getting sick in america

[galeniko]

usa has no1 medical system

other failed economies should stop and redo thier system based on usa success

usa standard of living by far #1

ar eyou retarded or taking the piss?

standard of living number 1?haha where and for who?in detroit?

number 1 medical system haha.

[Bear232]

"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits.  "


That is a crock of shit,  I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony.  Doctors get fucked over here in the USA.  Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit.  When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.


What the other Countries are doing is failing.  The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system.  The tax base is diminishing.

[polychronopolous]

"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits.  "


That is a crock of shit,  I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony.  Doctors get fucked over here in the USA.  Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit.  When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.


What the other Countries are doing is failing.  The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system.  The tax base is diminishing.

Bear232, throughout the years on getbig you have always brought to the table the truest, most thought provoking posts on a consistent basis.

Spot on as usual.

[Voice of Doom]

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits.  "

That is a crock of shit,  I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony.  Doctors get fucked over here in the USA.  Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit.  When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.

With all due respect, the reason you do not see the big picture is you are obviously still one of the little players.  Doing a bit of surgery here and there, not able to talk to you buddy surgeons etc.  Are you not on the payroll of a hospital ? Are you a freelance surgeon? How does that work?
 
Collusive Oligopolistic behaviour is absolutely a felony. But it absolutely goes on, especially in utility companies, banks, insurance companies  etc. in fact every industry which has the financial muscle to have a political advantage gets away with it.
You will learn this as you gain experience in the world and then you may even become one of those you seek to belittle at the moment.

 

[James28]

Galenko,

It's not hard to get a dentist appointment in London at all. I woke up one Sunday morning at 4am with my mouth on fire. And I mean pain like I can't describe. I took lifethreatening amounts of pain pills and it didn't help at all. By 6am I've contacted the NHS Trust who got me a dentist appointment for, wait for it,

6:30am about 3 miles from my house ...

I was diagnosed with needing a root canal with the pain coming from an absess tha formed. And here's the good thing, because there were blood (from popping the absess), treatment was free. That took the pain away instantly. Got my treatment the bed day and crown two weeks later. All free. White crown too

[Ropo]

Galenko,

It's not hard to get a dentist appointment in London at all. I woke up one Sunday morning at 4am with my mouth on fire. And I mean pain like I can't describe. I took lifethreatening amounts of pain pills and it didn't help at all. By 6am I've contacted the NHS Trust who got me a dentist appointment for, wait for it,

6:30am about 3 miles from my house ...

I was diagnosed with needing a root canal with the pain coming from an absess tha formed. And here's the good thing, because there were blood (from popping the absess), treatment was free. That took the pain away instantly. Got my treatment the bed day and crown two weeks later. All free. White crown too

Well, you save 1000$ just because you live in communist Great Britain  

[Ropo]

"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits.  "


That is a crock of shit,  I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony.  Doctors get fucked over here in the USA.  Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit.  When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.


What the other Countries are doing is failing.  The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system.  The tax base is diminishing.

Dream on, stupid. Problems in the Eurozone is coming from the same source than many other problems, because European countries has been giving loans to US banks, which can't pay back. That is the main reason of the economic depression in Eurozone. Just pay back those hundreds of billions, and we can drop the taxes 10 -15% in every European country. Your state is in debt up to it's eyeballs, and where do you think all that wasted money has come? From of outer space? It is the money which other countries has lent to USA, and which they never get back, because 80% of those billions got stolen by your capitalist elite. In fact, if we wouldn't have lent those billions to USA, you poor bastards will be starving at the moment, so have some respect  

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

It is the money which other countries has lent to USA, and which they never get back, because 80% of those billions got stolen by your capitalist elite. In fact, if we wouldn't have lent those billions to USA, you poor bastards will be starving at the moment, so have some respect  

Well said. It is the western countries and the china which has lent the money to the yanks to allow them to live beyond their means for years.
It's time this news was released to them.  Perhaps we will see some semblance of humbleness from them now.

[pedro01]

"The trouble with the USA is that doctors, insurance companies, hospitals and drug companies are allowed to act as collusive oligopolies and make unregulated excess profits.  "


That is a crock of shit,  I can't even phone my buddy down the road and ask what he charges...that is collusion and is a felony.  Doctors get fucked over here in the USA.  Insurance companies are cleaning house, hospitals are by and large cutting services and not making much profit.  When i do a surgery, I don't even collect that much, usually less than 8-10% of what the hospital collects.


What the other Countries are doing is failing.  The Eurozone countries will not be able to provide the services they do without raising more in taxes, but their populations are getting so old and are near the end of their careers, they soon will be dipping into the system.  The tax base is diminishing.

If you want to look at a country where the social programs are causing the country to fail - what about the US? What about your social security commitments amongst other things that have created your record breaking debt?

Fact is - you guys are only getting away with it right now because of your unique position of being in control of what is the de facto worlds currency. If that ever changes (and if it does, it will because you abused that privilege), then the US is bust.

So - whilst there are rising commitments in countries with socialized healthcare, it is a bit silly for you to say this is the cause of the impending doom and to somehow forget that the US is in a much worse position without socialized healthcare.

[pedro01]

Not forgetting of course that he US government spends more per head on healthcare than those European countries with socialized healthcare



You guys should not be telling Europeans they have a poor system, you should be asking your government why they spend more but provide less than in Europe.

[Cleanest Natural]

Bottom line is, you cannot afford getting sick in US.

[loco]

Venezuela has socialized, free health care for all.  Yay!   

Doctors say Venezuela's health care in collapse

http://news.yahoo.com/doctors-venezuelas-health-care-collapse-051102447.html


This Oct. 23, 2013 photo shows a storage room at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions.


In this Oct. 23, 2013 photo, a doctor pulls up a mattress cover to show the condition of a hospital bed's cushion, at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions


This Oct 30, 2013 photo shows the inside of a damaged refrigerated storage area at the blood bank in Caracas, Venezuela. A year ago, the blood bank was open for 12 hours every day. Now, it only takes donations on weekday mornings. Its funding for January and half of February didn’t arrive until September.


This Oct 23, 2013 photo shows a patient at rest at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls.

[The True Adonis]

Venezuela has socialized, free health care for all.  Yay!   

Doctors say Venezuela's health care in collapse

http://news.yahoo.com/doctors-venezuelas-health-care-collapse-051102447.html


This Oct. 23, 2013 photo shows a storage room at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions.


In this Oct. 23, 2013 photo, a doctor pulls up a mattress cover to show the condition of a hospital bed's cushion, at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls. Almost everything needed to mend and heal is in critically short supply: the needles, syringes and paraffin used in biopsies to diagnose cancer; the drugs to treat it; operating room equipment; X-ray film and imaging paper; blood and the reagents needed so it can be used for transfusions


This Oct 30, 2013 photo shows the inside of a damaged refrigerated storage area at the blood bank in Caracas, Venezuela. A year ago, the blood bank was open for 12 hours every day. Now, it only takes donations on weekday mornings. Its funding for January and half of February didn’t arrive until September.


This Oct 23, 2013 photo shows a patient at rest at the Central Hospital in Maracay,Venezuela. Legions of ailing Venezuelans are being neglected by a national health care system that doctors say is now collapsing after months of steady deterioration caused by funding shortfalls, numbing inflation and currency controls.

Now show some of the European Countries.

[The True Adonis]

Healthcare in Tanzania.  Similar to what we have in the United States and a model the Republicans want to emulate.


Health care in Tanzania is available depending on one's income and accessibility. People in urban areas have better access to private and public medical facilities.

[The True Adonis]

Tanzania has the best Capitalistic Healthcare system in the world.  You get what you pay for.  True Capitalism.  Republican medicine at its finest.

[Ropo]

Not forgetting of course that he US government spends more per head on healthcare than those European countries with socialized healthcare



You guys should not be telling Europeans they have a poor system, you should be asking your government why they spend more but provide less than in Europe.

And what will USA get with that money? There is Norway in the top of the list, so let's compare US to that with WHO statistic:

I skip the population figures, so first we see that Gross national income per capita (PPP international $) is 61,460 in Norway, and 48,820 in USA.
 
Life expectancy at birth m/f (years) 79/83 in Norway, and  76/81 in USA.

Probability of dying under five (per 1 000 live births) 3 in Norway, and 7 in USA.

Probability of dying between 15 and 60 years m/f (per 1 000 population) 77/49 in Norway, and 131/77 in the USA.

Total expenditure on health per capita (Intl $, 2011) 5,674 in Norway, and 8,608 in USA
 
Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (2011) 9.1 in Norway, and 17.9 in Good Ol' U.S. of A.

It seem to me that they are fucked in every which way it is possible. Those codfish eaters born healthier, got more income, live in better health and they die older than Americans  

[loco]

Now show some of the European Countries.

Why?  How will that negate Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system?  I haven't lived in any European countries.

[loco]

Healthcare in Tanzania.  Similar to what we have in the United States and a model the Republicans want to emulate.

Not sure if you posted this to contrast my post about Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system.  But you can't compare some poor, African country with Venezuela, one of the world's leading exporters of oil with the largest oil reserves.

[The True Adonis]

Not sure if you posted this to contrast my post about Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system.  But you can't compare some poor, African country with Venezuela, one of the world's leading exporters of oil with the largest oil reserves.

Are you saying that Venezuela, despite the photo you posted, is a Socialized paradise? 


Why don`t you like the Tanzanian healthcare system?  Its solely based on how much money you have? 

[bradistani]

Healthcare in Tanzania.  Similar to what we have in the United States and a model the Republicans want to emulate.


Health care in Tanzania is available depending on one's income and accessibility. People in urban areas have better access to private and public medical facilities.

looks like your typical hospital ward in an enriched part of the uk

[CalvinH]

Not sure if you posted this to contrast my post about Venezuela's collapsing, socialized, free health care system.  But you can't compare some poor, African country with Venezuela, one of the world's leading exporters of oil with the largest oil reserves.

That treats it's people like shit. power outages, milk shortages...all just normal occurrence's.

[loco]

Are you saying that Venezuela, despite the photo you posted, is a Socialized paradise? 


Why don`t you like the Tanzanian healthcare system?  Its solely based on how much money you have? 

Not sure what you mean here.  Sarcasm I guess.   

[loco]

That treats it's people like shit. power outages, milk shortages...all just normal occurrence's.

Yup, agreed.  But Venezuelans enjoy free, socialized health care.  Yay!   

[mik1111]

I can't understand why some americans here fight to recognize what is obvious to the rest: they're being mugged every time they require medical assistance.
Anyone in the field will tell you there has to be a giant profit if you're paying those figures for the most simple operation. Even in our "socialist" countries we have private hospitals and it costs nowhere near.

Is it communist (lol) if you pay the fair value? only if you want it to be...