Russian President Putin defends stance on homosexuals

[Dave D]

I think the sad part is we are not allowed to express differing opinions without sounding hateful. If sexual orientation is biologically determined why are we so hateful towards pedophiles; I know children need to be protected Im asking because we become hypocrites when we only defend specific orientations. For years "the church" justified racism and slavery in the name of Christ, however when we learned and accepted, culturally, that this was wrong and hateful we outlawed it (this being said many hide/justify actions behind God will, Christian, Muslim, etc...). Putin wants to increase his population and sees homosexuality as a negative and this causes an uproar; China wants more male children and will kill off female babies yet we remain silent. As people we have a lot of issues, one generations scientific fact becomes anothers mythology. We know what we've learnt and are taught and those ideas are forever changing.

[Radical Plato]

I think the sad part is we are not allowed to express differing opinions without sounding hateful. If sexual orientation is biologically determined why are we so hateful towards pedophiles; I know children need to be protected Im asking because we become hypocrites when we only defend specific orientations. For years "the church" justified racism and slavery in the name of Christ, however when we learned and accepted, culturally, that this was wrong and hateful we outlawed it (this being said many hide/justify actions behind God will, Christian, Muslim, etc...). Putin wants to increase his population and sees homosexuality as a negative and this causes an uproar; China wants more male children and will kill off female babies yet we remain silent. As people we have a lot of issues, one generations scientific fact becomes anothers mythology. We know what we've learnt and are taught and those ideas are forever changing.

China doesn't want more male children, the choice to kill the female infants is made on an individual level simply because Males offer more value in a society that limits a families reproductive rights to one child.  What good is a woman whose greatest advantage is reproducing when she is limited to one child, best to have a male child and benefit from the greater resources they can provide.  It's a matter of being practical.

In an overpopulated world, where the possibility of restrictions being placed on reproductive rights, homosexuals should be embraced as they won't reproduce and this gives heterosexuals a greater chance to have more children.

DO we really want to force people like Ted Haggard to reproduce?

[Nomad]

What I take away from this thread is that people like Wiggs should not be able to have an opinion and express it because some people get upset. Not just upset but really really upset.

looool. you guys need to visit 99% of the world. You guys should relax and enjoy your position of being able to voice support for homosexuals and homosexual tolerance. Instead what I see here is everyone trying to shove "gaydom" down Wiggs throat. Wiggs clearly does not like gay people for reasons unknown. Why does every here get so riled up?

Also its Russia so who gives a fuck? Russia is a crazy place.

[Dave D]

E-Kul my point exactly; society and culture set the standards that determine norms.
 

[dustin]

I think the sad part is we are not allowed to express differing opinions without sounding hateful. If sexual orientation is biologically determined why are we so hateful towards pedophiles; I know children need to be protected Im asking because we become hypocrites when we only defend specific orientations.

The reason is because there's a far greater dynamic that needs to be considered. Children aren't consenting adults and never will be. So that argument is tossed out the window forever. And that's me being completely objective and trying to be calm as fuck. I think kiddy diddlers should be tortured in the worst way. I can empathize if someone has perverse thoughts, but at the end of the day I want to see them burn.

[Dave D]

The reason is because there's a far greater dynamic that needs to be considered. Children aren't consenting adults and never will be. So that argument is tossed out the window forever. And that's me being completely objective and trying to be calm as fuck. I think kiddy diddlers should be tortured in the worst way. I can empathize if someone has perverse thoughts, but at the end of the day I want to see them burn.

Im not disagreeing, as I said children need protection, however I was discussing sexual orientation, we can't seem to agree ifs predetermined or a decision; so the argument is legitimate.  Sexual orientation discussion causes a lot of debate. Nobody is defending pedophilia the question is how we decide what determines an individuals orientation.

[buffdnet]

One has to laugh at the irony of the largest pedophilia network in the world labelling homosexuality perverse.  

dunno if you know this.  to anyone who could use this info.

there is a news paper from the freedom from religion foundation (who I support
out my disability check) that every month publishes black collar crime.  this includes arrests/charged, pleaded/convicted, sentenced, civil lawsuits filed, lawsuits settled, legal developments and removed resigned.
this includes all crimes from getting busted for seeing prostitutes, to fraud murder
and of course child abuse/rape.

what this record shows (it is all 100% sourced) is that the pedophilia and other crimes
is rampant throughout each and every religion there is.  from muslimes, to jewbastards
to christians of all brands and even hindu and buddhism.

without a doubt organized religion poisons everything and is a pyramid scheme
that puts bernie madoff to shame.
may be hard to tell but humanity is winning as people leave their churches in droves.
there is even a place where clergy who are tired of living the lie can to seek help
in order to leave the lie and have hope of returning to a civilized society.
http://clergyproject.org/

I also support this outcampaign.org/ which is a place for individuals to let others know they are not alone. it's not a gay org it's an atheist org.  and lastly I financially support richarddawkins.net foundation for science and reason

[buffdnet]

I think the sad part is we are not allowed to express differing opinions without sounding hateful.

 then just get over it.  pc has no place on these issues.  I give no shits if I sound hateful.
i do in fact hate religious fucks who condemn my own blood based on mythology and deny science.

If sexual orientation is biologically determined why are we so hateful towards pedophiles; I know children need to be protected Im asking because we become hypocrites when we only defend specific orientations.

it's not being hypocritical what so ever. quit being pc.

For years "the church" justified racism and slavery in the name of Christ,

they still do.  anyone that hates another member of society is a racist period.

Putin wants to increase his population and sees homosexuality as a negative and this causes an uproar

he's a murderous thug and that's all you need consider.

China wants more male children and will kill off female babies yet christians remain silent.

 i fixed that for you for truth.

 

As people we have a lot of issues, one generations scientific fact becomes anothers mythology. We know what we've learnt and are taught and those ideas are forever changing.

and that is the beauty of science. religion refuses to change, science welcomes being proven wrong
and adapts to truth and nothing less.  when godgobblers claim god musta done it, science speaks to truth, which is, we don't know yet.
but we will as we are working on it.

 

[Dave D]

 then just get over it.  pc has no place on these issues.  I give no shits if I sound hateful.
i do in fact hate religious fucks who condemn my own blood based on mythology and deny science.
it's not being hypocritical what so ever. quit being pc.
they still do.  anyone that hates another member of society is a racist period.  he's a murderous thug and that's all you need consider.
  i fixed that for you for truth.

 and that is the beauty of science. religion refuses to change, science welcomes being proven wrong
and adapts to truth and nothing less.  when godgobblers claim god musta done it, science speaks to truth, which is, we don't know yet.
but we will

Glad you've got all the answers, hopefully you're helping society advance. Keep up the good work.

[O.Z.]

Why does the U.S. and the U.K. feel the need to force their abnormal values on other countries around the world?  ??[/b]?


Russian President Putin links gays to pedophiles
By Lynn Berry, The Associated Press


President Vladimir Putin gives an interview to Russian and foreign journalists in Sochi on January 19, 2014.

MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered new assurances to gay athletes and fans
attending the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics next month. Yet he defended Russia's anti-gay law by
equating gays with pedophiles and said Russia needs to "cleanse" itself of homosexuality if it wants to
increase its birth rate.

Putin's comments in an interview broadcast Sunday with Russian and foreign television stations
showed the wide gulf between the perception of homosexuality in Russia versus the West.


A Russian law passed last year banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" among minors
has caused an international outcry.

Putin refused to answer a question from the BBC on whether he believes that people are born gay or
become gay. The Russian law, however, suggests that information about homosexuality can influence
a child's sexual orientation.

The law has contributed to growing animosity toward gays in Russian society, with rights activists
reporting a rise in harassment and abuse.

International worries about how gays will be treated in Sochi have been met with assurances from
Russian officials and Olympics organizers that there will be no discrimination in Sochi, and Putin
reiterated that stance.

"There are no fears for people with this nontraditional orientation who plan to come to Sochi as guests
or participants," Putin declared in the TV interview.

He said the law was aimed at banning propaganda of homosexuality and pedophilia, suggesting that
gays are more likely to abuse children.

Making another favorite argument against homosexuality, Putin noted with pride that Russia saw
more births than deaths last year for the first time in two decades. Population growth is vital for
Russia's development and "anything that gets in the way of that we should clean up," he said, using a
word usually reserved for military operations.

Putin accused the United States of double standards in its criticism of Russia, pointing to laws that
remain on the books in some U.S. states classifying gay sex as a crime. The U.S. Supreme Court,
however, ruled in 2003 that such laws were unconstitutional.

Homosexuality was a crime in the entire former Soviet Union, which collapsed in 1991. It was
decriminalized in Russia in 1993.
The Sochi Winter Olympics run Feb. 7-23.
© 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

Population control.

[DanielPaul]

You can disagree with me all day. But what I'm saying was conventional thinking until scumbags with agendas came in and changed things over time. It's a mental illness. It's not a natural act.

you know wiggs I use to think you were just a nutty fucker but the more I read the more sense you make

[Donny]

FUCK THE POPE

[TheShape]

Wiggs is a closeted homosexual.

[DanielPaul]

Wiggs is a closeted homosexual.

your mom is a dirty whore, so why judge.

[oldtimer1]

This is the way I see it.

1. It's a choice and not a genetic predisposition.

2. I don't understand the hate toward gays.

3. This thing in Russia started when some gay protests turned obscene in public with nudity and other nonsense. That's when he cracked down and said you will not do this in Red Square disgracing our country. Then all hell broke loose in the US with anti Putin stories all over the liberal press.

No Homo

[The Ugly]

1. It's a choice and not a genetic predisposition.

I'm gonna say no, most often not. For men, anyway. Genetic, usually, sometimes environmental, or a combination of the two.

My girlfriend's nephews are twins, same parenting, schooling, friends, everything. No trauma in either case. At a very early age, one became interested in sports, cars, superheroes, etc., but his brother preferred to play "dress-up." Princess outfits, make-up, the whole deal. No interest in boy stuff at all, despite encouragement from his brother.

He's still too young to express any romantic inclinations, but it's pretty obvious to everyone which way he'll go. The only environmental component present is that his folks allowed him to entertain his feminine interests, but the desire was already there.

No way for me to explain away genetics in this case.

[honest]

Right or wrong, in an age of populists politicians Putin stands tall, he may not be always right but he leads he doesn't just look to appeal to voters from all walks of life like our weak western leaders who bankrupt  countries with welfare policies with only their re election in mind, I think his conservative stance on homosexuality is fine, it shouldn't be punished but its shouldn't dominate political debate, the Saudis who let the USA exploit it for oil at the right price cut your head off for being gay, but lets focus on Putin and Russia, cmon.

[Nomad]

Right or wrong, in an age of populists politicians Putin stands tall, he may not be always right but he leads he doesn't just look to appeal to voters from all walks of life like our weak western leaders who bankrupt  countries with welfare policies with only their re election in mind, I think his conservative stance on homosexuality is fine, it shouldn't be punished but its shouldn't dominate political debate, the Saudis who let the USA exploit it for oil at the right price cut your head off for being gay, but lets focus on Putin and Russia, cmon.

Saudi's have oil while Russians have thousands of nukes. hahaha oh brother 

[theredeemer]

Putin is a light in the darkness.  The west spews forth demonic filth, conjured from the foul and filthy souls within it,  and the old word casts the demon back with force and honor.  AMEN.

[Automation]

One day we will laugh at all this. The only people who care who sleeps with which sex are those with an agenda: mainly religious people and politicians. Anyone who is enlightened couldn't care less. If no one is being harmed, and there is consent within the law, I say do whatever makes you happy.

[_bruce_]

Gay folks are being used for an agenda.
Propaganda emitted by western, future arab, politicians and NGOs is not aligned with equality but with polarizing dissidence.

[The Scott]

Some have suggested Christ was gay, would you still follow him if that is the case?

Ridiculous supposition made in a lame attempt to subvert another's words, for if true He would not be the Christ. 

[thebrink]

Putin is a real mans leader.

[a_pupil]

putin is alpha as fuck.

[Andy Griffin]

I never thought I'd see the day where I would agree with a foreign leader, especially a Russian, more so than the POTUS. 

The only thing Putin did wrong was clarify that he just didn't want queers bothering people.

He was right in his original statements that it is wrong...plain wrong...and has no place among normal people.