I feel like shit-but "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels"

[Uncle Junior]

I am now 80 kilos, this is a joke, I was 84/85 less than 10 days ago.

When I carb/calorie restrict real low weight just flies off, my goal was 78 kilos and like only 2 kilos away, I am sure by next week I will be 78 kilos.

So should I now go down to 75 then or even 73? Farrrrrrrrk

Been doing Keto for like 10 days str8 now, feel like death, keep going or carb up now?

Fucking fat still around hips, pisses me off.

Eating like this, kept carbs less than 30g a day calories around 900 -1300 a day + Weight Training & Cardio for 15-18 hours a week.

Today Eating:

Morning: 9am (Pre Workout)

10g BCCA's
1 x Scoop On Whey (less than 4g carbs)
2 x Boiled Eggs
2 x Scoop Craze

Workout: Back + Biceps + Cardio (2.5 hours total)

Post Workout 12.30pm:
10g BCCA's
1 x Scoop Creatine

4.00pm

200g skinless Chicken + 2 shoots of lettuce
5 x Almonds

5.00pm

1 x Scoop On Whey

7.30pm

Will have 150g white fish (no skin)


Won't eat till after 8.00pm till next day


I feel like death:

Can't sleep at night
Headache
Every time I stand up get Huuuuge head rush
No energy to do anything, don't feel like working


.......WHEN SHOULD I DO REFEED, SHOULD I GO NUTS ON THE REFEED, HOW DO I  NOT GO NUTS ON REFEED,


CARRY ON?

FOOD IS EVIL

FOOD IS FOR THE WEAK

FOOD IS WHAT MAKES PEOPLE DIE

FOOD DOESN'T GET THE GIRLS.

FOOD IS A CUNNT

GALENIKO IS MY GOD!

PRAISE BE TO GOD

[Simple Simon]

You need to up it to 7 almonds.

[Simple Simon]

You cant have refeeds until you get into single digits BF

[Wolfox]

Its water weight from the lack of carbs. A carb refeed can easily put back on 5-10 lbs in a day or two.

[wes]

Its water weight from the lack of carbs. A carb refeed can easily put back on 5-10 lbs in a day or two.

^^^^ Yup,lowered carb intake = less water.

[Wolfox]

You cant have refeeds until you get into single digits BF

Not true. You can't still benefit from refeeds even in the mid teens.

[Simple Simon]

Not true. You can't still benefit from refeeds even in the mid teens.

Hes following the galeniko method.

[Skorp1o]

I agree, its a bit extreme and unsustainable unless you had bottom range bf levels already, a well planned carb cycling will get most people in double figures to break into the single digit area....from then on good luck as the fun really begins

[Wolfox]

Yeah I know that's why I'm scared to do it but I don't know how long more I can take this shit, my workouts becoming a joke now and going through motions.

No need to be afraid of little water weight...makes the muscles look full and proper.

Keto is brutal for the first 2-3 weeks then it gets easier as your body adapts.

Question you need to ask yourself, do you NEED to diet on keto? Because its not necessary for everyone.

[Simple Simon]

Yea also been taking green tea tabs and also Arimidex 0.25 tab EOD vascularity started to come out on the shoulders and chest again.

Haven't had a shit for a week.

My smoking has gone through the roof, only thing that curbs the appetite.

Also can't cum now, cock goes soft after like 1 minute of wanking.

way too much information

[Wolfox]

As Lyle Mcdonald recommends, drop the protein powders and eat meat proteins. It will fill you up and help with the hunger.

[wes]

Keto sux,just cycle carbs,keep protein high-ish based on your lean bodymass,and do not add in any additional fats,tons of water also.

If you "guessstimate" that your LBM is 155 pounds,take in 180 gms. of protein.

Oh yeah,eat clean.

[Wolfox]

Exactly the diet I am following right now "Ultimate Diet 2", although I just kept going without the refeed so far and I ain't doing his training protocol either with the high rep deplete shit, I don't have energy to go beyond 8 reps max.

Should I just inject the Test E now and carry on, it's sitting on my desk or should I come down to 73-75 kilos before I start.

I'm gonna lose bunch of muscle soon I feel my muscle's eating itself

You shouldn't lose much if any muscle if you're following his dieting guidelines unless youre going really low in bf. if he says do a refeed do a refeed.

[TrueGrit]

Whenever people do it they lose a load of water and glycogen early on and think "this is the answer" ..then the headaches come, the shit breath, the carb cravings .. Eventually, you stabilize and the body gets used to being in ketosis.

However, in my opinion, you can get the same benefits - fat loss/muscle retention - by skirting around ketosis and having a few more carbs to  just keep you out of it.

[Simple Simon]

Whenever people do it they lose a load of water and glycogen early on and think "this is the answer" ..then the headaches come, the shit breath, the carb cravings .. Eventually, you stabilize and the body gets used to being in ketosis.

However, in my opinion, you can get the same benefits - fat loss/muscle retention - by skirting around ketosis and having a few more carbs to  just keep you out of it.

Pretty much, yes.

[wes]

That diet is terrible Joon!

[TrueGrit]

So should I go and have fucking huge Chinese meal now?

I think low carb is a decent approach.  If you're craving then have a giant bowl of fried cabbage, or lots of veggies smothered in butter.

Or say fuck it and have some duck and pancakes, crispy shredded beef and prawn toasts.  

[TrueGrit]

Does anyone wanna play the food porn game with me or the "if I could eat anything I want in the whole wide world right now what would it be?"

Simple Simon I know you would be up for that, what you say?

I made myself pretty hungry posting that Chinky-Chonk meal..

[wes]

MEAL 1-Pre-Workout:
Whey protein powder  scoop
mix in water only
(EAT NO CARBS BEFORE TRAINING)

MEAL 2-Post-Workout:
Whey protein powder in water
1 baked potato

MEAL 3
8 eggwhites
2 whole eggs
1/2 cup oatmeal (no milk,just use artificial sweetener)
16 oz. water


MEAL 4
Chicken breast ( 6 oz. cooked weight)
1 cup brown or white rice
salad with FF or lowfat dressing
16 oz. water

MEAL 5
Chicken breast ( 6oz. cooked weight)
1/2 cup brown rice
Broccoli (chopped) 1 cup
Tomatoes (cherry) 1 cup
Carrots (chopped) 1 cup
16 oz. water

MEAL 6
1 can tuna packed in water,not oil (plain eat it right out of the can,nothing added to it)
16 oz. water

^^^^ Typical lowish carb day ^^^^

Here`s some other stuff I think would help you out and also to make this a higher carb day,just keep it around the same for everything but:

add 1/2 cup rice to Meal # 2

add 1/2 cup rice to Meal # 3

add 1/2 cup oatmeal to Meal # 4

add 1/2 cup rice to Meal # 5

add a baked potato to Meal # 6

(make cuts in the potato and cook in microwave...takes 6-8 minutes depending on size)


If I were you,I would eat the low carb plan for 3 days,followed by the higher carb day for two days and just keep repeating this plan......it`s simple but it works and you are still eating clean.

Always drink a ton of water when dieting.......more water in = more water out....much more....drink it with all your meals..........helps you get shredded much faster for many reasons

You can eat tons of veggies and salads while dieting.....it takes more cals to digest them than they actually contain

So if you get too hungry,just eat some more salad

Rice cakes with natty peanut butter,air-popped popcorn with artificial butter spray are also two good things to eat if cravings come,just don`t pig out on them

DRINK LOTS OF FUCKING WATER  

[TommyBoy]

You cant have refeeds until you get into single digits BF

Absolutely wrong. I did keto with refeeds after three days to get in to the condition I am in the pics underneath my handle. I started in the mid-teens with BF. The beautiful thing about keto is how mind numbingly simple it is. That, and how absolutely breathtakingly delicious your refeeds are.

CYCLE CARBS....EXAMPLE:

Day 1-50 gms.

Day 2-100 gms.

Day 3-150 gms.

Day 4-150 gms.

Day 5-75 gms.

Day 6-50 gms.

Day 7-30 gms.

Repeat and thank me later.......much easier to follow and adhere to as opposed to keto for me anyway.

This is good too, but for my mental health I would need like a billion carbs on day 4  I personally only count protein/fats when dieting since I just go as low carb as possible without breaking 50g (until day 4). Day 4 I go nuts and eat everything.

[Simple Simon]

Absolutely wrong. I did keto with refeeds after three days to get in to the condition I am in the pics underneath my handle. I started in the mid-teens with BF.

Hey, its not my diet he's following
I diet Monday to Friday with weekends off.

[wes]

CYCLE CARBS....EXAMPLE:

Day 1-50 gms.

Day 2-100 gms.

Day 3-150 gms.

Day 4-150 gms.

Day 5-75 gms.

Day 6-50 gms.

Day 7-30 gms.

Repeat and thank me later.......much easier to follow and adhere to as opposed to keto for me anyway.

[TommyBoy]

I love you bro (no homo), your like the uncle I never had.

I'm probably gonna try and survive till Friday night though then I will go have fucking huge binge day and drinks lots of cider and then from Sunday I will do 48 hour water fast and back on to Keto.

Dude, if you have been under 50g of carbs for almost two weeks, go have a cheat day. Adjust the frequency of your cheat days. I say at LEAST once a week.

[wes]

I have to disagree with Tommy Boy,though he makes some sense in his thought.

I would never cheat when trying to get leaner........simply have a high carb day or two in a row all from clean sources.

Cheat days when not lean are dangerous and can often lead to binging .

Just my opinion.

[wes]

Thank you brother you sir are a scholar and gentleman.

Like I will eat what you say after I hit the 75 kilos and start injecting the test just to be on the safe side, cos I can't afford to get fat right now, got 5-6 months to be ready for Vegas and Ibizia

Don`t know if you saw it above,but I wrote out a diet.

Good luck in whatever you decided to do bro.