I think only property owning, taxpaying citizens should be able to vote

[tonymctones]

my question is how is it restrictive to force people to get an id or not be able to vote but its not restrictive to force someone to obtain insurance or get fined?

[JBGRAY]

Of course Democrats do not want voters producing ID...it is the masses of illegal aliens, ex-convicts, and the welfare-sucking populace that flock to the Democrats for a handout.  Unfortunately, the top 1% also vote and support overwhelmingly Democratic causes.

[dario73]

That's stupid we have a black president so his people should be able to vote

So race overrides qualification.

No wonder this country is in the toilet.

[dario73]

you dont understand guys its extremely restrictive to force someone to obtain an id, but it is not restrictive at all to force someone to obtain insurance...

LOL!!

Libtards are the masters of idiocy.

[falco]

It really doesn't matter who vote because democracy is gonne. People think they live in democracy but it's just disguised fascism.

[dario73]

Awkward: Protestors Marching Against North Carolina's Voter ID Law Required to Bring Photo ID


Despite 75 percent of North Carolinians agreeing that some form of voter identification is necessary and eight out of 10 residents considering the law to be fair to all voters, there have been large protests in the state's capital against requiring voters to show a form of identification.

While this is the United States and all citizens have the freedom to protest, there is one hilarious twist to this "Moral March" against voter ID: In order to attend the march, march organizers have required that a marcher must bring one of the forms of ID that they would have to show at a voting booth.

States with voter ID laws have seen increased turnout in voters.

In addition to needing an ID to protest voter ID laws, citizens of North Carolina will need a valid form of identification to fly commercially, ride Amtrak, enter federal buildings, use credit cards, buy cough syrup, cigarettes, and alcohol, apply for welfare, cash a check, register for school, and apply for a job.

[JOHN MATRIX]

One should have to be a taxpayer in order to vote, also id like it if they had to have a certain basic intelligence level.

[_bruce_]

Of course Democrats do not want voters producing ID...it is the masses of illegal aliens, ex-convicts, and the welfare-sucking populace that flock to the Democrats for a handout.  Unfortunately, the top 1% also vote and support overwhelmingly Democratic causes.

Most important point here.

[StreetSoldier4U]

Doesn't a person need identification to get a job? 

[dario73]

Doesn't a person need identification to get a job? 

Yes, they do.

Even to enter some buildings, like a retirement home, you need an ID.

But, it's too much to ask for an ID before letting someone vote. Really?

[RRKore]

...

lack of proof for the null does not prove the alternative

Doesn't that mean that there is no sort of proof you'd accept then?

Face it, Tony, voter fraud isn't at all common.  If it were, isn't it logical that there are more than enough interested parties that'd be trumpeting it from the rooftops?

[RRKore]

I could get down with a if you receive hand outs you dont get a vote law...

I don't know if you've thought this through at all (but that's why these discussions are useful, eh?)

What do you call a "hand out", anyway?  And are you even halfway familiar with how many different types of folks get money from the gov't?  (Besides the single mom welfare recipients that you like to demonize, lol.)

So farmers who receive gov't money for not growing certain crops wouldn't get to vote?  Corporations that receive special tax breaks?  What about all those banks that took bailout money?  Would all their workers not get to vote or just top management?

[RRKore]

I made this thread after reading in a thread where it was said to be racist to enforce voter ID card laws, and that it was because blacks and other minorities were disproportionately poor and could not afford a $10 ID.  I say take it one step further, only allow property owning, tax payers the right to vote.  And by property, I mean anything that is taxed, such as cars, land, homes etc.  Seems to me, that if only those types of people could vote, you'd get rid of the votes of all morons, poor whites too.  What say you Getbig?

I say that this is pretty much the system they had in the earliest days of the USA and there was a lot of civil discontent because of it.  (And I don't just mean demonstrations -- I mean mobs of poor folks seizing the property of rich folks.) 

you'd be making it even easier for the rich to rule all. 

BTW, I guess you're not including sales tax, right?  --  Yo, I just bought some property on which I was taxed (Ok, a pack of smokes) which way to the voting booth?

[RRKore]

I agree my point in voting being restricted to those who dont get govt hand outs is that they arent able to vote themselves more hand outs...

Holy shit -- "Voting themselves more handouts"? 

So I guess you must totally be freaking out when it comes to our current system of how those in congress are elected, right?

[JOHN MATRIX]

How can you possibly defend not needing a basic ID showing you are a citizen to vote???

How can this in any possible way be construed as a bad thing or 'unjust'?

[RRKore]

How can you possibly defend not needing a basic ID showing you are a citizen to vote???

How can this in any possible way be construed as a bad thing or 'unjust'?

Good points because believe it or not I DO think that everyone should have some sort of basic ID (with a photo, fingerprint, retinal scan or whatever).

The problem is that places are putting these reasonable laws in effect but making it very difficult for folks to comply. 

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/texas-granny-collides-texas-voterid-law
This doesn't affect many folks at all, but how about 80-year old women who not only need a birth certificate (difficult enough for some) but also a marriage certificate (to explain a name change that happened 60 years ago) and the agency won't accept an expired driver's license with a photo ID?

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/

So, JM, I agree with you that Voter ID's are a good thing.  I just think these laws are passed and not enough effort is made to help those (seniors and the very poor) comply who can't bop on down to DMV as you or I can.

Speaking of which, WTF is up with DMV's in certain (Southern?) states?  I thought it was just me that noticed a hilariously authoritative attitude among NC DMV workers (they think they're big shit instead realizing that they work a boring and low-paying job) but while reading accounts of folks getting ID's at DMV it seems this shit is common. 

[JOHN MATRIX]

Idk, DMV's have long been notorious for that. The last few times i went there seem to have been improvements made though

[StreetSoldier4U]

Yes, they do.

Even to enter some buildings, like a retirement home, you need an ID.

But, it's too much to ask for an ID before letting someone vote. Really?

If a person doesn't have enough foresight to get an ID card should such an imbecile be voting.  In all likelihood he's probably not even employed and hasn't been for some time.

[tu_holmes]

Did the people who voted in 1776 all own property? Pay Taxes?

I don't mind the ID aspect to be honest... Give them a free voter ID card.

Certainly, everyone pays some amount of taxes... Those on social security have taxes deducted.

Also, define "tax paying".

Does the average joe who gets a tax refund because they make 30 grand a year (effectively not paying taxes) not get to vote?

[jjbones]

Did the people who voted in 1776 all own property? Pay Taxes?

I don't mind the ID aspect to be honest... Give them a free voter ID card.

Certainly, everyone pays some amount of taxes... Those on social security have taxes deducted.

Also, define "tax paying".

Does the average joe who gets a tax refund because they make 30 grand a year (effectively not paying taxes) not get to vote?

Exactly ... if you get a refund larger than your withholdings ... you are NOT paying taxes.  Only responsible people should be voters.  This is why our founders created the electoral college.  They figured the average person could not make an informed decision.  Therefore, if the government subsidizes your life, you should not get a vote.  The whole point of Obama is to get more than half the populous hooked on government payouts to support lifestyle.  Of course these people are going to want more freebies.  Do you really want the least intelligent and most irresponsible making decisions really   We have slipped into socialism.  My god look at New Orleans ... thousands of people who cant take care of themselves... much like farm animals.

[tu_holmes]

You messed up the quote function so I can't quote you, but none the less...

There are people who vote right and left that do not pay taxes.

They vote the way they do for whatever reason it is.

[blacken700]

I think just white people with blond hair blue eyes should be able to vote

[StreetSoldier4U]

I think just white people with blond hair blue eyes should be able to vote

The conversation always degenerates to this point with most on the left.

[RRKore]

Founding fathers and the electoral college should not be a reason to justify any-fucking-thing today. 

Voting rights were decided by the states, but only about 15% of FREE (non-slave) adult population could vote back then (in 1787).  Works out to about 6% of the total population.

So please take that founding fathers crap the hell out of here.  Great for moneyed white men, shitty for everyone else. 

The "founding fathers" feared the masses (including poor whites, slaves, and American Indians) just as the 1% do today.

[tonymctones]

Good points because believe it or not I DO think that everyone should have some sort of basic ID (with a photo, fingerprint, retinal scan or whatever).

The problem is that places are putting these reasonable laws in effect but making it very difficult for folks to comply. 

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/texas-granny-collides-texas-voterid-law
This doesn't affect many folks at all, but how about 80-year old women who not only need a birth certificate (difficult enough for some) but also a marriage certificate (to explain a name change that happened 60 years ago) and the agency won't accept an expired driver's license with a photo ID?

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/

So, JM, I agree with you that Voter ID's are a good thing.  I just think these laws are passed and not enough effort is made to help those (seniors and the very poor) comply who can't bop on down to DMV as you or I can.

Speaking of which, WTF is up with DMV's in certain (Southern?) states?  I thought it was just me that noticed a hilariously authoritative attitude among NC DMV workers (they think they're big shit instead realizing that they work a boring and low-paying job) but while reading accounts of folks getting ID's at DMV it seems this shit is common. 

you mean like obamacare?

lol so youre for making people sign up for health care which is not only a convoluted and confusing process but one that needs to be repeated often and youre against this b/c you think the process is prohibitive...

got it moron