400 mgs Ibuprofen is 30x more hepatotoxic than 20mgs Dbol

[Big Chiro Flex]

-Discuss

[Nomad]

Better google and copy pasta spam the scientific study.

[Palpatine Q]

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I'm thinking no.

[240 is Back]

where does our good friend merlot fall in this mix?

[Ace]

How about a Long Island Ice Tea?

[Big Chiro Flex]

I'm thinking no.

I've heard this comparison from several places previously. And we know that 7 days of ibuprofen at 400mgs will certainly raise AST/ALT enzymes.

What would you compare in your experience Dbol's hepatoxicity to? (Say a standard 20mg dose)

[_aj_]

I am guessing that the metabolic pathways are different, first of all. Ibuprofen isn't 17-AA.

Second, this would be alarming, since I went literally YEARS when I was taking 1200+ mg/day of ibuprofen. It's still my go to pain killer of choice.

On the "it wouldn't be surprising" side is that I have come to think that doctors aren't always the most medically aware folks...

A study would be nice, or an abstract.

[macos]

All right, came across a study by Ciba.
Using dbol cuts short healing time of corneal ulcers.

[falco]

Based on my self experience, and being i somewhat liver sensitive, 20 mg dianabol is 30 times more toxic than 400mg of brufen.

I seriously wish it was different.

[pellius]

I've heard this comparison from several places previously. And we know that 7 days of ibuprofen at 400mgs will certainly raise AST/ALT enzymes.

What would you compare in your experience Dbol's hepatoxicity to? (Say a standard 20mg dose)

But considering that most go on dbol for 6-12 weeks. And I don't know anybody that uses a "standard" 20mg dose and it's more like 50-100mg.  I don't think ibuprofen was ever meant to be taken that long. I think it's a week max. When I use it it's never more than 4-5 days.

But my opinion is that neither of these drugs are dangerous if use responsibly. Anything that's abused is not going to be good for you. Probably the most abuse substance in this country is food. People consume too much of it and the leading cause of death, heart disease, is  mostly due to diet.  

I venture out into public last weekend and it really hit me how everybody is just fat. Some fatter than others but all fat. It's so common place now that it's like it's become the new norm. And Hawaii was recently voted as the most fit and in shape State.  

[Van_Bilderass]

I am guessing that the metabolic pathways are different, first of all.

Exactly. You can't compare two different drugs like that.

[Nordic Beast]

ibuprofen is renal toxic not liver



hope this helps retard

[pellius]

ibuprofen is renal toxic not liver



hope this helps retard

Yah, that's what I thought. It's Tylenol (Acetaminophen) that's liver toxic.

[macos]

ibuprofen is renal toxic not liver



hope this helps retard

 

[bigmc]

ibuprofen is renal toxic not liver



hope this helps retard

this


minus the retard comment which I feel was superfluous to the argument

[_aj_]

But considering that most go on dbol for 6-12 weeks. And I don't know anybody that uses a "standard" 20mg dose and it's more like 50-100mg.  I don't think ibuprofen was ever meant to be taken that long. I think it's a week max. When I use it it's never more than 4-5 days.

But my opinion is that neither of these drugs are dangerous if use responsibly. Anything that's abused is not going to be good for you. Probably the most abuse substance in this country is food. People consume too much of it and the leading cause of death, heart disease, is  mostly due to diet.  

I venture out into public last weekend and it really hit me how everybody is just fat. Some fatter than others but all fat. It's so common place now that it's like it's become the new norm. And Hawaii was recently voted as the most fit and in shape State.  

Hawaii? The native Hawaiians are the fattest fucks I have ever seen.

[240 is Back]

liver experts here...

daily vitamins are all good, right?  B, C, E, ginseng, fish oil, and cranberry...

merlot.... 2 glasses..... 2 or 4 nights a week.... that's far more damaging than ibuprofin?

i rarely touch any tylenol or ibuprofin, never any steroid, dont even own a salt shaker... but I dont know much about how liver works, etc.  I've read some vitamins suck or are bad for ya.

[Big Chiro Flex]

ibuprofen is renal toxic not liver



hope this helps retard

Yes that's a good point as well 

[dustin]

Hawaii? The native Hawaiians are the fattest fucks I have ever seen.

Slow down, fella. I'm not saying they're not fat, but there's solid-fat and soft-fat like typical North Americans who are normally born a normal size but balloon up in weight. Hawaiians are naturally thick as fuck and solid as fuck too. North Americans were never meant to be that big and have shoulder fat that hangs down past their elbows.

Every Islander I've ever seen was solid as an oak. They're not the prettiest people aesthetically and look closer to a potato than anything, but it's a different type of "fatness". I've also heard that their cardiovascular system's pretty decent, all things considered. They're just a naturally large people.

BTW, you see all these studies about acetamenophen poisoning and I never thought it to be true until I saw a ton of people in the ER with Tylenol ODs. Some people take it for attention in fake suicide attempts, others take it just because they're stupid. It's incredible. Any time I go to the ER (to visit family and friends who work there, or because I was a dumbass and hurt myself lol) I ask if there's APAP ODs and they have people who've crushed a handful of T3's to get high, ate a bottle during a fake suicide attempt, have chronic pain so they eat them like Tic Tacs, etc. I couldn't believe it. Every time I've gone there to have a coffee with someone, I'll ask if there's APAP ODs and lo and behold. It really does send a fuckload of North Americans to the ERs everyday. People are stupid as fucking gerbils.

[Hulkotron]

How about a Long Island Ice Tea?

Is it okay for a man to drink these?

"My friend" enjoys them.

[ProudVirgin69]

Is it okay for a man to drink these?

"My friend" enjoys them.

If you're a raging alcoholic at a social event, sure.  Less conspicuous than straight alcohol, and only slightly less effective

[Mr Nobody]

[galeniko]

How about a Long Island Ice Tea?

a cocktail doesnt get any more brutal than that


ibuprofen so harsh on the liver?thats brutal.

but who takes that every day?dbol is taken weveyrday, just for relativty sake.

hm, and ibiprofen is realy bad on the kidneys.

btw, chiro, well or anyone, how is cortisol on liver and kidneys?i just had a massive cortisol shot, felt like a hammer hitting from the inside

[_aj_]

Slow down, fella. I'm not saying they're not fat, but there's solid-fat and soft-fat like typical North Americans who are normally born a normal size but balloon up in weight. Hawaiians are naturally thick as fuck and solid as fuck too. North Americans were never meant to be that big and have shoulder fat that hangs down past their elbows.

Every Islander I've ever seen was solid as an oak. They're not the prettiest people aesthetically and look closer to a potato than anything, but it's a different type of "fatness". I've also heard that their cardiovascular system's pretty decent, all things considered. They're just a naturally large people.

OK, but I have been there several times and I have seen with mine own eyes. This is Israel Kamakawiwo'ole (beautiful voice) and he basically writes lamentations in song about how fat his family is.

[ProudVirgin69]

OK, but I have been there several times and I have seen with mine own eyes. This is Israel Kamakawiwo'ole (beautiful voice) and he basically writes lamentations in song about how fat his family is.

That's not Keith Jones