lololol...no...the thread was about personal trainers and he claims to be one so as far as his expertise I was saying the proof is in the pudding... Genetics are one thing but IMO you really need to actually look like you know what you are talking about to get clients to trust you... If I wanted to look smooth with very little muscle, on contest day mind you, I'll take advice from Vince. It still is a physique show and he strikes me as one of the knuckleheads that just gets up there in the hopes that they will get a trophy based on the number of other atheletes in his class.... There are always 3 or 4 of these people at every show.