Author Topic: Muhammad Ali dodges 21 punches in 10 seconds (Read 21958 times)

GraniteCityDon · « **Reply #100 on:** January 05, 2014, 02:15:59 PM »

Ironically Ali came round and was better for it, went on to absolutely dominate the fight. But would he have recovered enough in regulation time to dominate in that fashion? its all speculation, hes called the best for a reason.

thebrink · « **Reply #101 on:** January 05, 2014, 05:15:31 PM »

Quote from: Shockwave on January 03, 2014, 06:32:56 PM

doesnt make him any less of a coward for ducking out by 'finding religion' while his brothers, sisters, and fellow Americans were out there doing their part fighting and dying.... the politics were irrelevant. .. citizens got called to do their duty, and they went, and many never returned home. Except him, he thought he was somehow special and wasnr responsible to do his part as a citizen when his number came up.

Imho he should have lost his citizenship and been deported.

He never would have even set foot in nam, they would have had him boxing in the Army or Marines.

dude may have been the best boxer in history but he was a piece of shit as a person and a coward imho.

/grandpa shockwave rant

blind honour.

Option D · « **Reply #102 on:** January 05, 2014, 07:44:43 PM »

Quote from: Shockwave on January 03, 2014, 11:19:57 AM

Utter "Muhammed Ali" around my grandfather and be prepared to get lectured about that coward ass draft dodging piece of shit Cacsius clay, and never to mention ali around him again. (My grandfather is a veteran of WWII, korea and Vietnam, and he volunteered at 17..) he has no love for Ali. He hates him with a violent passion for bitching out on his duty as an American citizen.

I totally understand your grandfathers position on this. My Grandfather was in WWII my father did 3 tours in Nam and my Brother is on his 19th year of service.

My angle is this. Many Black men went off to war faught bravely and died and came back to be hanged by the people they protected...IN THEIR DRESS BLUES...by people that didnt fight. And Ali understood that.. He understood that he could go off to war get his ass blowed off and still have to sit in the colored section of a restaurant and be called BOY by men younger than him that never served simply because of the color of his skin...These are all facts, and actual scenarios that have happened to vets coming home from fighting. So thought he might have been wrong in your eyes. There is something to be said about a man that comes to Self-actualization and says "hey why should i risk my life for a country that that says i aint good for shit but dying in a war"

The True Adonis · « **Reply #103 on:** January 05, 2014, 07:49:19 PM »

The government should NOT have the final say so in your life and what wars you should be FORCED to fight.

Option D · « **Reply #104 on:** January 05, 2014, 07:53:22 PM »

Now about this Ali Tyson shit...

Lennox Lewis' dimensions were comparable to Alis in terms of reach with emphasis on that left Jab.

Lennox was able to keep Tyson at bay. A prime Ali would have been able to beat a prime pit bull Tyson by moving and keeping tyson away with that long jab. And remember Ali could put a right cross behind that quick ass jab as well.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #105 on:** January 05, 2014, 09:39:17 PM »

Ali would have erased Tyson

Like nobody ever thought to work Alis body...LOLOL.

Dude was impervious to pain...it was unreal

che · « **Reply #106 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:52:23 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 05, 2014, 07:53:22 PM

.

Lennox Lewis' dimensions were comparable to Alis

Not even close

Option D · « **Reply #107 on:** January 06, 2014, 08:22:30 AM »

Quote from: che on January 06, 2014, 06:52:23 AM

Not even close

In terms of hight and reach. Vs Tyson they both had 10" reach advantage over Tyson. They were both tall heavyweights.

che · « **Reply #108 on:** January 06, 2014, 08:27:00 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 06, 2014, 08:22:30 AM

In terms of hight and reach. Vs Tyson they both had 10" reach advantage over Tyson. They were both tall heavyweights.

Not even close

Option D · « **Reply #109 on:** January 06, 2014, 08:28:19 AM »

Quote from: che on January 06, 2014, 08:27:00 AM

Not even close

che · « **Reply #110 on:** January 06, 2014, 08:31:48 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 06, 2014, 08:28:19 AM

Option D · « **Reply #111 on:** January 06, 2014, 09:15:58 AM »

Quote from: che on January 06, 2014, 08:31:48 AM

not even close

polychronopolous · « **Reply #112 on:** January 06, 2014, 05:54:22 PM »

Top 3 Heavyweights of the past 80 years or so.

Ali, Louis and Lewis.

che · « **Reply #113 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:00:57 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on January 06, 2014, 05:54:22 PM

Top 3 Heavyweights of the past 80 years or so.

Ali, Louis and Lewis.

Not even close

The True Adonis · « **Reply #114 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:27:25 PM »

Rocky Marciano was the greatest Heavyweight in the past 80 years.

thebrink · « **Reply #115 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:27:34 PM »

Quote from: che on January 06, 2014, 06:00:57 PM

Not even close

go ahead, post your list of mexican flyweights who are superior

The True Adonis · « **Reply #116 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:28:45 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on January 06, 2014, 05:54:22 PM

Top 3 Heavyweights of the past 80 years or so.

Ali, Louis and Lewis.

Joe Louis getting knocked out by Marciano.

The Ugly · « **Reply #117 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:31:10 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on January 06, 2014, 06:27:25 PM

Rocky Marciano was the greatest Heavyweight in the past 80 years.

Ha. There's a great scene in Coming to America about this.

polychronopolous · « **Reply #118 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:32:54 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on January 06, 2014, 06:28:45 PM

Joe Louis getting knocked out by Marciano.

That was a great shot no doubt about it.

I had Marciano right on the outside of my top 3.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #119 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:33:27 PM »

My grandfathers best friend in New York was Jack Dempsey. He would fly down and do all kinds of promotional events from him. I have many pictures and telegrams and other memorabilia from Dempsey. I would have to rank Jack Dempsey as one of the greatest of all time as well.

polychronopolous · « **Reply #120 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:38:08 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on January 06, 2014, 06:33:27 PM

My grandfathers best friend in New York was Jack Dempsey. He would fly down and do all kinds of promotional events from him. I have many pictures and telegrams and other memorabilia from Dempsey. I would have to rank Jack Dempsey as one of the greatest of all time as well.

Dempsey and Ruth were like Gods back in the 20s.

Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman for the 2nd tier and THEN you start talking about the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchkos, Liston in that 3rd tier

The Ugly · « **Reply #121 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:43:23 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on January 06, 2014, 06:38:08 PM

Dempsey and Ruth were like Gods back in the 20s.

Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman for the 2nd tier and THEN you start talking about the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchkos, Liston in that 3rd tier

Holmes, though, really? Man, his fights were boring. Did he face legit HWs like Ali did?

polychronopolous · « **Reply #122 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:45:19 PM »

Quote from: The Ugly on January 06, 2014, 06:43:23 PM

Holmes, though, really? Man, his fights were boring. Did he face legit HWs like Ali did?

Bro he went something like 48 and 0 in one stretch.

Helluva streak.

The Ugly · « **Reply #123 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:50:55 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on January 06, 2014, 06:45:19 PM

Bro he went something like 48 and 0 in one stretch.

Helluva streak.

I know, he was the man of my time. But wasn't he just competing in a weak era? I can't imagine a prime Ali having any trouble with Larry.

polychronopolous · « **Reply #124 on:** January 06, 2014, 07:10:31 PM »

Quote from: The Ugly on January 06, 2014, 06:50:55 PM

I know, he was the man of my time. But wasn't he just competing in a weak era? I can't imagine a prime Ali having any trouble with Larry.

Ali handles him fairly easily.

Tier 1 - Ali, Louis, Lewis

Tier 2 - Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Holmes, Foreman

Tier 3 you start getting into the Fraziers, Tyson's, Klitchskos, Listons, Holyfields

With a special shoutout to the old timey fighters like John L Sullivan, James Jeffries and Jack Johnson