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The True Adonis

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I like it when "republicans" and "conservatives" try to quote George Orwell when he was a die hard Socialist.

I also like it when they pledge the allegiance to the flag, which was written by Francis Bellamy, a rabid and devout Socialist. (fun fact, the original Pledge as he wrote it for the 1892 World`s Fair, had no mention of god.  That was added by congress later in the 1950s during the "Red Scare".  Another fun fact, the pledge was not meant just for Americans, but for any school children of any nation of any "flag".)


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I think you've made your point with Orwell. Are you promoting socialism now, after poo-pooing taxes?

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Exactly, we agree.  It's a collaborative effort and everyone made some contribution.  

And we have a civic duty to direct society to foster man's natural goodness, rather than exploit and abuse him until he becomes parasitic or irretrievably cynical.
I don't believe in man's "natural goodness".  That's a moral argument that assumes a static "good" that can be identified and applied universally.  Since the dawn of time the concepts of 'good/bad/right/wrong' have changed as new discoveries were made and technology advanced.  To assume that current definitions of 'goodness' won't change in the future is naïve.

Instead, I believe in man's will to power and the natural law to apply that will on this earth.  I believe 'civic duty' is a noble concept though I see it as the substitution of religious morality to the masses that coincidentally rose as the power of the church declined.
 
However, as long as these concepts are adhered to on a voluntary basis I have no qualms but as soon as any 'system of thought' is placed on a pedestal under the cover as what's 'best for all' then a system of coercion will be designed to enforce it and its legitimacy is destroyed.

The most cogent example still defining human purpose is the declaration that all men have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  That they have a right to speak their minds, write down these thoughts, to defend their lives and property, to a fair and impartial judicial processes, to be free of the tyranny of religious institutions and standing armies,  to be free from unusual and cruel punishment and to retain (as a free man) all other rights not afforded here. 

I am not my brother's keeper until I 'choose' to be.

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I think you've made your point with Orwell. Are you promoting socialism now, after poo-pooing taxes?
I do consider myself a Socialist which is why I support a true Socialist Tax Plan and absolutely NO INCOME TAX.  I personally think there should be a National Sales tax ON ALL NEW items. EVERYTHING IS TAXED! with the exception of food and housing.
Used items should also be tax free.

Changing the nation from a spending to a savings oriented nation will not only reward quality, but will promote correct conservatism as it is meant to be practiced.

This way, people will have total control of every dollar they make and will be in total control of their finance.

Everybody pays the same equally. (true Socialism)

We can be as regressive and as progressive as we like with a National Sales Tax as the world economy waxes and wanes.  20 percent is the agreed upon amount by all Fair Tax/National Sales Tax economists.  

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I also believe in a National Sales Tax that allows you to select a box after each purchase to where a certain percentage of your tax dollars would go.  Defense, Welfare, Corporate Welfare, Education, Infrastructure, Etc... Etc...

Give the people at least some direct control over where the money goes.

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Here you go, this is from Mike Gravel, former Democratic Senator who ended the military draft, read the Pentagon Papers, Democratic Candidate for President and Libertarian Candidate for President.


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Can't watch videos on my iPad, but I get the picture. You're an interesting dude, Adam, I'll give you that.

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I don't believe in man's "natural goodness".   That's a moral argument that assumes a static "good" that can be identified and applied universally.  Since the dawn of time the concepts of 'good/bad/right/wrong' have changed as new discoveries were made and technology advanced.  To assume that current definitions of 'goodness' won't change in the future is naïve.

Instead, I believe in man's will to power and the natural law to apply that will on this earth.  I believe 'civic duty' is a noble concept though I see it as the substitution of religious morality to the masses that coincidentally rose as the power of the church declined.
  
However, as long as these concepts are adhered to on a voluntary basis I have no qualms but as soon as any 'system of thought' is placed on a pedestal under the cover as what's 'best for all' then a system of coercion will be designed to enforce it and its legitimacy is destroyed.

The most cogent example still defining human purpose is the declaration that all men have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  That they have a right to speak their minds, write down these thoughts, to defend their lives and property, to a fair and impartial judicial processes, to be free of the tyranny of religious institutions and standing armies,  to be free from unusual and cruel punishment and to retain (as a free man) all other rights not afforded here.  

I am not my brother's keeper until I 'choose' to be.

I still do, as a potential that will develop in the right circumstances rather than be given up on as a hopeless cause because it's not ever present.  I like to think those circumstances are what old Tom was aiming for.

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The strong become leftists when they fall on hard times.

The weak turn to the right when they do well.

People believe in whatever is beneficial for them at the time. People who don't believe in handouts
do everything possible to milk whatever current system for their benefit, they don't give a shit if they steal someone elses money. Very few true idealists out there.

In the end it doesn't matter, it all turns to shit. And death. :D

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The strong eats the fresh of the weak.
Its natural and golden rule.
Just you cant handle the truth

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The strong eats the fresh of the weak.
Its natural and golden rule.
Just you cant handle the truth

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Orwell was a socialist but I doubt he would be pleased with the concept of political correctness. Political correctness is a form of thought control and language manipulation.
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Orwell was a socialist but I doubt he would be pleased with the concept of political correctness. Political correctness is a form of thought control and language manipulation.

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Here you go, this is from Mike Gravel, former Democratic Senator who ended the military draft,


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Speaking as a 25yr old american male, I'm 99% sure I'm registered in the Selective Service System and will be so until i'm 26, by law.

Hold on let me re-check.

Yep, still registered by law (again).


Cute try though. Please continue.

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So basically if your perfectly fit, with no health problems and no experience with true adversity your more likely to believe in a do it yourself attitude what a surprise.


This kind of emotional reasoning is fucking retarded.

We live in a mixed economy deal with it,  no matter how right  wing or left wing a country is your taxes and services provided are gonna be relatively equal when you factor in the geographic distribution in that country.

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Speaking as a 25yr old american male, I'm 99% sure I'm registered in the Selective Service System and will be so until i'm 26, by law.

Hold on let me re-check.

Yep, still registered by law (again).


Cute try though. Please continue.

The draft is not in effect. Yes... it can be "re-instated", but it is currently not in effect.

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The draft is not in effect. Yes... it can be "re-instated", but it is currently not in effect.


You don't say.

What is your point again?

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Your comment, TA, was that both parties were moving further right, but you've only provided examples of how the right has become more moderate.
what about the koch party?

they have so,me funny ideas ;D
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You don't say.

What is your point again?
You=Pwned

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The strong become leftists when they fall on hard times.

The weak turn to the right when they do well.

People believe in whatever is beneficial for them at the time. People who don't believe in handouts
do everything possible to milk whatever current system for their benefit, they don't give a shit if they steal someone elses money. Very few true idealists out there.

In the end it doesn't matter, it all turns to shit. And death. :D
this sums it all up nicely.

see ayn rand :D
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Totally. It's all good though because the draft was abolished!

LOL 

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George Orwell was a Socialist.  Hope this helps.  (doubt that it will)

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/03/01/196347/george-orwell-was-a-socialist/

"In my opinion, nothing has contributed so much to the corruption of the original idea of socialism as the belief that Russia is a socialist country and that every act of its rulers must be excused, if not imitated. And so for the last ten years, I have been convinced that the destruction of the Soviet myth was essential if we wanted a revival of the socialist movement. "- George Orwell

As a SOCIALIST, George Orwell considered that the first duty of a socialist is to fight totalitarianism, which means in practice “to denounce the Soviet myth, for there is not much difference between Fascism and Stalinism.

1984 was a Pro-Socialist anti Totalitarianism book.   I guess that fact escapes you as well.

consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds - Emerson