FLEX WHEELER still has it. NEW SHIRTLESS PICTURE!!

[Nicademus]

Plus he's all natural now too.  Gotta respect that.

[arce1988]

 

[Pet shop boys]

more than HRT...

some ppl are delusionnal, despite serious health trouble still chasing the illusion.

Qft.


Wooossshhhhhhhhh

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Not at all.

Any bber above 8% bf shows this bloated face, more like a down's syndrome look. Irishmen get this look even below 8%.

Not if they are clean they don't. Show me a natural at 8ish% bodyfat with a bloated face? Flex in those photo's has a borderline moon face at well under 10%. Point being, he's nowhere near clean...

[kohl]

The "safe" range for an 18-year old is quite different than that of a 60-year old.  That being said teenagers top out at around 1200ng/dL which isn't far off from what I posted, so I'm not sure why you are taking issue with my statement.

LVH is very common in weightlifters/bodybuilders, both in natural and AAS-using bodybuilders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4079743
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9276165
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9778553

And these are just are just the first few studies that came up.  LVH is well-documented in all sorts of serious athletes, I'm not sure where you get your information from.

There you say it all! The AAS have nothing to do with it. Genetically predisposed people will develop LVH when they do sports intensively, wether they use AAS or not.

Still I believe that the benefits of doing sports outweighs the negative side of LVH, which can be controled and mastered if timely discovered.

[ProudVirgin69]

You originally said:

But heart enlargement? Give me break... A bodybuilding-style workout isn't intense enough for the heart to provoke hypertrophy. Cyclists who use roids and gh yes, but bodybuilders, come on!

So I provided evidence that yes, bodybuilding and strength-training does lead to LVH.  Adding AAS will generally compound the myopathy, but it will occur even without AAS.

[Bevo]

oh yeah blow out a kidney on lower doses than rc but better genetic

Yep and my bets are that Ronnie will outlive flex even with the abuse 

[Bevo]

hahaha some of u guys are killin me everytime..  more than hrt? u serious? we are talkin about flex wheeler here not some hollywood star or actor guy trains for more than 20 years and has one of the best genetics competed at the top level... if u really think flex wheeler would use more than hrt after his kidney problems u are a fuckin douchebag so what do u think how his stack looks like nowadays???  

Just as much proof u have of flex is on trt

Our guesses is that his usage is still above trt given he WAS a pro bber and the average bber regardless of their genetics take more than the average gym rat.

All these guys are so vain that they can't stand to look at themselves if lower the dosage

Remember flex still competed while his kidney was fucked, these guys are really messed up in the head

Jeez this site is becoming more and more like bbing.com  

[macos]

if u think he is on more shit than hrt so tell me what does his stack look like?

Pfcourse he is on a lot more than hrt.

[galeniko]

please consider that for ppl here trt means 750mg test weekly


i dont think hes on very much in the today pics, its not that much mass, its just perfect structure and some good mass on that.

but hes owhere near his old self

[Hulkotron]

[no one]

i'd have no problem wheeler given his response to anabolics is on a very low mg dose.

i also have no problem looking at those pics speculating hes also on gh.

[no one]

hahahahaha oh shit

[bebop396]

All the anti-aging doctors around the world juicing their patients (or what do you think they do?).

I don't have to prove anything, I'm not the one saying steroids ON THEIR OWN AND WHEN TAKEN WITH CARE are bad for the heart. If you are saying that, please YOU point me one, only one case of a death case with steroids as a MAIN CAUSE. Show me one study that proves unequivocally that simply taking steroids makes the heart grow to an alarming extent.

You are stupid.

[kohl]

You originally said:

So I provided evidence that yes, bodybuilding and strength-training does lead to LVH.  Adding AAS will generally compound the myopathy, but it will occur even without AAS.

I wasn't talking about people with genetic predisposition. Only they will develop LVH from any sports.

[kohl]

You are stupid.

You are negligible.

[arce1988]

 

[ProudVirgin69]

I wasn't talking about people with genetic predisposition. Only they will develop LVH from any sports.

Seems like you keep changing your stance every time someone presents evidence to the contrary.  

The studies that I posted found thickened ventricular walls in all athletes/weightlifters studied. n was around 60.  I'd say thats pretty strong evidence that LVH will be found in almost all serious athletes and bodybuilders.  This is well known in the medical community

 If you have evidence that shows otherwise, please post it, because it would be the first of its kind that i have seen.  I won't hold my breath though

[flinstones1]

 What I find funny is  Everyone is so concerned about the effects of testosterone and gh on the heart  I have news for you. Taking ugl gear from these ugl's made in some dirty ass trailor park with contaminated powders and generic gh from china will fuck you up 50 times quicker. And it's not even the fact that these powders are contaminated, too much/too little BA can have quite the negative effect on the human organism.

....Norma, schering, these are multi billion dollar companies made in billion dollar lab settings. Unless you have only used human grade products  in your lifetime I would not worry about the effects of anabolics on the heart, really should be the  last of your worries.

[bebop396]

You are negligible.

You are a gimmick...You either a pro bodybuilder, an amateur,  or some person from the boards too scared to post as their self...Give it up, steroids enlarge the heart...It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out...

[arce1988]

[Nicademus]

Not if they are clean they don't. Show me a natural at 8ish% bodyfat with a bloated face? Flex in those photo's has a borderline moon face at well under 10%. Point being, he's nowhere near clean...

Sorry man.  That's nowhere near "moon face".  

[Pet shop boys]

Oh Snap !




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[gib]

He looks very good there. Likely on low dosage test and GH.

[kohl]

Seems like you keep changing your stance every time someone presents evidence to the contrary.  

The studies that I posted found thickened ventricular walls in all athletes/weightlifters studied. n was around 60.  I'd say thats pretty strong evidence that LVH will be found in almost all serious athletes and bodybuilders.  This is well known in the medical community

 If you have evidence that shows otherwise, please post it, because it would be the first of its kind that i have seen.  I won't hold my breath though

What are you trying to prove? That everybody involved in serious sports will develop LVH? So what's your conclusion? Don't exercise anymore and sit in your couch?

What I'm saying (I hope you finally understand) is: 1. the health benefits of exercising outweighs the potential risks; 2. There is no direct relationship between AAS and LVH because (according to your own theory) it occurs in everyone who exercises, independent of sports or drug use.

Clear like that? Or do you want me to make a drawing with it?