Coverage Expansion Fail: Less Than 1/3 Of Obamacare Exchange Enrollees....

[tonymctones]

Were Previously Uninsured

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/01/18/coverage-expansion-fail-less-than-one-third-of-obamacare-exchange-enrollees-were-previously-uninsured/?partner=yahootix

65-89% of Obamacare exchanges enrollees were previously insured

The latest reporting on this topic comes from Christopher Weaver and Anna Wilde Mathews of the Wall Street Journal. They cite several industry surveys on the coverage history of those signing up for insurance on the Obamacare exchanges. The first, from McKinsey & Co., indicates that “only 11 percent of consumers who bought new coverage under the law were previously uninsured.” McKinsey surveyed 4,563 individuals “thought to be eligible for the health-law marketplaces,” of which 389 had enrolled in exchange-based plans.

Of those that didn’t sign up for Obamacare-based coverage, 52 percent stated that “affordability” was their biggest complaint with the exchanges’ plan offerings. Only 30 percent cited “technical challenges in buying the plans.”


At the end of the day, for all of the rhetoric and promises about what Obamacare would achieve, the health law’s most ardent supporters have stuck to their guns because of one thing: coverage expansion. But new data suggests that Obamacare may fail even to achieve this goal. Instead of expanding coverage to those without it, Obamacare is replacing the pre-existing market for private insurance. Surveys from insurers and other industry players indicate that as few as 11 percent of those on Obamacare’s exchanges were previously uninsured. If these trends continue, the probability increases that Obamacare will eventually get repealed.

[tonymctones]

where is whork?

[tonymctones]

none of you libtards wants to touch this?

[RRKore]

none of you libtards wants to touch this?

Touch it how?  Seems to me that the only people who will really care about this are the insurance companies.

Oh, the insurance companies aren't going to make as much money (or maybe even lose money) because the uninsured young and healthy (who aren't likely to make use of their coverage much) aren't signing up?  Boo-hoo.  

Hopefully that'll mean we're that much closer to a single payer solution where the insurance companies are shut out of the healthcare biz altogether. Which would be awesome, of course.

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/01/18/coverage-expansion-fail-less-than-one-third-of-obamacare-exchange-enrollees-were-previously-uninsured


Jeeez - what a fail train the entire o-fail admn is

[dario73]

Touch it how?  Seems to me that the only people who will really care about this are the insurance companies.

Oh, the insurance companies aren't going to make as much money (or maybe even lose money) because the uninsured young and healthy (who aren't likely to make use of their coverage much) aren't signing up?  Boo-hoo. 
Hopefully that'll mean we're that much closer to a single payer solution where the insurance companies are shut out of the healthcare biz altogether. Which would be awesome, of course.

You are a half-wit because your entire post is about how the insurance companies' bottom line will be affected. Ah, POLICYHOLDERS will also be hurt by the young not signing up. Their premiums will be higher than originally quoted and THAT IS WHERE INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

Your infatuation with single payer is also ridiculous. The way this government uses the taxpayer's money leaves much to be desired. After their handling of Social Security, Medicare and the Post Office why would anyone trust them with healthcare?

[RRKore]

You are a half-wit because your entire post is about how the insurance companies' bottom line will be affected. Ah, POLICYHOLDERS will also be hurt by the young not signing up. Their premiums will be higher than originally quoted and THAT IS WHERE INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

Your infatuation with single payer is also ridiculous. The way this government uses the taxpayer's money leaves much to be desired. After their handling of Social Security, Medicare and the Post Office why would anyone trust them with healthcare?

A half-wit?  Oooh, hurt me ya fuckin' dork who has some sort of fascination with all-caps and large fonts.

Look, shit-for-brains, if the insurance companies jack up rates then there will be a greater demand for a different system.  That system, one used successfully by many of the other 1st world countries, is single payer.  It works for other countries and it can work for us.

That you would trust for-profit companies more than your own government just means you're an unpatriotic loser with low expectations of your government.  

I guess I could kind understand your thinking if it were the 70's or 80's but this is 2014.  Gross inefficiencies on the part of the government should be much more easily brought to light (and then corrected) these days because of the internet.  Let me know if I need to explain this more clearly to you.

And how much inefficiency do you expect from the government-run system anyway?  It's said that the insurance companies take 1/3 of every dollar spent on healthcare, right?  So you seriously think that if the government runs the show, it'll waste more than 1/3 of every dollar?  Wow.  OK, so is that happening in the other developed countries with single payer?  If so, their per capita spending on healthcare is still so much lower than ours that it's still worth it.

If, you quitter, you have so little trust and belief in our government maybe you'd be happier under another nation's government.  I, myself, will be staying here and trying to make ours better.

[tonymctones]

Touch it how?  Seems to me that the only people who will really care about this are the insurance companies.

Oh, the insurance companies aren't going to make as much money (or maybe even lose money) because the uninsured young and healthy (who aren't likely to make use of their coverage much) aren't signing up?  Boo-hoo. 

Hopefully that'll mean we're that much closer to a single payer solution where the insurance companies are shut out of the healthcare biz altogether. Which would be awesome, of course.

you do know the obama admin has promised to pay the insurance companies for any losses correct?

[tonymctones]

A half-wit?  Oooh, hurt me ya fuckin' dork who has some sort of fascination with all-caps and large fonts.

Look, shit-for-brains, if the insurance companies jack up rates then there will be a greater demand for a different system.  That system, one used successfully by many of the other 1st world countries, is single payer.  It works for other countries and it can work for us.

That you would trust for-profit companies more than your own government just means you're an unpatriotic loser with low expectations of your government. 

I guess I could kind understand your thinking if it were the 70's or 80's but this is 2014.  Gross inefficiencies on the part of the government should be much more easily brought to light (and then corrected) these days because of the internet.  Let me know if I need to explain this more clearly to you.

And how much inefficiency do you expect from the government-run system anyway?  It's said that the insurance companies take 1/3 of every dollar spent on healthcare, right?  So you seriously think that if the government runs the show, it'll waste more than 1/3 of every dollar?  Wow.  OK, so is that happening in the other developed countries with single payer?  If so, their per capita spending on healthcare is still so much lower than ours that it's still worth it.

If, you quitter, you have so little trust and belief in our government maybe you'd be happier under another nation's government.  I, myself, will be staying here and trying to make ours better.

LMFAO you have got to be fucking trolling here....

yes lets trust the govt...the fact that you feel the govt has your best interest in mind makes you a fuking moron!!!!

if youre so unhappy with the current system maybe you would be happier under control of one of those other countries govts, so fucking move!!!!

[RRKore]

LMFAO you have got to be fucking trolling here....

yes lets trust the govt...the fact that you feel the govt has your best interest in mind makes you a fuking moron!!!!

if youre so unhappy with the current system maybe you would be happier under control of one of those other countries govts, so fucking move!!!!

Wait, so you trust the government to provide military defense but it's just out of the question that they could administer a single-payer national healthcare system even though many other countries are doing it? 

Why do you think other 1st world countries are better than the USA, Tony? 

[tonymctones]

Wait, so you trust the government to provide military defense but it's just out of the question that they could administer a single-payer national healthcare system even though many other countries are doing it? 

Why do you think other 1st world countries are better than the USA, Tony? 

LOL who said I trust the govt to provide military defense?

lets first state that it is in the constitution that the govt will provide for national defense...then lets state that many a libtard probably yourself included thinks the military is to big, costs to much, is inefficient and needs to have funding cut....

I dont think other 1st world countries are better than the US, but if you do maybe you should fucking move then!!!

[dario73]

LOL who said I trust the govt to provide military defense?

lets first state that it is in the constitution that the govt will provide for national defense...then lets state that many a libtard probably yourself included thinks the military is to big, costs to much, is inefficient and needs to have funding cut....

I dont think other 1st world countries are better than the US, but if you do maybe you should fucking move then!!!

Half-wit destroyed.

THREAD OVER!

[RRKore]

LOL who said I trust the govt to provide military defense?

lets first state that it is in the constitution that the govt will provide for national defense...then lets state that many a libtard probably yourself included thinks the military is to big, costs to much, is inefficient and needs to have funding cut....

I dont think other 1st world countries are better than the US, but if you do maybe you should fucking move then!!!

You are correct that you did not say that you trust the military to provide for national defense, that's true.  So tell us, then, do you trust the military or not?  Do you trust any part of the government to do competently do any job at all?
(It's not that you're just a negative guy in general, is it?)

Look, if other countries can do this (administer a single payer healthcare system for less than we were spending pre-ACA) then we can.  That's the bottom line. 

If you still think we can't, I'd like to know what differences there are between the USA and these other countries that would begin to explain why there's ANYTHING they can do that we can't.

BTW, that your opinion of what our government is capable of is so low honestly bugs me about almost all so-called conservatives.  It's pretty freakin' sad, really.

[RRKore]

Half-wit destroyed.

THREAD OVER!

You forgot to add "Boom!" in a 16pt font, ya silly bitch.

BTW, I'm not the only person saying that the prospective failure of ACA (to pay for itself via new insurance signups) was part of very sneaky liberal plan to get the USA to adopt a single payer system.  (To be fair I should point out that many are writing that the plan won't work but the idea has been written about for months now.)

Here are some relevant links from sources with disparate political leanings:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/16904-obamacare-the-plan-is-to-transition-to-single-payer-socialized-medicine
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116105/obamacare-will-lead-single-payer-michael-moore
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-obamacare-single-payer-system-instead-20131029,0,2845374.story
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/10/22/is_this_gross_incompetence_or_the_planned_path_to_single_payer_health_care

(Not sure if reading is your thing but I don't think the thread should be over until ya learn a little something.)

[Soul Crusher]

Obama lied health care died

[RRKore]

Your infatuation with single payer is also ridiculous. The way this government uses the taxpayer's money leaves much to be desired. After their handling of Social Security, Medicare and the Post Office why would anyone trust them with healthcare?

Because most other 1st world countries are able to do it.  

Are you even a US citizen?  If so, I will say that as an army veteran, I find your lack of faith in our country deplorable.

[tonymctones]

You are correct that you did not say that you trust the military to provide for national defense, that's true.  So tell us, then, do you trust the military or not?  Do you trust any part of the government to do competently do any job at all?
(It's not that you're just a negative guy in general, is it?)

Look, if other countries can do this (administer a single payer healthcare system for less than we were spending pre-ACA) then we can.  That's the bottom line. 

If you still think we can't, I'd like to know what differences there are between the USA and these other countries that would begin to explain why there's ANYTHING they can do that we can't.

BTW, that your opinion of what our government is capable of is so low honestly bugs me about almost all so-called conservatives.  It's pretty freakin' sad, really.

again let me restate that the CONSTITUTION requires the govt to provide for the national defense, this negates mine or your view of the govts role in providing a military and its efficiency in doing so.

no in general I do not trust the govt to do an efficient and satisfactory job.

why did you not answer my question...do you believe the govt has you best interest in mind?

BTW the fact that you feel the govt is so efficient and deserving of trust in the fact of countless departments, programs, incidents and scandals that prove otherwise show you to be a fucking moron.

[RRKore]

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why did you not answer my question...do you believe the govt has you best interest in mind?

BTW the fact that you feel the govt is so efficient and deserving of trust in the fact of countless departments, programs, incidents and scandals that prove otherwise show you to be a fucking moron.

Yes, the gov't has my best interest in mind -- however it's balanced against the interests of others so that means it won't always me hunky dory for me personally.

I do feel the gov't is largely efficient enough even though I, like you, hear about the bad shit.  (Newsflash, bad shit is newsworthy.)  What I don't think you're so cognizant of is all the the government-run stuff that goes pretty well. 

BTW, my moody little pal, does it make you feel better to call people you don't know so well a "fucking moron"?  Your problems with exaggeration and emotional control seem to be a habit with you. 

You, as a guy whose personal details are not exactly a state secret, should try to control that.

[dario73]

Yes, the gov't has my best interest in mind.

HAHAHAHA!!

You were a half-wit, now you are nitwit.

You are just trolling.

No more responses to your stupid posts.

[RRKore]

HAHAHAHA!!

You were a half-wit, now you are nitwit.

You are just trolling.

No more responses to your stupid posts.

So tell me, then, who is the govt working for? 

I mean, you don't seriously expect that I'll just take the word of an anonymous guy who manically starts off his post with, "HAHAHAHA!!", ya feel me?

[RRKore]

Oh, and Dario and Tony?,

Why no responses to my post where I pointed out that ACA failing as part of a plan to get single-payer instituted is being discussed by sources from all across the political spectrum? (I mean, c'mon, from The New Republic to Rush Limbaugh is about as wide-ranging as possible, don't ya think?)  I guess you agree that it's possible?

[tonymctones]

Oh, and Dario and Tony?,

Why no responses to my post where I pointed out that ACA failing as part of a plan to get single-payer instituted is being discussed by sources from all across the political spectrum? (I mean, c'mon, from The New Republic to Rush Limbaugh is about as wide-ranging as possible, don't ya think?)  I guess you agree that it's possible?

I didnt respond bc youre obviously a fucking moron if you think the govt has your best interest in mind

also I said exactly what you came to an epiphany to when they passed this shit bill. You see brain child anyone who is intellectually honest and has half a brain could have seen this rolling disaster coming years ago!!!

[AbrahamG]

I wish there was some form of govt health care/ single payer model in this country to use as a case study.  I guess Medicare will work in a pinch.    Let's see, medicare spends less than 5 cents on the dollar per administration costs.  Private insurance companies take no less than 20 cents of every dollar and up to 33 cents by some estimates for administration costs, ie CEO's and all the other multi millionaires in the private insurance industry.  I would hate to have govt come between me and my doctor or making decisions about my health/treatments or what have you.  That is much better left to the more noble for profit insurance companies.  Single payer, ha!  Who wants that commie shit.  Stupid knows no bounds.  RRK, my friend, we're fighting a losing battle on this board.

[tonymctones]

I didnt respond bc youre obviously a fucking moron if you think the govt has your best interest in mind

also I said exactly what you came to an epiphany to when they passed this shit bill. You see brain child anyone who is intellectually honest and has half a brain could have seen this rolling disaster coming years ago!!!

I should clarify, anyone who is intellectually honest, has half a brain and isn't stupid enough to believe the govt is run efficiently and competent would have seem this coming years ago.

[SCRUBS]

you do know the obama admin has promised to pay the insurance companies for any losses correct?

Gotta love american capitalism