Online or local sources?

[OTHstrong]

If something goes wrong with the source and you need to get your money back and they ask for your license...then what?

you mean at western union? well at this point there has been no mention of product or anything, they wouldn`t know what you were buying, so you would be safe anyway

[whitewidow]

When I first started ordering from overseas and wiring money , the site would always say the success rate was like 99% and that is a very close analysis if you are dealing with a good shipper and they do not ship out of sketch spots. I have def ordered way over 100 packs from overseas some very big orders and some very small and I figure I have ordered around 160 time from overseas and i have seriously only have had 5-6 seizures. I never had any control deliverys but like I said i got that damn 6 page letter about 5-6 times and everytime I faxed the copy to my source and got a re-ship and the re-ship made it. 5-6 seizures out of 160 packs is not bad at all that is definately in the mid 90% range.

As a buyer it is nice to know where the pack is coming from because customs is real alert on thos packs that come from Alin, Alin has alot of seizures so stay away from him not saying he is a bad guy just that whole areais flagged. I personally remember there was a stretch of like 1-2 months where Aling could not get anything past customs and I think he had to switch where the packs got mailed from. any sources who have been in the game that long probably customs knows about the operation and watches packs coming from that area. Same thing has happened to a few other sources.

I love ordering from guys who have a nice domestic set-up bit it is always just decent to poor UGL these days. Some customers are very happy with those slapstick UGL's but those are customers who have not been around since back in the day when you could get great QV,Brovell,TTokyo, Animal Power gear for very cheap 25$ for 10ml for Test products not bad at all but nowasyas people pay 50$ for test products that are not nearly as good and look real cheap looking, of course looks mean shit, but it is nice to have a good looking product as well as have the product be very good quality as well.

[OTHstrong]

160+ deliveries?! I take it u have absolutely zero concern of being pinched?

why would he be, they take your package = no big deal, I mean only way you are in trouble is if you admit to it being yours. A thousand dollar orders=no investigation. 10 000 dollar orders=playing with fire.

[OTHstrong]

It's not that simple. Possession alone of a relatively small amount could be a felony, in some cases. If they have electronic evidence connecting u to a source (this could happen relatively easily if your source is compromised) it could be sufficient probable cause to obtain a search warrant. Once that happens, they just wait until u take delivery and then move in. It doesn't even have to be a "controlled delivery" under these circumstances.

Not saying this is likely, but it could happen. It's more likely if u are doing other things that would warrant LE's attention.

but it does not happen, spitting on the side walk and crossing the street are also covered under law but it doesn't work that way. They do not care about people ordering for personal use, they are after dealers

[dustin]

It's not that simple. Possession alone of a relatively small amount could be a felony, in some cases. If they have electronic evidence connecting u to a source (this could happen relatively easily if your source is compromised) it could be sufficient probable cause to obtain a search warrant. Once that happens, they just wait until u take delivery and then move in. It doesn't even have to be a "controlled delivery" under these circumstances.

Not saying this is likely, but it could happen. It's more likely if u are doing other things that would warrant LE's attention.

We live in Canada. Unless you're importing raws, you can import hundreds of packages willy nilly. I know many people who've run the bigger UGLs in Canada and they've very laid back about things. Importing tons and tons of packages all the time with no problems at all. I'm not saying you wouldn't get busted at some point, but he wouldn't be the only person doing that.

[OTHstrong]

We live in Canada. Unless you're importing raws, you can import hundreds of packages willy nilly. I know many people who've run the bigger UGLs in Canada and they've very laid back about things. Importing tons and tons of packages all the time with no problems at all. I'm not saying you wouldn't get busted at some point, but he wouldn't be the only person doing that.

oh fuck, the Canadians custom do not fuck around with raws, hell no, that shit is crazy.

My friend got a package opened with raws and they came to the address where it was being delivered to and confiscated all the computers in the house, lol but they got nothing cause the address had nothing to do with anything.

[dustin]

oh fuck, the Canadians custom do not fuck around with raws, hell no, that shit is crazy.

My friend got a package opened with raws and they came to the address where it was being delivered to and confiscated all the computers in the house, lol but they got nothing cause the address had nothing to do with anything.

You import raws and you're doing time. I'm pretty sure they know these packages are getting across. I've received dozens and dozens of packages, but would never dare to import raws. I've only seen a few guys have them shipped and there were very swift arrests. But on the other hand, you can import literally hundreds of gear packages with no problem at all.

When people ask "why don't you brew your own", the reason is jail time. I can keep a dozen or two vials for personal stash at home. But a powder could easily get me in hot water. I know tons of RCMP members who juice hard and they say that gear is very low on the scheduling list. It's only when you have APIs that you get in trouble. That means conspiracy to distribute and all sorts of other charges that can be bumped up to a federal jurisdiction. Stick with vials. It'll cost more, but think of how shitty it'd be to end up in jail or having your home repossessed because it could be linked to a proceed from crime. Not worth it at all. Saw a dude get his home taken away and it was from his legit day time job. He must have cried for months on end...

[LurkerNoMore]

why would he be, they take your package = no big deal, I mean only way you are in trouble is if you admit to it being yours. A thousand dollar orders=no investigation. 10 000 dollar orders=playing with fire.

Actually that is a bit incorrect.  Once they may do that.  But multiple seizures going to the same address?  Uh-uh!  If it doesn't result in anything it isn't because they just laughed and threw the box in the detainment room.  Most likely the reason that nothing happen is because they kicked it over to the local po-pos to see if they wanted to do anything with it and the local LE didn't think it would result in anything special.  Most LE don't give a shit about roids and gear users.  If they are going to nail you for roids it is because of three reasons :

1  - recs are involved
2 - guns are involved
3 - there is someone else they want to get their hands on

Big orders for raws... they know there is something more going on there and will bust that simply because they know they have enough charges to actually make it stick.  Unlike personal use where they spend all that time just for the defendant to get mild probation, with a pack of raws they already got possesion, distribution, manufacturing, and other IRS related charges (tax evasion, money laundering, etc..) right there.  A bust resulting in charges and convictions that high is great brownie points for someone in the force looking to move up the ladder. 

[LurkerNoMore]

Oh and if you using your computer to anything that your country or state may find illegal without using a small Bolt Flash Drive with mojo pack installed on it for a self contained portable encrypted mini OS, then you are crazy.  You are leaving a trail behind.  With the Bolt drive you do all your nefarious needs on that and if shit hits the fan you simply destroy the small USB drive and everything you have done on it is gone.  Forever.  Even if they snag your computer, they won't find shit but your bearded tranny porn on it.

[OTHstrong]

Actually that is a bit incorrect.  Once they may do that.  But multiple seizures going to the same address?  Uh-uh!  If it doesn't result in anything it isn't because they just laughed and threw the box in the detainment room.  Most likely the reason that nothing happen is because they kicked it over to the local po-pos to see if they wanted to do anything with it and the local LE didn't think it would result in anything special.  Most LE don't give a shit about roids and gear users.  If they are going to nail you for roids it is because of three reasons :

1  - recs are involved
2 - guns are involved
3 - there is someone else they want to get their hands on

Big orders for raws... they know there is something more going on there and will bust that simply because they know they have enough charges to actually make it stick.  Unlike personal use where they spend all that time just for the defendant to get mild probation, with a pack of raws they already got possesion, distribution, manufacturing, and other IRS related charges (tax evasion, money laundering, etc..) right there.  A bust resulting in charges and convictions that high is great brownie points for someone in the force looking to move up the ladder. 

pardon my ignorance and please do not feel insulted for this but only a complete retarded imbecile moran without a brain will use the same address again, lmao @ anything going threw once that address has been flagged, this is fucken hilarious.

[_aj_]

Tell me more about these "forwarding services"...

[randy841]

this^^^ also what WW said, I have had similar experiences to his with generous ''make it right'' type attitudes online.

Some key points to consider,
1. do not take a single person's word for it on online sources, do your own research and look for reviews on both products and source and 10 reviews means shit, we are talking 100's of them, don't be lazy.

2. rep is everything

3. never use your own address, come on guys be safe, should be common sense.

Now when you buy locally there are less things to worry about and chance are you will pay more but it is convenient and ideal and probably less hassles, so both have there advantages.

either way you still have to take precaution.

Canada post - requires photo idea

For a P.O. Box

What works - UPS? Fed Ex?

[OTHstrong]

Canada post - requires photo idea

For a P.O. Box

What works - UPS? Fed Ex?

I was thinking more along the lines of a friends address, he can play dumb and since he is not associated with juice he would not have any information on his computing devices and not to mention he would not be keeping juice there, hence zero risk, and i mean ZERO

[_aj_]

I was thinking more along the lines of a friends address, he can play dumb and since he is not associated with juice he would not have any information on his computing devices and not to mention he would not be keeping juice there, hence zero risk, and i mean ZERO

That would be one heck of a friend.

[OTHstrong]

That would be one heck of a friend.

why? there is no risk involved at all, zero, all my friends take my packages (only a couple per year) and do not give 2 shits, these are law abiding citizens but they do not care because in reality they have no control over a package coming to there house, nobody does. in fact I can send you a package right now without you even knowing, so how is that a crime.

It is not and the worse that happens is the package gets thrown out and he gets a letter, big deal. This is how the game is played, I have observed this for A DECADE, i HAVE YET TO SEE ANYONE IN TEN YEARS GET NABBED ON ACCOUNT OF PERSONAL USE, AS FOR THE DRUG DEALERS, WELL FUCK IT, THEY ARE DEALING IT SO THEY DESERVE WHAT EVER HAPPENS.

I only order personal use and do not deal and I do not break the law at all, not even when it comes to taxes so why worry, over gear use, don't deal it and things should be OK in the long run.

[Borracho]

I would only get a package sent to my grandma's if it was from another country and had to go through customs. Otherwise, I don't see the point in being all paranoid about a little bit of gear for personal use.

[phreak]

Good to live in Holland and not have to worry about that shit. I can just use unencrypted mail, real name and address. At worst the package would be confiscated -- but this has never happened yet.