NO. they are mutually excusive.
See, that's not how this works. You can't just wave your hand around like some kind of Jedi and convince people that these aren't the droids they're looking for.
you are confusing "national" pride with "cultural" pride.
Am I? I don't think so.
if your country cannot provide you with an opportunity to make a living and raise a family, that nation has failed you and you have no reason to take any pride in said nation.
Nonsense. You can be proud of your country even if you have emigrated elsewhere. Because you can emigrate for
many reasons. Perhaps you do so because your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife is from that other country; perhaps you do so because your country can't provide you the opportunities that another country can afford you in your chosen field - the job market for nuclear engineers or high-energy particle physicists; perhaps you do so because you disagree with the current political regime. And I could keep going.
You see, the problem with your position is that you assume that people emigrate from Mexico for one reason and one reason only: because they can't make a living or raise a family. While that may be true for
some people, it's not true for all people; you are painting using a ridiculously broad brush and the counterexample to your silly statements is
Carlos SlimNo doubt, some (large) parts of Mexico are complete clusterfucks. But, to different degrees, that's true of
any country, including the United States.
that does not mean that you can't hold dear the traditions and morals that your "community" inside that nation has provided you.
Now who is confusing "national" and "cultural" pride? This was never an issue, and you are bringing it up only to divert attention from your previous point. It's the equivalent of yelling: "LOOK OVER THERE! A BLUE CAR!" Don't be surprised when this strategy doesn't work.
so who has an IQ of a potato again? fuck you.
The people who couldn't "argue" with and debunk the position you
claim that your grandfather adopted.
avxo's been conditioned by the liberal media to love and adore anything "not America".
It's silly to assume you know me, much less understand me well enough to know that I've been conditioned by anyone or that I love and adore anything "not America." But that's a typical strategy of you and your ilk, isn't it? Anytime someone disagrees with a position you hold, that person automatically doesn't love America.
i'm half Mexican.
And yet, somehow, all-American. Hot dogs. Beer. Football. YEAH!
I have no pride in the nation of mexico because as you said, it s a fucking disaster and we don't take them to task for it enough.
Again, you are painting an
entire nation with your brush. And you accuse me of "knee jerk reactions"?
we blame America, because of people like Avxo whose knee jerk reaction is to defend any country other than America whether they deserve it or not.
Please feel free to point out
any instance where I have uncritically and/or undeservedly blamed America. As a matter of fact, point out
any instance where I have blamed America.
You won't, because you can't. You see, unlike you I don't blame entire countries.
my grandfather worked in a factory during the day and went to school at night. became a pharmacist. America gave him that opportunity.
Good for him - he came here seeking a better life and he, obviously, achieved it by working hard. But what's the point of telling us this? Nobody here argues that America isn't the place where hard work and effort don't pay off.
he had pride in America as a nation and pride in his culture that came from Mexico.
Good for him. But this isn't about cultural vs. national pride.
Again, being proud of America doesn't mean that one can't also be proud of the nation where one came from and to suggest otherwise is silly. A very good friend of mine - an academic who recently received the highest honor in his field - is a permanent resident on a path to citizenship. He emigrated here because of his wife - an American - who wanted to be close to her parents and family. He's extremely proud of the country he came from, even as he is proud of America.
You suggest, again, that this person can't be proud of both countries. I am asking you point blank:
why?But he knew that only the truly ignorant came to America to make a living and raise their families and then went out in the streets during the Mexican parades and waved around Mexican flags. It's akin to saying that a certain restaurant is your favorite but you would never eat there.
Your analogy is, let's be generous and say, flawed. That aside, you keep repeating the same mantra. Just answer one simple question: What makes being proud of country X mutually exclusive with being proud of the United States?
