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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 06:44:44 PM »
I think so - Governments need future tax payers to keep making lofty promises.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2013, 06:49:46 PM »
lol, govt doesnt want the taxes from the immigrants,they want more than that.

the economic elite pushes it bc cheap labour easy as.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2013, 06:51:26 PM »
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An aging Baby Boomer population and slower immigration combined for nearly stagnant U.S. population growth in 2013 as the total number of residents inched up even more slowly than the previous year.

Figures released Monday by the U.S. Census Bureau show that growth for the 12 months ending July 1 was 0.71%, or just under 2.3 million people. That's the slowest since 1937, according to Brookings Institution demographer William Frey, who called this year's growth "underwhelming."

In 2011-2012, the U.S. population grew at a slightly higher 0.75% rate.

The Census Bureau projects the nation's population on New Year's Day will be 317,297,938, an increase of 2,218,622, or 0.7%, from New Year's Day 2013.

Frey was expecting three states to show a burst of growth as the USA economy slowly improves, but Florida, Arizona and Nevada each averaged only about 1.2% to 1.3% growth.

Kenneth Johnson, a University of New Hampshire demographer, noted that Florida's population gain of 232,000 people is about even with that of the past two years but "still smaller than that during the 2000s, when Florida gained an average of 282,000 annually." Migration is key to maintaining Florida's population growth, he said, because the difference each year between births and deaths there is small.

The new figures aren't exactly surprising, analysts said. "This isn't the end of civilization as it might be characterized, but the Northeast and Midwest have essentially stalled out completely," said Robert Lang of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

Also: A long-awaited milestone also will have to wait another year: Florida was poised to surpass New York for the first time as the third most-populous state, after California and Texas, but it didn't happen. New York, which supplies many snowbird retirees to the Sunshine State, still has about 98,000 more residents. But Florida, the figures show, is growing more than three times as quickly.

"It'll probably be next year," Frey predicted.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2013, 06:51:33 PM »
The population decreasing seems like the logical step in an advanced society.  More specialization and mechanization decreases the need for a large labor force.  Adding more unskilled labor may have made sense sixty years ago but it doesn't now.
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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2013, 06:52:28 PM »
lol, govt doesnt want the taxes from the immigrants,they want more than that.

the economic elite pushes it bc cheap labour easy as.


Cheap labor, also helps assure a single party rule by basically influxing a voter base with promises of free monies.

They're trying to create a 1 party system and the republicans are getting the picture too late.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2013, 06:54:19 PM »
Cheap labor, also helps assure a single party rule by basically influxing a voter base with promises of free monies.

They're trying to create a 1 party system and the republicans are getting the picture too late.

Yes!  They have no idea of the long term consequences.
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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2013, 06:55:48 PM »
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Cheap labor, also helps assure a single party rule by basically influxing a voter base with promises of free monies.

They're trying to create a 1 party system and the republicans are getting the picture too late.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2013, 06:56:48 PM »
One of the things I don't understand about this argument, is, once the rich control all the wealth, do they not think the poor masses will revolt? I don't think there is sme world wide conspiracy for control over the world, I think it's just greedy people being shortsighted.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2013, 06:58:19 PM »
One of the things I don't understand about this argument, is, once the rich control all the wealth, do they not think the poor masses will revolt? I don't think there is sme world wide conspiracy for control over the world, I think it's just greedy people being shortsighted.

Most revolutionary movements arise from the middle class.  Destroy the middle class and you have no elite vanguard to tell the proles what to do.
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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2013, 07:02:00 PM »
Yes!  They have no idea of the long term consequences.
haha theyre smarter than that.they know full well,but dont care.

only relative short term money income.

someone else can clean up the mess.

the smallest earners dont pay much or any taxes.the govt wants them so they can justify administration jobs etc.and this will articficialy and fakely boost economy numbers

the economic elite wants cheap labour.this will inflate the companies stockmarket worth fakely, if they know what theyre doing.and they do know.

we the less educated are the suckers in this.

i dont care as long i have roof over head, food, heating, car, holyday and can take out girl to resterant and stuff.

if someones only goal is to make as much money as possible no matter what, they are already punished bad enough.

Most revolutionary movements arise from the middle class.  Destroy the middle class and you have no elite vanguard to tell the proles what to do.
haha you must be joking.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2013, 07:02:58 PM »
haha theyre smarter than that.they know full well,but dont care.

only relative short term money income.

someone else can clean up the mess.

the smallest earners dont pay much or any taxes.the govt wants them so they can justify administration jobs etc.and this will articficialy and fakely boost economy numbers

the economic elite wants cheap labour.this will inflate the companies stockmarket worth fakely, if they know what theyre doing.and they do know.

we the less educated are the suckers in this.

i dont care as long i have roof over head, food, heating, car, holyday and can take out girl to resterant and stuff.

if someones only goal is to make as much money as possible no matter what, they are already punished bad enough.
haha you must be joking.



Name one revolution started by the lower class?
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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2013, 07:04:10 PM »
Name one revolution started by the lower class?

Russian Revolution of 1908 I think?

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2013, 07:06:14 PM »
archer sorry but fuck all, i type this in caps lock for good measure FUCK ALL will come from the middle class.

so called middle class is the biggest loudmouths and complainers and lives in permenent fear about losing thier not realy satifysing existance.

fearless are the ones who havent got anything to lose.

haha @ revolution from middle class.


One of the things I don't understand about this argument, is, once the rich control all the wealth, do they not think the poor masses will revolt? I don't think there is sme world wide conspiracy for control over the world, I think it's just greedy people being shortsighted.
you havent read the neocons manifesto have you.

its hillarious when right wingers and conservatives thing the unemployement schemes and govt welfare are a leftist idea.

they understand very very well and have it all under perfect control, dont worry.
they are where they are bc theyre smarter, sharper, more ruthless.

if they werent there, theyd be serving long prison sentences.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2013, 07:06:51 PM »
Russian Revolution of 1908 I think?

I thought it was 1905, the Potemkin right?

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2013, 07:07:44 PM »
archer sorry but fuck all, i type this in caps lock for good measure FUCK ALL will come from the middle class.

so called middle class is the biggest loudmouths and complainers and lives in permenent fear about losing thier not realy satifysing existance.

fearless are the ones who havent got anything to lose.

haha @ revolution from middle class.

you havent read the neocons manifesto have you.

its hillarious when right wingers and conservatives thing the unemployement schemes and govt welfare are a leftist idea.

they understand very very well and have it all under perfect control, dont worry.
they are where they are bc theyre smarter, sharper, more ruthless.

if they werent there, theyd be serving long prison sentences.



The neo cons are leftists though.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2013, 07:09:08 PM »
I thought it was 1905, the Potemkin right?

Yeah, thought that started with poor workers getting machine gunned or something. I think Archer is right though.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2013, 07:11:30 PM »
Name one revolution started by the lower class?
lol.

name one started by middle class.

meanwhile, read about the french revolution,albeit this was bit random and all over the place.

or the russian one.

its not that simple in all cases, the american revolution was bit of all.

or india under british rule.or algeria under french that was nasty.

The neo cons are leftists though.
thats a very bold claim.theyre not lefties.

ofc if one is total libertarian minded,then they seem leftist in comparo.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2013, 07:13:20 PM »
Russian Revolution of 1908 I think?

Lenin strongly believed in a core group of elite party members who directed the revolution.  Lenins conception of revolutionary organization was a top-down, tightly centralist, and highly conspiratorial party of middle-class professional revolutionaries. Lenin had very little faith in the working class.
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2013, 07:15:33 PM »
lol.

name one started by middle class.

meanwhile, read about the french revolution,albeit this was bit random and all over the place.

or the russian one.

its not that simple in all cases, the american revolution was bit of all.

or india under british rule.or algeria under french that was nasty.
thats a very bold claim.theyre not lefties.

ofc if one is total libertarian minded,then they seem leftist in comparo.



The leadership and the provocatuers of revolutionary weren't the poor oppressed workers.  Napoleon was backed financially by the middle class elites.  He promised tariffs and loans to the middle class for their support.
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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2013, 07:21:27 PM »
ofc if one is total libertarian minded,then they seem leftist in comparo.

It's not that, neo conservatism is an off shoot of liberalism. They fool goofy conservatives, and even pose as conservatives, but they have a liberal ideology. American neoconservatives have nearly the exact same political outlook as liberals around the world.

The original neocons were self described liberals and socialists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

The term "neoconservative" was popularized in the United States during 1973 by Socialist leader Michael Harrington, who used the term to define Daniel Bell, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and Irving Kristol, whose ideologies differed from Harrington's.[7]

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2013, 07:35:38 PM »
lol.

name one started by middle class.

meanwhile, read about the french revolution,albeit this was bit random and all over the place.

or the russian one.

its not that simple in all cases, the american revolution was bit of all.

or india under british rule.or algeria under french that was nasty.
thats a very bold claim.theyre not lefties.

ofc if one is total libertarian minded,then they seem leftist in comparo.


Im pretty sure you're arguing with a history major, whos also a teacher brah.

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2013, 07:46:53 PM »
Lenin strongly believed in a core group of elite party members who directed the revolution.  Lenins conception of revolutionary organization was a top-down, tightly centralist, and highly conspiratorial party of middle-class professional revolutionaries. Lenin had very little faith in the working class.

cool, thanks for the info!

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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2013, 07:52:57 PM »
cool, thanks for the info!

Read Lenin's What must be done.  Oddly, it's a popular book among right wingers for its methods on originizing a political movement.  David Horowitz is a fan.
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Re: Is this why Immigration is pushed so hard by the "elite"?
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2013, 07:57:27 PM »
Read Lenin's What must be done.  Oddly, it's a popular book among right wingers for its methods on originizing a political movement.  David Horowitz is a fan.

Ever read "Mein Kampf"?