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McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« on: February 07, 2014, 11:38:57 AM »
what kind of preservatives does McD's use?  Do other fast food chains use the same shit?

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2014, 11:42:01 AM »
what kind of preservatives does McD's use?  Do other fast food chains use the same shit?

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try this:

take a slice of cheap, walmart imitation cheese and put it out of a sidewalk or road somewhere that doesn't get much traffic. that cheese will sit there in the blistering hot sun, doesn't matter if it's 122degrees outside, it'll sit there for MONTHS and hardly change color or melt. even the ant's wont eat it.

true story.

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2014, 11:43:13 AM »
TA's gonna have another meltdown.  :D

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2014, 11:43:39 AM »
what kind of preservatives does McD's use?  Do other fast food chains use the same shit?

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Stop trolling.  Did TA ask you to make this post?   :D

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2014, 01:18:08 PM »
ive eaten burgers atleast once a day nearly all my life i dont see the problem with them

that mexican girl in the video is crazy fine as hell
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2014, 01:19:51 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2014, 01:31:18 PM »
Didn't I hear today that Subway uses ingredient in their bread that is used in yoga matts ??


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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2014, 01:32:44 PM »
Didn't I hear today that Subway uses ingredient in their bread that is used in yoga matts ??



yes, but they are using ingredients approved as safe by the FDA.  People bag on mcdonalds, KFC, subway etc... but they are following FDA guidlines.  It's the FDA that truly needs to be scrutinized.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 01:36:12 PM »
Didn't I hear today that Subway uses ingredient in their bread that is used in yoga matts ??


you know what that means? It means after you do Downward Facing Dog position, you can eat your mat.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2014, 02:41:58 PM »
It's because there's very little water in McDonald's food, I think...

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 05:22:55 PM »
It's because there's very little water in McDonald's food, I think...

This is exactly the reason.

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2014, 05:58:10 PM »
It's because there's very little water in McDonald's food, I think...

i'm sure it has just as much water as other food

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2014, 05:59:29 PM »
Myth.  Already been over this.

Ever heard of dehydrating food?  You can do this with any food.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2014, 06:01:08 PM »

http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/10/the-burger-lab-the-myth-of-the-12-year-old-mcdonalds-hamburger.html



The Burger Lab: The Myth of The 12-Year-Old McDonald's Hamburger
Posted by J. Kenji Lopez-Alt, October 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM

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If you've recently gone for a couple of 88mph spins in a souped-up DeLorean outfitted with a flux capacitor running at 1.21 jigawatts and have somehow ended up in an alternate universe in which internet memes don't exist, then you may not yet have read about the 12-year old McDonald's Hamburger that still looks just like a McDonald's Hamburger. For the rest of you who are already with me, you'll have to indulge me for a moment while I fill-in the time travelers as to what's been going on.

Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food. A noble goal, and one I fully approve of.

The thing is, the hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.

Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.

Now some of you are probably thinking something along the same lines as these women are:

Ladies, Gentleman, and children alike - this is a chemical food. There is absolutely no nutrition here.
Not one ounce of food value. —Karen Hanrahan


Food is SUPPOSED to decompose, go bad and smell foul... Food is broken down into it's essential nutrients in our bodies and turned into fuel. Our children grow strong bodies, when they eat real food. Flies ignore a Happy Meal and microbes don't decompose it, then your child's body can't properly metabolize it either. —Nonna Joann
Most of you are probably thinking just plain, "ew"—a perfectly reasonable reaction to what at first seems like a totally disgusting perversion of nature. I mean, what kind of chemical-laden crap are they stuffing those burgers with to make them last that long?

But then there's a few people who're probably shouting out, "now wait just a minute here! This ain't science!"

You can count me in with that crowd.

The problem with all of these tests is that there is but a single data point, and a single data point is about as useless as a one armed man in a clapping contest. Who knows why those burgers didn't decompose? You could believe the myth that they are packed with preservatives or that they are some kind of nutritional black hole so devoid of sustenance that even bacteria and fungi will not grow on them.

For the record, the McDonald Corporation's official response states:

McDonald's hamburger patties are made with 100% USDA-inspected ground beef, cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else, no preservatives, no fillers.
So who do we believe? Without experimentation, there is no science. Without science, there is no proof. Without proof, there is no truth, and without truth, well where would we be?

It seems to me that the only thing that can last longer than a McDonald's hamburger is an internet meme about them. My project for the next few weeks: design and carry out the first well-documented, scientific experiment to shed some light on whether or not there is something truly evil lurking between the buns. Hopefully we can kill this meme once and for all. Who's with me?

What We Know So Far


So let me amend my previous statement. There is actually a little data out there. Morgan Spurlock, director of the outrageously propogandist documentary Super-Size Me famously aged a McDonald's burger next to a mom & pop burger in glass jars. The burgers all decomposed around the same rate, while the McDonald's fries seemed to last forever.

The blog Snack Girl aged a homemade hamburger next to a McDonald's burger. After 11 days, the homemade burger was covered in green mold, while the McDonald's appeared perfectly fine.

they have failed to isolate the variables.
The problem with these two tests (and several others like it) is that they have failed to isolate the variables. The burgers and fries they were comparing to the McDonald's batch were of a completely different size and completely different moisture level. It's the scientific equivalent of setting up a boxing match between a blue-eyed three-year-old and a green-eyed 20-year-old then declaring that blue eyes make you weak. It's sensationalist and utterly specious.

A truly scientific experiment would need to take all these variables into account and isolate them.

The Setup


I wanted to test the following things:

•Whether it's something in the beef that's keeping the burgers from rotting.
•Whether it's something in the bun that's keeping the burgers from rotting.
•Whether it's some sort of magical alchemic reaction that keeps the burgers from rotting only when a McDonald's patty is in contact with a McDonald's bun.
•Whether it's the size of the patties that are preventing the burger from rotting.
•Whether it's the storage environment that is preventing the burgers from rotting.
I figured that would cover most of my bases and prove whether there's anything inherently different about a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger.


These are the samples I needed:

1.A plain McDonald's hamburger, stored on a plate at room temperature.
2.A homemade burger of the same weight and dimensions as a McDonald's burger (I was fine using a store-bought bun, because who bakes their own buns?)
3.A McDonald's hamburger patty on a store-bought bun.
4.A homemade patty on a McDonald's bun.
5.A McDonald's hamburger stored in its original packaging.
6.A McDonald's hamburger stored in a zipper-lock bag.
7.A plain Quarter Pounder.
8.A homemade quarter pounder.
I went out to the McDonald's next door to gather my testing materials.

"Welcome to McDonald's. Can I take your order sir?" said Megan the floor manager cheerfully (if there's one thing that McDonald's has got plenty of, it's smiles).

"Yes. I'd like three hamburgers, plain. Then I'd like one hamburger plain, but no meat. Then I'd like another hamburger plain, but no bun. After that, I'd like a quarter pounder with cheese—also plain—and finally some fries please; Not those ones—I'll wait for the fresh batch. Thanks!"

The situation was strangely reminiscent of the last time I tried to wrangle an unusual order out of a McDonald's for my French fry testing. I imagined her picturing the three fussy kids, vegetarian wife, brother-in-law with celiac disease, and mother-in-law who likes sesame seeds but not cheese sitting at home waiting for their dinner. I gave her the benefit of the doubt and assumed that she knew the fresh French fries were for myself*—the only sane and sophisticated member of a palate-deprived and ketchup-hating extended family.

"Sure no problem," was her immediate response. "If you want, I can just put in an order for four plain burgers, one with the bun and meat wrapped separate so you don't have to pay for it twice."

"That'll be lovely, thanks."

"It's the least you deserve for placing the most interesting order of the day, sir."

McDonald's HQ: if you're listening, employee of the month right there. Give this woman a raise.

* They were.

The Testing


With burgers in hand, along with a pack of plain, Mcdonald's-sized buns and a few chuck steaks I picked up from the supermarket, I returned home to grind my beef. A little research revealed that regular McDonald's patties are 10 to a pound, or 1.6 ounces. Quarter Pounders, unremarkably, weigh a quarter pound. I weighed out my beef formed them into thin patties slightly wider than the cooked patties I had (to account for shrinkage), seasoned them with salt and pepper, and fried them in a skillet with a little bit of oil. I toasted my store-bought buns, then assembled all of my sample burgers and laid them out on plates.

Now all I needed was a place to store them for a few weeks, preferably without my wife killing me. The kitchen counter was out of the question, as was the dining room table. I couldn't leave it under the bed or the couch or anywhere that a hungry dog could get at them. Since I live in a household with two exceedingly short creatures, my best option was to go high. I picked the shelf above my wife's desk.

After carefully removing the picture frames and other knick-knacks and stashing them in a drawer, I perched my burgers there for the aging. Perfect. Neither overly humid nor dry, average temperature, decent indirect lighting, out of reach of the dog, and stable.



Now I know you're all reading with bated breath—what's the answer? Which ones rotted and which didn't?

Well, I'd sure love to tell you, and I hate to end on a cliffhanger but unfortunately, we're all gonna have to wait a few weeks before I can gather any data worth reporting. Until then, I just hope that my wife doesn't look up and realize that her sister's graduation photo's been replaced by a dessicated meat puck. If that happens, pesky internet memes aren't going to be the only thing getting killed around here.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2014, 06:05:01 PM »
try this:

take a slice of cheap, walmart imitation cheese and put it out of a sidewalk or road somewhere that doesn't get much traffic. that cheese will sit there in the blistering hot sun, doesn't matter if it's 122degrees outside, it'll sit there for MONTHS and hardly change color or melt. even the ant's wont eat it.

true story.
Total bullshit.  Cheese will start to soften by then as all cheeses will do.  Cheese generally melts somewhere between 130-180 degrees depending on the fat content.

The cheese will only sit there for months if it was dried, which any food could potentially "sit there for months" if it was dried properly.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2014, 06:10:06 PM »
The Burger Lab: Revisiting the Myth of The 12-Year Old McDonald's Burger That Just Won't Rot (Testing Results!)
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A few weeks back, I started an experiment designed to prove or disprove whether or not the magic, non-decomposing McDonald's hamburgers that have been making their way around the internet are indeed worthy of disgust or even interest.

By way of introduction, allow myself to quote myself. This is from myprevious article:

    Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food... The hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.

    Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.

The problem with coming to that conclusion, of course, is that if you are a believer in science (and I certainly hope you are!), in order to make a conclusion, you must first start with a few observable premises as a starting point with which you form a theorem, followed by a reasonably rigorous experiment with controls built in place to verify the validity of that theorem.

Thus far, I haven't located a single source that treats this McDonald's hamburger phenomenon in this fashion. Instead, most rely on speculation, specious reasoning, and downright obtuseness to arrive at the conclusion that a McDonald's burger "is a chemical food[, with] absolutely no nutrition."

As I said before, that kind of conclusion is both sensationalistic and specious, and has no place in any of the respectable academic circles which A Hamburger Today would like to consider itself an upstanding member of.
The Theory Behind the Burger

Things we know so far:

    A plain McDonald's Hamburger, when left out in the open air, does not mold or decompose.
    In order for mold to grow, a few things need to be present: mold spores, air, moisture, and a reasonably hospitable climate

Given those two facts, there are a number of theories as to why a McDonald's burger might not rot:

    There is some kind of chemical preservative in the beef and/or bun and/or the wrapping that is not found in a normal burger and/or bun that creates an inhospitable environment for mold to grow.
    The high salt level of a McDonald's burger is preventing the burger from rotting.
    The small size of a McDonald's hamburger is allowing it to dehydrate fast enough that there is not enough moisture present for mold to grow
    There are no mold spores present on McDonald's hamburgers, nor in the air in and around where the burgers were stored.
    There is no air in the the environment where the McDonald's hamburgers were stored

    There's mold everywhere.

Of these theories, we can immediately eliminate 5, for reasons too obvious to enumerate. As for number 4, it's probably true that there are no live molds on a hamburger when you first receive it, as they are cooked on an extremely hot griddle from both sides to an internal temperature of at least 165°F—hot enough to destroy any mold. But in the air where they were stored? Most likely there's mold present. There's mold everywhere.

Theory 1 is the one most often concluded in the various blogs out there, but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence one way or the other. If we are to believe packaging and nutrition labeling (and I see no reason not to), there are preservatives in a McDonald's bun, but no more than in your average loaf of bread from the supermarket. A regular loaf of supermarket bread certainly rots, so why not the McD's? Their beef is also (according to them) 100% ground beef, so nothing funny going on there, is there?

In order for any test to be considered valid, you need to include a control. Something in which you already know whether or not the variable being tested is present.

In the case of these burgers, that means testing a McDonald's burger against a burger that is absolutely known not to contain anything but beef. The only way to do this, of course, is to cook it myself from natural beef ground at home.



I decided to design a series of tests in order to ascertain the likeliness of each one of these separate scenarios (with the exception of the no-air theory, which frankly, doesn't hold wind—get it?). Here's what I had in mind:

    Sample 1: A plain McDonald's hamburger stored on a plate in the open air outside of its wrapper.
    Sample 2: A plain burger made from home-ground fresh all-natural chuck of the exact dimensions as the McDonald's burger, on a standard store-bought toasted bun.
    Sample 3: A plain burger with a home-ground patty, but a McDonald's bun.
    Sample 4: A plain burger with a McDonald's patty on a store-bought bun.*
    Sample 5: A plain McDonald's burger stored in its original packaging.
    Sample 6: A plain McDonald's burger made without any salt, stored in the open air.
    Sample 7: A plain McDonald's Quarter Pounder, stored in the open air.
    Sample 8: A homemade burger the exact dimension of a McDonald's Quarter Pounder.
    Sample 9:A plain McDonald's Angus Third Pounder, stored in the open air

*To read about the fascinating manner in which I procured these plain patties, please refer to the original post.

You may notice that my protocols have been slightly expanded since I first laid them out to you a few weeks ago. That's due to several good ideas in the comments section which I incorporated into my testing the day after the initial publication.



Every day, I monitored the progress of the burgers, weighing each one, and carefully checking for spots of mold growth or other indications of decay. The burgers were left in the open air, but handled only with clean kitchen tools or through clean plastic bags (no direct contact with my hands until the last day).

At this point, it's been 25 days, 23 calm, cool, and collected discussions with my wife about whether that smell in the apartment is coming from the burgers or from the dog, and 16 nights spent sleeping on the couch in the aftermath of those calm, cool, and collected discussions. Asides from my mother, my wife is the fiercest discusser I know.

Frankly, I'm glad this damn experiment is over. On to the results.
The Results

Well, well, well. Turns out that not only did the regular McDonald's burgers not rot, but the home-ground burgers did not rot either. Samples one through five had shrunk a bit (especially the beef patties), but they showed no signs of decomposition. What does this mean?

It means that there's nothing that strange about a McDonald's burger not rotting. Any burger of the same shape will act the same way. The real question is, why?

Well, here's another piece of evidence: Burger number 6, made with no salt, did not rot either, indicating that the salt level has nothing to do with it.

And then we get to the burgers that did show some signs of decay.

Take a look at both the homemade and the McDonald's Quarter Pounder patties:


Very interesting indeed. Sure, there's a slight difference in the actual amount of mold grown, and the homemade patty on the right seems to have shrunk more than the actual Quarter Pounder on the left (I blame that mostly on the way the patties were formed), but on the whole, the results are remarkably similar. That a Quarter Pounder grows mold but a regular-sized McDonald's burger doesn't is some pretty strong evidence in support of Theory 3 from above. Because of the larger size of a Quarter Pounder, it simply takes longer to dehydrate, giving mold more of a chance to grow.

We can prove this by examining the weight charts between the regular burger and the Quarter Pounder. Take a look:


This chart represents the amount of weight lost from the burgers through evaporation every day (both starting weights have been normalized to 1). As you can see, by the end of 2 weeks, both the regular burgers and the Quarter Pounders ended up losing about 31% of their total weight and are pretty much stable. They are essentially burger-jerky. A completely dehydrated product that will never rot, as without moisture, nothing can survive.

    93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days

Now the interesting part of the charts is during the first 4 days. As you can see, the blue line representing the regular burger dips down much more precipitously than the red line representing the Quarter Pounder. In fact, 93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days, which means that unless mold gets a chance to grow within that time frame, it's pretty much never going to grow.

The Quarter Pounder, on the other hand, takes a full 7 days to dehydrate to the same degree. It's during this extra three day period that the mold growth began to appear (and of course, once the burger had dehydrated sufficiently, the mold growth stopped—the burger looked the same on day 14 as they did on day 7). For the record, the Angus Third Pounder also showed a similar degree of mold growth in the same time frame.
So Can It Mold?

So we've pretty much cleared up all of the confusion, but a keen scientist will notice that one question remains to be answered. We've proven that neither a McDonald's burger nor a regular home-made burger will rot given certain specific conditions, but are there conditions we can create that will cause it to rot, and more importantly, will the McDonald's burger rot as fast as the homemade burger?

The final two burgers I tested were a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger of the same dimensions placed in plastic zipper-lock bags side by side. Hopefully the bag would trap in enough moisture. The question: Would they rot?



Indeed they do. Within a week, both burgers were nearly covered in little white spots of mold, eventually turning into the green and black spotted beast you see above.
The Conclusion

   how do you think beef jerky is made?

So there we have it! Pretty strong evidence in favor of Theory 3: the burger doesn't rot because it's small size and relatively large surface area help it to lose moisture very fast. Without moisture, there's no mold or bacterial growth. Of course, that the meat is pretty much sterile to begin with due to the high cooking temperature helps things along as well. It's not really surprising. Humans have known about this phenomenon for thousands of years. After all, how do you think beef jerky is made?

Now don't get me wrong—I don't have a dog in this fight either way. I really couldn't care less whether or not the McDonald's burger rotted or didn't. I don't often eat their burgers, and will continue to not often eat their burgers. My problem is not with McDonald's. My problem is with bad science.

For all of you McDonald's haters out there: Don't worry. There are still plenty of reasons to dislike the company! But for now, I hope you'll have it my way and put aside your beef with their beef.

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2014, 07:23:08 PM »
The Burger Lab: Revisiting the Myth of The 12-Year Old McDonald's Burger That Just Won't Rot (Testing Results!)
Nov 5, 2010
9:00 AM 91 Comments
Tags:

  


[Photographs: J. Kenji Lopez-Alt]


A few weeks back, I started an experiment designed to prove or disprove whether or not the magic, non-decomposing McDonald's hamburgers that have been making their way around the internet are indeed worthy of disgust or even interest.

By way of introduction, allow myself to quote myself. This is from myprevious article:

    Back in 2008, Karen Hanrahan, of the blog Best of Mother Earth posted a picture of a hamburger that she uses as a prop for a class she teaches on how to help parents keep their children away from junk food... The hamburger she's been using as a prop is the same plain McDonald's hamburger she's been using for what's now going on 14 years. It looks pretty much identical to how it did the day she bought it, and she's not had to use any means of preservation. The burger travels with her, and sits at room temperature.

    Now Karen is neither the first nor last to document this very same phenomenon. Artist Sally Davies photographs her 137 day-old hamburger every day for her Happy Meal Art Project. Nonna Joann has chosen to store her happy meal for a year on her blog rather than feed it to her kids. Dozens of other examples exist, and most of them come to the same conclusion: McDonald's hamburgers don't rot.

The problem with coming to that conclusion, of course, is that if you are a believer in science (and I certainly hope you are!), in order to make a conclusion, you must first start with a few observable premises as a starting point with which you form a theorem, followed by a reasonably rigorous experiment with controls built in place to verify the validity of that theorem.

Thus far, I haven't located a single source that treats this McDonald's hamburger phenomenon in this fashion. Instead, most rely on speculation, specious reasoning, and downright obtuseness to arrive at the conclusion that a McDonald's burger "is a chemical food[, with] absolutely no nutrition."

As I said before, that kind of conclusion is both sensationalistic and specious, and has no place in any of the respectable academic circles which A Hamburger Today would like to consider itself an upstanding member of.
The Theory Behind the Burger

Things we know so far:

    A plain McDonald's Hamburger, when left out in the open air, does not mold or decompose.
    In order for mold to grow, a few things need to be present: mold spores, air, moisture, and a reasonably hospitable climate

Given those two facts, there are a number of theories as to why a McDonald's burger might not rot:

    There is some kind of chemical preservative in the beef and/or bun and/or the wrapping that is not found in a normal burger and/or bun that creates an inhospitable environment for mold to grow.
    The high salt level of a McDonald's burger is preventing the burger from rotting.
    The small size of a McDonald's hamburger is allowing it to dehydrate fast enough that there is not enough moisture present for mold to grow
    There are no mold spores present on McDonald's hamburgers, nor in the air in and around where the burgers were stored.
    There is no air in the the environment where the McDonald's hamburgers were stored

    There's mold everywhere.

Of these theories, we can immediately eliminate 5, for reasons too obvious to enumerate. As for number 4, it's probably true that there are no live molds on a hamburger when you first receive it, as they are cooked on an extremely hot griddle from both sides to an internal temperature of at least 165°F—hot enough to destroy any mold. But in the air where they were stored? Most likely there's mold present. There's mold everywhere.

Theory 1 is the one most often concluded in the various blogs out there, but there doesn't seem to be strong evidence one way or the other. If we are to believe packaging and nutrition labeling (and I see no reason not to), there are preservatives in a McDonald's bun, but no more than in your average loaf of bread from the supermarket. A regular loaf of supermarket bread certainly rots, so why not the McD's? Their beef is also (according to them) 100% ground beef, so nothing funny going on there, is there?

In order for any test to be considered valid, you need to include a control. Something in which you already know whether or not the variable being tested is present.

In the case of these burgers, that means testing a McDonald's burger against a burger that is absolutely known not to contain anything but beef. The only way to do this, of course, is to cook it myself from natural beef ground at home.



I decided to design a series of tests in order to ascertain the likeliness of each one of these separate scenarios (with the exception of the no-air theory, which frankly, doesn't hold wind—get it?). Here's what I had in mind:

    Sample 1: A plain McDonald's hamburger stored on a plate in the open air outside of its wrapper.
    Sample 2: A plain burger made from home-ground fresh all-natural chuck of the exact dimensions as the McDonald's burger, on a standard store-bought toasted bun.
    Sample 3: A plain burger with a home-ground patty, but a McDonald's bun.
    Sample 4: A plain burger with a McDonald's patty on a store-bought bun.*
    Sample 5: A plain McDonald's burger stored in its original packaging.
    Sample 6: A plain McDonald's burger made without any salt, stored in the open air.
    Sample 7: A plain McDonald's Quarter Pounder, stored in the open air.
    Sample 8: A homemade burger the exact dimension of a McDonald's Quarter Pounder.
    Sample 9:A plain McDonald's Angus Third Pounder, stored in the open air

*To read about the fascinating manner in which I procured these plain patties, please refer to the original post.

You may notice that my protocols have been slightly expanded since I first laid them out to you a few weeks ago. That's due to several good ideas in the comments section which I incorporated into my testing the day after the initial publication.



Every day, I monitored the progress of the burgers, weighing each one, and carefully checking for spots of mold growth or other indications of decay. The burgers were left in the open air, but handled only with clean kitchen tools or through clean plastic bags (no direct contact with my hands until the last day).

At this point, it's been 25 days, 23 calm, cool, and collected discussions with my wife about whether that smell in the apartment is coming from the burgers or from the dog, and 16 nights spent sleeping on the couch in the aftermath of those calm, cool, and collected discussions. Asides from my mother, my wife is the fiercest discusser I know.

Frankly, I'm glad this damn experiment is over. On to the results.
The Results

Well, well, well. Turns out that not only did the regular McDonald's burgers not rot, but the home-ground burgers did not rot either. Samples one through five had shrunk a bit (especially the beef patties), but they showed no signs of decomposition. What does this mean?

It means that there's nothing that strange about a McDonald's burger not rotting. Any burger of the same shape will act the same way. The real question is, why?

Well, here's another piece of evidence: Burger number 6, made with no salt, did not rot either, indicating that the salt level has nothing to do with it.

And then we get to the burgers that did show some signs of decay.

Take a look at both the homemade and the McDonald's Quarter Pounder patties:


Very interesting indeed. Sure, there's a slight difference in the actual amount of mold grown, and the homemade patty on the right seems to have shrunk more than the actual Quarter Pounder on the left (I blame that mostly on the way the patties were formed), but on the whole, the results are remarkably similar. That a Quarter Pounder grows mold but a regular-sized McDonald's burger doesn't is some pretty strong evidence in support of Theory 3 from above. Because of the larger size of a Quarter Pounder, it simply takes longer to dehydrate, giving mold more of a chance to grow.

We can prove this by examining the weight charts between the regular burger and the Quarter Pounder. Take a look:


This chart represents the amount of weight lost from the burgers through evaporation every day (both starting weights have been normalized to 1). As you can see, by the end of 2 weeks, both the regular burgers and the Quarter Pounders ended up losing about 31% of their total weight and are pretty much stable. They are essentially burger-jerky. A completely dehydrated product that will never rot, as without moisture, nothing can survive.

    93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days

Now the interesting part of the charts is during the first 4 days. As you can see, the blue line representing the regular burger dips down much more precipitously than the red line representing the Quarter Pounder. In fact, 93% of the moisture loss in a regular burger occurs within the first three days, which means that unless mold gets a chance to grow within that time frame, it's pretty much never going to grow.

The Quarter Pounder, on the other hand, takes a full 7 days to dehydrate to the same degree. It's during this extra three day period that the mold growth began to appear (and of course, once the burger had dehydrated sufficiently, the mold growth stopped—the burger looked the same on day 14 as they did on day 7). For the record, the Angus Third Pounder also showed a similar degree of mold growth in the same time frame.
So Can It Mold?

So we've pretty much cleared up all of the confusion, but a keen scientist will notice that one question remains to be answered. We've proven that neither a McDonald's burger nor a regular home-made burger will rot given certain specific conditions, but are there conditions we can create that will cause it to rot, and more importantly, will the McDonald's burger rot as fast as the homemade burger?

The final two burgers I tested were a McDonald's burger and a regular homemade burger of the same dimensions placed in plastic zipper-lock bags side by side. Hopefully the bag would trap in enough moisture. The question: Would they rot?



Indeed they do. Within a week, both burgers were nearly covered in little white spots of mold, eventually turning into the green and black spotted beast you see above.
The Conclusion

   how do you think beef jerky is made?

So there we have it! Pretty strong evidence in favor of Theory 3: the burger doesn't rot because it's small size and relatively large surface area help it to lose moisture very fast. Without moisture, there's no mold or bacterial growth. Of course, that the meat is pretty much sterile to begin with due to the high cooking temperature helps things along as well. It's not really surprising. Humans have known about this phenomenon for thousands of years. After all, how do you think beef jerky is made?

Now don't get me wrong—I don't have a dog in this fight either way. I really couldn't care less whether or not the McDonald's burger rotted or didn't. I don't often eat their burgers, and will continue to not often eat their burgers. My problem is not with McDonald's. My problem is with bad science.

For all of you McDonald's haters out there: Don't worry. There are still plenty of reasons to dislike the company! But for now, I hope you'll have it my way and put aside your beef with their beef.

good post

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2014, 07:25:38 PM »
Total bullshit.  Cheese will start to soften by then as all cheeses will do.  Cheese generally melts somewhere between 130-180 degrees depending on the fat content.

The cheese will only sit there for months if it was dried, which any food could potentially "sit there for months" if it was dried properly.


I'm not going to debate this with you, you fucking pedophile.

go back tying strings unto jolly ranchers and patrolling playgrounds.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2014, 07:55:19 PM »

I'm not going to debate this with you, you fucking pedophile.

go back tying strings unto jolly ranchers and patrolling playgrounds.
Good.  Good.  Lash out because you are proven to be a moron yet again.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2014, 08:02:51 PM »
Good.  Good.  Lash out because you are proven to be a moron yet again.

proven how? and by whom?

go back to watching reruns of Full House and keep your kiddie-porn-watching ass off bodybuilding boards.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2014, 08:10:18 PM »
proven how? and by whom?

go back to watching reruns of Full House and keep your kiddie-porn-watching ass off bodybuilding boards.
Proven by whom?

You act as if this is an elusive concept that only a Nobel Laureate could solve instead of a 2nd grader at a Science Fair (which this really is, elementary stuff every idiot and 8 year old should know).

Somehow, this is not the case with you.  So my question is, are you really this stupid or just ignorant?  Nothing wrong with being ignorant.  I am ignorant of self-surgery and prison fighting.  Perhaps you are just ignorant of primary school science concepts.  ???

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2014, 08:35:54 PM »
Proven by whom?

You act as if this is an elusive concept that only a Nobel Laureate could solve instead of a 2nd grader at a Science Fair (which this really is, elementary stuff every idiot and 8 year old should know).

Somehow, this is not the case with you.  So my question is, are you really this stupid or just ignorant?  Nothing wrong with being ignorant.  I am ignorant of self-surgery and prison fighting.  Perhaps you are just ignorant of primary school science concepts.  ???

add reading comprehension to that list as well, child molestor.

you know, with all the child porn on your PC, the feds (it's usually ICE) is surely monitoring your internet activities, you're drawing police to this board. you're a liability.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2014, 08:46:28 PM »
Excellent posts, True Adonis.  I was a doubter but those posts are incontrovertible.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2014, 08:50:56 PM »
Excellent posts, True Adonis.  I was a doubter but those posts are incontrovertible.
It really bugs me that these myths circulate, make national news and stick as if they are true.  Its bad science and the average person will never think twice about it or realize that its completely wrong.  Even the moron who walks around with the dehydrated burger didn`t know any better.

Its a common thing with not only food (especially food though), but pretty much everything in general.

Why people would want to go around believing myths, I have no clue.  Its easy to sell for shock value I suppose.

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Re: McDonalds food quality - doesn't decompose? True Adonis?
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2014, 08:53:20 PM »
add reading comprehension to that list as well, child molestor.

you know, with all the child porn on your PC, the feds (it's usually ICE) is surely monitoring your internet activities, you're drawing police to this board. you're a liability.
Why would you say such a thing?