Rand Paul: Texas Could Go Blue If GOP Doesn't Change

[LurkerNoMore]

Black people are overwhelmingly more criminal than any other race.

Black people only make up 12% of the US Pop.

 
 
LOL

I don't know though.... some of those beanybeaner guys are pretty high up the damn list too.

[StreetSoldier4U]

 
LOL

I don't know though.... some of those beanybeaner guys are pretty high up the damn list too.

It's true. 

[LurkerNoMore]

It's true. 

I won't argue that.

[tonymctones]

Sure, that's right.  Except that the poor white vote will be split between right and left (thanks Christians!) and the poor black vote will be much closer to totally left (especially with a candidate like Obama). 

So the net effect will be that more dem votes are discouraged than repub votes. 

Somewhere you wrote that these are all assumptions and you're correct in that.  But these are assumptions that the republican party is making, too.  Which is why Voter ID laws are being pushed by the right.  (They know if everyone voted they wouldn't win much at all.)

Here's some more raw meat for ya:  Voter ID laws also discourage female voters more than male voters, too.  Can you guess why?

LMFAO such horse shit but you believe the stupidity so whatever.

voter id laws dont discourage people from voting anymore than gun laws discourage people from owning a gun

such stupidity!!! LMFAO

[Option D]

Every hispanic I know is conservative, you have to realize that most hispanics especially first and second generation are catholics.

You know part of that group libtards like to make fun of?

This is totally true... I live in two highly Hispanic areas. Los Angeles and Puerto Rico. 2nd Generation Hispanics from the OC and places like that are well to do religious and conservative. BUT...here in puerto rico... Most are democrats as this is the epitome of a welfare state. The way out for most of the youngsters here is to join the army.  But most everyone here is on welfare

[dario73]

LMFAO such horse shit but you believe the stupidity so whatever.

voter id laws dont discourage people from voting anymore than gun laws discourage people from owning a gun

such stupidity!!! LMFAO

Absolutely true. But morons like the one you responded just repeat talking points without actually looking at voter turnout AFTER voter id laws were implemented.

Let's read what happened in Georgia.

Minority turnout increased dramatically after Georgia voter-ID law

Politico’s Mike Allen called this “the most surprising story of the day” [see update!], which really only applies to the hysterics and the demagogues who oppose measures to combat ballot fraud.  After Georgia passed a voter-ID requirement in time for the 2008 election cycle, critics claimed that it would suppress black and Hispanic votes and lead to a new era of Jim Crow.  Instead, as the Atlanta Journal-Constitution discovered, it’s led to a new era of eating crow (via The Corner):

When Georgia became one of the first states in the nation to demand a photo ID at the ballot box, both sides served up dire predictions. Opponents labeled it a Jim Crow-era tactic that would suppress the minority vote. Supporters insisted it was needed to combat fraud that imperiled the integrity of the elections process.

But both claims were overblown, according to a review of by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution of statewide voting patterns in the five years since the law took effect.

Turnout among black and Hispanic voters increased from 2006 to 2010, dramatically outpacing population growth for those groups over the same period.

The AJC frames this in a strange manner, comparing a factual with a hypothetical counterfactual:

"On the other hand, Georgia’s top elections official could not point to a single case of ballot fraud the voter ID law had prevented."

Er, perhaps that’s because it actually prevented the ballot fraud from taking place.  Either the top elections official doesn’t understand the word “prevented” or the reporter doesn’t.

[dario73]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/opinion/preston-texas-id-laws/

Texas voter ID law didn't suppress vote

Democrats who oppose voter ID have consistently claimed that it suppresses votes. If they are correct, then Texas should have seen turnout drop off in 2013 compared with the closest comparable election.

The 2013 election in Texas was an off-year, constitutional amendment election. Texas holds constitutional amendment elections every two years, after its legislative sessions, to give Texans the opportunity to approve or reject items that the legislature has approved for a vote. The Texas secretary of state administers elections and posts totals going back to 1992.

According to the Texas secretary of state's office, 10 amendments were up for vote in 2011, the last constitutional amendment election before the voter ID law passed. Some issues received more votes than others. The one most voted on received 690,052 votes, for and against. Overall, an average of about 672,874 Texans voted on these 10 constitutional amendments

If voter ID suppressed votes, we should see a drop in turnout, right? Well, according to the Texas secretary of state's office, nine amendments went up for vote in 2013. The amendment that attracted the most votes, Proposition One, attracted 1,144,844. The average number of votes cast in 2013 was 1,099,670.

Turnout for the 2011 election was 5.37% of registered voters; for 2013 it was about 8%.

Democrats allege that voter ID will suppress the vote in predominantly Hispanic regions. Hidalgo County sits on the Texas-Mexico border and is 90% Hispanic. In 2011, an average of just over 4,000 voted in the constitutional amendment election. In 2013, an average of over 16,000 voted.

[RRKore]

LMFAO such horse shit but you believe the stupidity so whatever.

voter id laws dont discourage people from voting anymore than gun laws discourage people from owning a gun

such stupidity!!! LMFAO

Explain how it's stupid, then.  Anyone can just throw around insults, ya fat little slant-eyed bastard.

[RRKore]

This is totally true... I live in two highly Hispanic areas. Los Angeles and Puerto Rico. 2nd Generation Hispanics from the OC and places like that are well to do religious and conservative. BUT...here in puerto rico... Most are democrats as this is the epitome of a welfare state. The way out for most of the youngsters here is to join the army.  But most everyone here is on welfare

Hey OD, is it possible that Hispanics from the OC being politically conservative has more to do with being from the OC?  (I've been working in Irvine a lot lately and I see mostly rich folks there...)

[dario73]

YES, IT'S STUPID TO THINK VOTER ID LAWS DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM VOTING.

Absolutely true. But morons like the one you responded just repeat talking points without actually looking at voter turnout AFTER voter id laws were implemented.

Let's read what happened in Georgia.

Minority turnout increased dramatically after Georgia voter-ID law

Politico’s Mike Allen called this “the most surprising story of the day” [see update!], which really only applies to the hysterics and the demagogues who oppose measures to combat ballot fraud.  After Georgia passed a voter-ID requirement in time for the 2008 election cycle, critics claimed that it would suppress black and Hispanic votes and lead to a new era of Jim Crow.  Instead, as the Atlanta Journal-Constitution discovered, it’s led to a new era of eating crow (via The Corner):

When Georgia became one of the first states in the nation to demand a photo ID at the ballot box, both sides served up dire predictions. Opponents labeled it a Jim Crow-era tactic that would suppress the minority vote. Supporters insisted it was needed to combat fraud that imperiled the integrity of the elections process.

But both claims were overblown, according to a review of by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution of statewide voting patterns in the five years since the law took effect.

Turnout among black and Hispanic voters increased from 2006 to 2010, dramatically outpacing population growth for those groups over the same period.

The AJC frames this in a strange manner, comparing a factual with a hypothetical counterfactual:

"On the other hand, Georgia’s top elections official could not point to a single case of ballot fraud the voter ID law had prevented."

Er, perhaps that’s because it actually prevented the ballot fraud from taking place.  Either the top elections official doesn’t understand the word “prevented” or the reporter doesn’t.

[RRKore]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/opinion/preston-texas-id-laws/

Texas voter ID law didn't suppress vote

Democrats who oppose voter ID have consistently claimed that it suppresses votes. If they are correct, then Texas should have seen turnout drop off in 2013 compared with the closest comparable election.

The 2013 election in Texas was an off-year, constitutional amendment election. Texas holds constitutional amendment elections every two years, after its legislative sessions, to give Texans the opportunity to approve or reject items that the legislature has approved for a vote. The Texas secretary of state administers elections and posts totals going back to 1992.

According to the Texas secretary of state's office, 10 amendments were up for vote in 2011, the last constitutional amendment election before the voter ID law passed. Some issues received more votes than others. The one most voted on received 690,052 votes, for and against. Overall, an average of about 672,874 Texans voted on these 10 constitutional amendments

If voter ID suppressed votes, we should see a drop in turnout, right? Well, according to the Texas secretary of state's office, nine amendments went up for vote in 2013. The amendment that attracted the most votes, Proposition One, attracted 1,144,844. The average number of votes cast in 2013 was 1,099,670.

Turnout for the 2011 election was 5.37% of registered voters; for 2013 it was about 8%.

Democrats allege that voter ID will suppress the vote in predominantly Hispanic regions. Hidalgo County sits on the Texas-Mexico border and is 90% Hispanic. In 2011, an average of just over 4,000 voted in the constitutional amendment election. In 2013, an average of over 16,000 voted.

Goddamn, you're dumb.  

Voter ID laws don't discourage voting in much in general (or much at all, really) -- I've seen estimates of a 1% - 3% suppressive effect on dem voters.  

So, basically, no one is saying that the difference is enough to sway the results of any but the closest of elections.  The point is that shady-ass repubs know that popular opinion is mostly against them (IRL -- here on GB, it's another story, lol) so they're trying to affect election outcomes by putting obstacles in the path of those who would likely not vote for them.  (Voter ID laws aren't the worst thing they've done in this vein -- Look up gerrymandering in Texas by Tom Delay to really see what's up.)

[dario73]

YES, IT'S STUPID TO THINK VOTER ID LAWS DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM VOTING.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/opinion/preston-texas-id-laws/

Texas voter ID law didn't suppress vote

Democrats who oppose voter ID have consistently claimed that it suppresses votes. If they are correct, then Texas should have seen turnout drop off in 2013 compared with the closest comparable election.

The 2013 election in Texas was an off-year, constitutional amendment election. Texas holds constitutional amendment elections every two years, after its legislative sessions, to give Texans the opportunity to approve or reject items that the legislature has approved for a vote. The Texas secretary of state administers elections and posts totals going back to 1992.

According to the Texas secretary of state's office, 10 amendments were up for vote in 2011, the last constitutional amendment election before the voter ID law passed. Some issues received more votes than others. The one most voted on received 690,052 votes, for and against. Overall, an average of about 672,874 Texans voted on these 10 constitutional amendments

If voter ID suppressed votes, we should see a drop in turnout, right? Well, according to the Texas secretary of state's office, nine amendments went up for vote in 2013. The amendment that attracted the most votes, Proposition One, attracted 1,144,844. The average number of votes cast in 2013 was 1,099,670.

Turnout for the 2011 election was 5.37% of registered voters; for 2013 it was about 8%.

Democrats allege that voter ID will suppress the vote in predominantly Hispanic regions. Hidalgo County sits on the Texas-Mexico border and is 90% Hispanic. In 2011, an average of just over 4,000 voted in the constitutional amendment election. In 2013, an average of over 16,000 voted.

[RRKore]

YES, IT'S STUPID TO THINK VOTER ID LAWS DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM VOTING.

If you say it enough times, it will be true, right?

[dario73]

Faced with facts, the retards on the left deflect.

Keep deflecting, morons.

[RRKore]

Faced with facts, the retards on the left deflect.

Keep deflecting, morons.

Faced with a nuanced argument, morons like Dario will jump to the wrong conclusions.  Drive on, retard.

[dario73]

Voting did not decrease in those 2 states, nor in other states, that enacted voter id laws.

Yet, there is a libtard on this thread who continues to repeat the leftist lie.

[RRKore]

Voting did not decrease in those 2 states, nor in other states, that enacted voter id laws.

Yet, there is a libtard on this thread who continues to repeat the leftist lie.

Was I not clear enough? 

The effect of Voter ID laws on the number of total voters is negligible. There are probably a million and 1 factors that are more important when it comes to turnout.

The intended effect of Voter ID laws (besides, haha, reducing voter fraud) is to suppress the vote of the poor.

Luckily for you, the voting public is made up of more than just folks on this sub-forum (who talk seriously about whether it might be OK to only let folks with money vote, fer fuck's sake).

[StreetSoldier4U]

Was I not clear enough? 

The effect of Voter ID laws on the number of total voters is negligible. There are probably a million and 1 factors that are more important when it comes to turnout.

The intended effect of Voter ID laws (besides, haha, reducing voter fraud) is to suppress the vote of the poor.

Luckily for you, the voting public is made up of more than just folks on this sub-forum (who talk seriously about whether it might be OK to only let folks with money vote, fer fuck's sake).

What's so hard about obtaining identification?  You need it for employment and other things.   

[Dos Equis]

The intended effect of Voter ID laws (besides, haha, reducing voter fraud) is to suppress the vote of the poor.

On what basis do you conclude this? 

[RRKore]

What's so hard about obtaining identification?  You need it for employment and other things.   

Yeah, but if you're 80 years old and poor, it's difficult. 

If the Voter ID laws provide for making it easier for super-poor, super-old, and super- old and poor folks to get the ID's, then I'm all for it.

[StreetSoldier4U]

Yeah, but if you're 80 years old and poor, it's difficult. 

If the Voter ID laws provide for making it easier for super-poor, super-old, and super- old and poor folks to get the ID's, then I'm all for it.

In the example you provided only a very small number of people would be effected.  I see no sense in abandoning the whole idea of providing identification for the sake of a small few.  They have the ability to vote absentee.

[RRKore]

On what basis do you conclude this? 

Besides the arguments on left-leaning websites about the lack of voter fraud that these laws ostensibly address?

Well, there are stories like this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/28/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html

BB, have you really not read any of this kind of stuff?

[RRKore]

In the example you provided only a very small number of people would be effected. 

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Absolutely true.

As one clever libtard put it:  "Chipping away at democracy, one vote at a time."

[StreetSoldier4U]

Absolutely true.

As one clever libtard put it:  "Chipping away at democracy, one vote at a time."

That's nothing but hyperbole. You have to ask yourself what kind of voter a person who has no form of identification is going to be.  If you as a private citizen wants to help those without ID obtain it than by all means more power to you but the government doesn't need to be in the business of managing a persons responsibilities.

[Dos Equis]

Besides the arguments on left-leaning websites about the lack of voter fraud that these laws ostensibly address?

Well, there are stories like this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/28/republicans-admit-voter-id-laws-are-aimed-at-democratic-voters.html

BB, have you really not read any of this kind of stuff?

Thanks for the link.  It doesn't support your contention that voter ID laws are intended to suppress poor people's votes.  

No, I have not read the kinds of stories you just posted, and I'm glad I haven't.  Did you actually read it?  

This whole notion that requiring an ID is a form of voter suppression is just downright silly.