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No he does not want single payer, he is beholden to special interests that are the true enemies of single payer.  Do you think joe sixpack knew what single payer was before the media mobilized in response to the possibility of it?





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The Europeans have been thieves, hypocrites, and delusional bastards for hundreds of years. The particular irony of it all is this new wave of moral superiority is on the heels of a giant financial clusterfuck in the EU. yeah, great system guys. US economy is shit now, but the EU is pathetic.

Dream on, stupid. Problems in the EU is coming from the same source than many other problems, because European countries has been giving loans to US banks, which can't pay back. That is the main reason of the economic depression in EU. Just pay back those hundreds of billions, and we can drop the taxes 10 -15% in every European country. Your state is in debt up to it's eyeballs, and where do you think all that wasted money has come? From of outer space? It is the money which other countries has lent to USA, and which they never get back, because 80% of those billions got stolen by your capitalist elite. In fact, if we wouldn't have lent those billions to USA, you poor bastards will be starving at the moment, so have some respect  Grin

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very enlightening, thank you for sharing this
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Dream on, stupid. Problems in the EU is coming from the same source than many other problems, because European countries has been giving loans to US banks, which can't pay back. That is the main reason of the economic depression in EU. Just pay back those hundreds of billions, and we can drop the taxes 10 -15% in every European country. Your state is in debt up to it's eyeballs, and where do you think all that wasted money has come? From of outer space? It is the money which other countries has lent to USA, and which they never get back, because 80% of those billions got stolen by your capitalist elite. In fact, if we wouldn't have lent those billions to USA, you poor bastards will be starving at the moment, so have some respect  Grin

Are you retarded? Your states run more debt than the US. Your monetary system is completely fucked. A central bank for the entire continent will never work. Thats the root of your problems. At least our slavemaster financial elite live in OUR country. Most Europeans are enslaved to a few bundesbank elite and EU technocrats from OTHER countries. lol! Fucking brilliant.

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Ok I bite, who should the single payer be....BCBS, United Healthcare, Aetna, or aghast the government. Lets see, do away with private insurance companies and everything is run by the government. Brilliant, you immediately put millions of Americans out of work who work for the private insurance companies. Second, when has the US government ever run a business responsibly without going into debt. Who is going to pay for it. Fifty percent of Americans have no skin in the game; they do not pay taxes and in fact get refunds. Ok, tax the rich...great. What happens when they run out of money. Now who is going to pay for Universal Healthcare.

Universal healthcare will only work if every individual in this country has skin in the game. Moreover, self responsibility needs to come into play. How are we going to pay for ove 300 million Americans when the 24 milion working Americans don't have a job....don't believe the BS jobless reports given monthly as they do not count those who have quit looking for a job. The real unemployment number is 15%. Thus, how the hell do you propose you will pay for this. Medicaid, which is state and federally subsidized is barely accepted at many physicians offices as the reimbursement fee is too low; doctors lose money caring for Medicaid patients. There are more people joining Medicaid on the ACA than those signing up for private insurance; the plan as it is unsustainable.

If you are stuck with a single payer system, they can dictate therapy as they see fit. You could be a 65 yo male with no prior history and have an infection that leads to renal failure and because of your age you may not receive a kidney transplant. You may not receive that life saving chemotherapy because it is too expensive. If you have no recourse except one insurer you are the mercy of that plan and that plan alone. I and a lot of medical professionals see a trainwreck coming.

The point of single payer is bring down the costs of medical services, drugs, and medical devices so that they're more inline with what other countries are paying.  Are you of the opinion that prices don't need to be brought down?  If not, let's hear your plan that would bring prices down close to the levels that single payer countries pay.

And, yes, it makes the most sense to have the government run it despite putting healthcare insurance folks out of work. (BTW, "millions" of healthcare insurance employees?  Link to a source for this because I'm reading that it's well short of 1 million.) It should be mentioned, though, that were the gov't to take the role of the single payer, the administration of the program would necessitate the hiring of quite a few folks, too, don't you think? 

Not sure why the 65-year old guy would get a kidney transplant when private insurance is running the show but not the gov't.  And aren't a lot of 65-year olds covered by medicare anyway?  How and why would a single payer by gov't system be different than medicare? This is an honest question because don't folks, in fact, call gov't-run single payer "medicare for all"? 

In short, most other industrialized countries successfully have some kind of single payer system and they pay much less for everything than we do and have medical outcomes that are no worse.  So if they can do it, why can't we?


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The ongoing point here is, had this man just been some illegal shlep or broke dick, we'd never heard of this story and he'd paid nothing, ever.  What's your answer to that Adonis?

Btw, the exchange and all this is pure rubbish. The idea was to get "young people" involved to pay for all the older people not on Medicare yet. Thats not even close to coming to fruition. Again, Idealistic childish liberal thinking run-amok.


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Are you retarded? Your states run more debt than the US. Your monetary system is completely fucked. A central bank for the entire continent will never work. Thats the root of your problems. At least our slavemaster financial elite live in OUR country. Most Europeans are enslaved to a few bundesbank elite and EU technocrats from OTHER countries. lol! Fucking brilliant.

No, in fact you are. No one on this earth has mode depth's than USA have, so shut the fuck up. If our system is fucked, your system is ass fucked without any lubricants. The root of our problems is the fact, that we have some kind of trust to the American banks, which have no means what so ever to pay back the money they owns to the banks in EU. This is solid 100% fact, not any red neck bullshit. Just a fact, so read it and try to live with it. You poor bastards will never be able to pay what you own to EU countries, so fuck you. You are bunch of apes, living with the money which you have borrowed from EU, and which you never be able to pay back.  

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No, in fact you are. No one on this earth has mode depth's than USA have, so shut the fuck up. If our system is fucked, your system is ass fucked without any lubricants. The root of our problems is the fact, that we have some kind of trust to the American banks, which have no means what so ever to pay back the money they owns to the banks in EU. This is solid 100% fact, not any red neck bullshit. Just a fact, so read it and try to live with it. You poor bastards will never be able to pay what you own to EU countries, so fuck you. You are bunch of apes, living with the money which you have borrowed from EU, and which you never be able to pay back.  

Settle down dumb fuck... lol



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The point of single payer is bring down the costs of medical services, drugs, and medical devices so that they're more inline with what other countries are paying.  Are you of the opinion that prices don't need to be brought down?  If not, let's hear your plan that would bring prices down close to the levels that single payer countries pay.

And, yes, it makes the most sense to have the government run it despite putting healthcare insurance folks out of work. (BTW, "millions" of healthcare insurance employees?  Link to a source for this because I'm reading that it's well short of 1 million.) It should be mentioned, though, that were the gov't to take the role of the single payer, the administration of the program would necessitate the hiring of quite a few folks, too, don't you think? 

Not sure why the 65-year old guy would get a kidney transplant when private insurance is running the show but not the gov't.  And aren't a lot of 65-year olds covered by medicare anyway?  How and why would a single payer by gov't system be different than medicare? This is an honest question because don't folks, in fact, call gov't-run single payer "medicare for all"? 

In short, most other industrialized countries successfully have some kind of single payer system and they pay much less for everything than we do and have medical outcomes that are no worse.  So if they can do it, why can't we?



Lol, really. We are talking the US government here. BTW, Europe where the policy is instituted is destitute financially. Only country that is not imminently in the crapper is Germany and even they are hurting. Medicare is subsidized by the working class. Think if the working class had to subsidize everyone in the United States, the taxes would be insurmountable. Moreover, considering the bureaucracy of our existing system, you would have doctors bogged down by unnecessary audits and oversight that would limit their ability to practice medicine. Why is it that people who have Federal BCBS keep their insurance and avoid Medicare. Congressman are now using the ACA exchanges for their healthcare but they get subsidized by the government; the common folk who make over a certain income do not get subsidized. Think about it, would Congressman even participate unless it gave them political clout.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/09/whats-congress-doing-about-its-own-health-care/


http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/15/labor-leaders-obamacare-will-shatter-their-health-benefits-cause-nightmare-scenarios/




 

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Re: Man Charged 89,000 for Snakebite when the antivenom is 750 dollars. USA Sucks
« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2014, 05:54:10 AM »
Lol, really. We are talking the US government here. BTW, Europe where the policy is instituted is destitute financially. Only country that is not imminently in the crapper is Germany and even they are hurting. Medicare is subsidized by the working class. Think if the working class had to subsidize everyone in the United States, the taxes would be insurmountable. Moreover, considering the bureaucracy of our existing system, you would have doctors bogged down by unnecessary audits and oversight that would limit their ability to practice medicine. Why is it that people who have Federal BCBS keep their insurance and avoid Medicare. Congressman are now using the ACA exchanges for their healthcare but they get subsidized by the government; the common folk who make over a certain income do not get subsidized. Think about it, would Congressman even participate unless it gave them political clout.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/12/09/whats-congress-doing-about-its-own-health-care/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/15/labor-leaders-obamacare-will-shatter-their-health-benefits-cause-nightmare-scenarios/


Not sure why I'm taking you seriously now.  To read your post, you'd think Germany uses single payer but that is false.  Germany uses a multi-payer system and an insurance mandate, actually.  (Sound familiar?)

So "...Europe where the policy is instituted is destitute financially."?

Are you implying that Europe is the only place where single payer is used? (As Dwight Schrute says, "FALSE!")  Or are you just implying that the single payer is responsible for the alleged "destitute" status of Europe?  Funny, you don't say one word about why the single payer countries pay so much less for healthcare services than we do, though.

Here's a partial list of countries that either use single payer or "two tier" where the gov't provides a minimum level of coverage while offering additional coverage that can be purchased if desired:
Norway.............Singl e Payer
New Zealand.....Two Tier
Japan...............Sing le Payer
United Kingdom.Single Payer
Kuwait..............Sing le Payer
Sweden............Single Payer
Bahrain............Singl e Payer
Brunei..............Sing le Payer
Canada............Single Payer
Netherlands......Two-Tier
UAE.................Sing le Payer
Finland.............Sing le Payer
Slovenia...........Singl e Payer
Denmark..........Two-Tier
France.............Two-Tier
Australia..........Two Tier
Ireland............Two-Tier
Italy................Sin gle Payer
Portugal...........Singl e Payer
Cyprus............Single Payer
Spain..............Singl e Payer
Iceland............Singl e Payer
Hong Kong.......Two-Tier
Singapore........Two-Tier
Israel..............Two-Tier

Like Colin Powell said:
“And I don’t see why we can’t do what Europe is doing, what Canada is doing, what Korea is doing, what all these other places are doing.”… “We are a wealthy enough country with the capacity to make sure that every one of our fellow citizens has access to quality health care,” Powell. “(Let’s show) the rest of the world what our democratic system is all about and how we take care of all of our citizens.”