/count, hematocrite and kidney issues.

Steroids on their own do NOT make the heart grow.

Growing of the heart isn't nearly as big of a deal with juice as plaque and Arteriosclerosis.

Steroids are pretty well known to cause messed up cholesterol values etc...Completely closed off plaque filled arteries are not uncommon in long time juice abusers who have heart attacks. The problems usually go away when you come off the sauce but who the hell comes off? It's usually the opposite, taking more and more.

TRT doses, I don't know. But no one got big on 100mg of test every 2 weeks. We're talking about bodybuilding and strength sports here. We abuse steroids.

[anabolichalo]

hahaha some of u guys are killin me everytime..  more than hrt? u serious? we are talkin about flex wheeler here not some hollywood star or actor guy trains for more than 20 years and has one of the best genetics competed at the top level... if u really think flex wheeler would use more than hrt after his kidney problems u are a fuckin douchebag so what do u think how his stack looks like nowadays??? 

boy you dumb

[Natural Beast]

boy you dumb

if u think he is on more shit than hrt so tell me what does his stack look like?

[arce1988]

flex eyes do look ill
like watery





and as galeniko said... so many with purple lips, faces, etc    horrible

[Natural Beast]

i just rememberd i saw a recent interview from fibo 2013 flex was sayin he doesnt train like a bodybuilder no more.. he does core training crossfit and shit like that..

[anabolichalo]

i just rememberd i saw a recent interview from fibo 2013 flex was sayin he doesnt train like a bodybuilder no more.. he does core training crossfit and shit like that..

that explains his monster midsection