Are males disappearing from the human race?

[Melkor]

This is something that I am truly starting to believe. Masculinity and machismo are seen as negative traits more and more often, in the media especially, but also in western society as a whole.

This goes beyond the realm of strength and muscularity. If John Wayne, Paul Newman, Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, men regarded to have embodied masculinity 40 or 50 years ago, were to start appearing in popular media today, they would not attract much attention. Instead people like Justin Bieber, Joseph-Gordon Levitt, Jared Leto are being held up as male role models. Younger males are aspiring to model themselves on these current trends, through their fashion, personal appearance and by maintaining a "slim figure".

I don't believe that every man needs to be a jacked up bodybuilder, but they should at least display virility and that their bodies are actually capable of producing androgens. That they are capable of protecting themselves and their families. Most younger men these days don't look like they could father a child if they wanted to. I truly believe that in less than 100 hundred years there will be little if any contrast between most males and females, at least in terms of sexuality.

[the trainer]

My family tree will remain i am an alpha male and so my kids will be taught to be alpha from they are little and they will teach their kids.

[Tito24]

[El Diablo Blanco]

This is something that I am truly starting to believe. Masculinity and machismo are seen as negative traits more and more often, in the media especially, but also in western society as a whole.

This goes beyond the realm of strength and muscularity. If John Wayne, Paul Newman, Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, men regarded to have embodied masculinity 40 or 50 years ago, were to start appearing in popular media today, they would not attract much attention. Instead people like Justin Bieber, Joseph-Gordon Levitt, Jared Leto are being held up as male role models. Younger males are aspiring to model themselves on these current trends, through their fashion, personal appearance and by maintaining a "slim figure".

I don't believe that every man needs to be a jacked up bodybuilder, but they should at least display virility and that their bodies are actually capable of producing androgens. That they are capable of protecting themselves and their families. Most younger men these days don't look like they could father a child if they wanted to. I truly believe that in less than 100 hundred years there will be little if any contrast between most males and females, at least in terms of sexuality.

I was talking about this the other day. Social media/online dating/ online porn etc... is demasulanizing society.  men no longer need to be men.  they just hole themselves up in their rooms and surf online for everything they need.  No need to leave the house and prowl for women, no need to have sex as often, no need for real friends.  they are becoming lazy beings. When men do show manly traits they are shot down by the media, women's groups and gay groups.

[Army of One]

I think so, when I found out BigCyp waited until his wedding night to have sex with his wife, and has poems on his wall about the strength of females, I too began to question this topic.

[Wiggs]

I think so, when I found out BigCyp waited until his wedding night to have sex with his wife, and has poems on his wall about the strength of females, I too began to question this topic.

lololol

[residue]

This is something that I am truly starting to believe. Masculinity and machismo are seen as negative traits more and more often, in the media especially, but also in western society as a whole.

This goes beyond the realm of strength and muscularity. If John Wayne, Paul Newman, Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, men regarded to have embodied masculinity 40 or 50 years ago, were to start appearing in popular media today, they would not attract much attention. Instead people like Justin Bieber, Joseph-Gordon Levitt, Jared Leto are being held up as male role models. Younger males are aspiring to model themselves on these current trends, through their fashion, personal appearance and by maintaining a "slim figure".

I don't believe that every man needs to be a jacked up bodybuilder, but they should at least display virility and that their bodies are actually capable of producing androgens. That they are capable of protecting themselves and their families. Most younger men these days don't look like they could father a child if they wanted to. I truly believe that in less than 100 hundred years there will be little if any contrast between most males and females, at least in terms of sexuality.

someone's never taken sociology 101

[wes]

This is something that I am truly starting to believe. Masculinity and machismo are seen as negative traits more and more often, in the media especially, but also in western society as a whole.

This goes beyond the realm of strength and muscularity. If John Wayne, Paul Newman, Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, men regarded to have embodied masculinity 40 or 50 years ago, were to start appearing in popular media today, they would not attract much attention. Instead people like Justin Bieber, Joseph-Gordon Levitt, Jared Leto are being held up as male role models. Younger males are aspiring to model themselves on these current trends, through their fashion, personal appearance and by maintaining a "slim figure".

I don't believe that every man needs to be a jacked up bodybuilder, but they should at least display virility and that their bodies are actually capable of producing androgens. That they are capable of protecting themselves and their families. Most younger men these days don't look like they could father a child if they wanted to. I truly believe that in less than 100 hundred years there will be little if any contrast between most males and females, at least in terms of sexuality.

Fuck yourself fuckface!

[Tapeworm]

John Wayne, Paul Newman, Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood

Newman & Eastwood - bleeding heart lefties.
Cash sang songs for a living.  He was good at it but it's not especially butch.
John Wayne is boring and was always doing that limp wrist thing of his.  I never got the appeal of The Dookie.

These people were performers.  They wore makeup and spent their lives in 'the arts.'

[Skeletor]

[Melkor]

Newman & Eastwood - bleeding heart lefties.
Cash sang songs for a living.  He was good at it but it's not especially butch.
John Wayne is boring and was always doing that limp wrist thing of his.  I never got the appeal of The Dookie.

These people were performers.  They wore makeup and spent their lives in 'the arts.'

Yes, you're right they were performers. I used them as an example of men from a previous generation who were in the public eye. But compared with men in similar roles today there is just no comparison. If the actors and musicians from the past were like that, think of what the ordinary blue collar guy was like. You think he had highlights in his hair? Wore fake tan? Skinny jeans? Was afraid to eat potatoes because they contained carbs? Worried about what people thought of his clothing and style?

It's not like I'm talking about men from centuries ago like vikings and warlords, I'm talking about men in the last 50 years. Our parents generation. We should be celebrating the differences between men and women, not meeting in the middle and conforming to androgyny.

[supernaturalbodybuilder]

they dont make 'em like this anymore

[kh300]

This is something that I am truly starting to believe. Masculinity and machismo are seen as negative traits more and more often, in the media especially, but also in western society as a whole.

This goes beyond the realm of strength and muscularity. If John Wayne, Paul Newman, Johnny Cash, Clint Eastwood, men regarded to have embodied masculinity 40 or 50 years ago, were to start appearing in popular media today, they would not attract much attention. Instead people like Justin Bieber, Joseph-Gordon Levitt, Jared Leto are being held up as male role models. Younger males are aspiring to model themselves on these current trends, through their fashion, personal appearance and by maintaining a "slim figure".

I don't believe that every man needs to be a jacked up bodybuilder, but they should at least display virility and that their bodies are actually capable of producing androgens. That they are capable of protecting themselves and their families. Most younger men these days don't look like they could father a child if they wanted to. I truly believe that in less than 100 hundred years there will be little if any contrast between most males and females, at least in terms of sexuality.

Right on brother! Boys do nothing but resort to their arousal addictions. Video games and porn. No need for friends or woman, just jack off and turn on the playstation. They can no longer play the game of real life relationships, school, or work.

Shit look at us. I Limit my internet usage to just before I go to bed, but some of these guys on here are on the internet 15 hrs a day and have no life outside of getbig. Forums are a cool place to talk to people around the world and share ideas and hobbies, but it should never replace real life.

[James28]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/mother-tongue/10636279/Have-Swedens-permissive-parents-given-birth-to-a-generation-of-monsters.html

[sean]

These kind of social discussions are why i keep coming back to getbig.

[sean]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/mother-tongue/10636279/Have-Swedens-permissive-parents-given-birth-to-a-generation-of-monsters.html

This right here.. Goes back to the old saying, "that guy never got a spanking growing up".

[Tapeworm]

Yes, you're right they were performers. I used them as an example of men from a previous generation who were in the public eye. But compared with men in similar roles today there is just no comparison. If the actors and musicians from the past were like that, think of what the ordinary blue collar guy was like. You think he had highlights in his hair? Wore fake tan? Skinny jeans? Was afraid to eat potatoes because they contained carbs? Worried about what people thought of his clothing and style?

It's not like I'm talking about men from centuries ago like vikings and warlords, I'm talking about men in the last 50 years. Our parents generation. We should be celebrating the differences between men and women, not meeting in the middle and conforming to androgyny.

Idgaf how someone wants to dress or style his hair.  I'm not the fashion police.  How someone behaves toward others is more important, and there hasn't been much to celebrate in the 'how humans treat humans' dept for a long, long time.

The Giants-of-Old hypothesis is bullshit.  Our grandfathers weren't magical mighty men, and prior generations' stewardship of the place has been shit.  Fuck it.  Let the kids who old men think dress funny have their turn.  They can't do any worse.

Telling someone to conform to your notion of gender appropriate behavior is just as lame as them telling you to be androgenous.  Yes, they'll look damn silly, but who cares.  The only thing getting hurt is your feelings and that's your problem.

[residue]

Yes, you're right they were performers. I used them as an example of men from a previous generation who were in the public eye. But compared with men in similar roles today there is just no comparison. If the actors and musicians from the past were like that, think of what the ordinary blue collar guy was like. You think he had highlights in his hair? Wore fake tan? Skinny jeans? Was afraid to eat potatoes because they contained carbs? Worried about what people thought of his clothing and style?

It's not like I'm talking about men from centuries ago like vikings and warlords, I'm talking about men in the last 50 years. Our parents generation. We should be celebrating the differences between men and women, not meeting in the middle and conforming to androgyny.

they're still tons of men like that, they're all poor, uneducated and work some menial job

[_bruce_]

They're getting rare. As a teenager I remember local youth merely 4 years older than us being way more aggressive and ready to fight. Our clique was pretty much a lame rainbow geezer fest.
It took me a decade to realize how weak and feeble I once was and that most of it was mentally and so I started reprogramming myself.
When going the secondary education route I was able to check out people in their 19's and early 20ies on a regular basis and it was crazy how many of the dudettes were extremely passive especially when it came to women - no game, silly remarks, tease.
The exceptions were rare but had easy prey. I often like to chuckle about 'Gary Brodsky' but he's right that today's women are pretty desperate for men that have some game/soul because there's so many empty dudes around that are sexless.

[falco]

I think so, when I found out BigCyp waited until his wedding night to have sex with his wife, and has poems on his wall about the strength of females, I too began to question this topic.

LMAO.

[Melkor]

they're still tons of men like that, they're all poor, uneducated and work some menial job

Or earn multi-million dollar salaries as professional athletes... Seriously though, I'm not trying to say that men should walk around beating their bare chests with their fists and that all real men work manual labour, all I'm saying is that I've noticed more and more that the ideal modern male, especially the one presented by popular media, has changed drastically to a less "masculine" one.

In western civilisation, 1/3 of men between the ages of 22 and 34 still live at home with their parents. This is an increase of 100% over the last 20 years. There are now more women than men in the workforce. Woman are better educated, with better grades at school and more women earning bachelors degrees and advanced degrees.

Modern males lack motivation and drive. They'e gone soft.  

But then again I appear in the minority here so maybe this new breed of male is set to proliferate and become the norm.

[Melkor]

Idgaf how someone wants to dress or style his hair.  I'm not the fashion police.  How someone behaves toward others is more important, and there hasn't been much to celebrate in the 'how humans treat humans' dept for a long, long time.

The Giants-of-Old hypothesis is bullshit.  Our grandfathers weren't magical mighty men, and prior generations' stewardship of the place has been shit.  Fuck it.  Let the kids who old men think dress funny have their turn.  They can't do any worse.

Telling someone to conform to your notion of gender appropriate behavior is just as lame as them telling you to be androgenous.  Yes, they'll look damn silly, but who cares.  The only thing getting hurt is your feelings and that's your problem.

Firstly, your quote about how its important how someone behaves toward others is spot on - that is the essence of true masculinity in my opinion. Don't you think that men of previous generations did more for providing and caring for others? Were less self-centred and selfish?

I don't care how other people dress and it doesn't hurt my feelings. What does however is the idea that many desirable male traits are disappearing from our society. What does bother me is that men are now more concerned with fashion, for example, than other more important aspects of life.

Today there is very little sense of history and acknowledgement of the legacy that has been left for us. In my country, history, which was once a compulsive subject in schools, is no longer mandatory.

You know that when the Titanic sank, the richest passengers who had first class tickets were entitled to the limited life boat positions. Most of the wealthy men gave up their positions and their lives for women and children (the survival rate for third class women passengers was higher than for first class men).

[Tapeworm]

It's not really an issue where I live.  I 'work manual labor.'  At a good 3/4 of the jobs I go to which contain office workers, a lot of guys feel the need to put on a manly act of some sort when interacting.  Monosylabic speech, awkward body language and jerky movements, tales of DIY success, etc.  If anything, men are insecure about what they perceive as their own lack of masculinity, and they put on the most absurd affectations when someone nearby puts on a tool belt.  They're friendly and usually relax after a minute but the theatre at the start is something to behold.

Old ones not so much.  I guess they don't feel the need to measure dicks and often just want to have a chat.  Young ones also are usually easy going.  They just seem comfortable with themselves.  But 25-50, oh brother.  

[Viking11]

Liberal/feminist/Metro axis, combined with certain female fears of masculinity/obsession with "cute" combined with immaturity on both sides resulting in the demasculination of contemporary modern males.

[MikMaq]

It's not really an issue where I live.  I 'work manual labor.'  At a good 3/4 of the jobs I go to which contain office workers, a lot of guys feel the need to put on a manly act of some sort when interacting.  Monosylabic speech, awkward body language and jerky movements, tales of DIY success, etc.  If anything, men are insecure about what they perceive as their own lack of masculinity, and they put on the most absurd affectations when someone nearby puts on a tool belt.  They're friendly and usually relax after a minute but the theatre at the start is something to behold.

Old ones not so much.  I guess they don't feel the need to measure dicks and often just want to have a chat.  Young ones also are usually easy going.  They just seem comfortable with themselves.  But 25-50, oh brother.  

This it's a classicism thing.

The masculine behavior is a benefit in manual labor, and completely useless in an office. It's nothing to do with women and entirely to do with what skills are needed to obtain status.

This is the modern Alpha.