Rand Paul: Without change, GOP will "not win again in my lifetime"

[chadstallion]

I notice that when ever you can't formulate a proper rebuttal you resort to this.

he's new; cut him some slack.  if we nurture this one properly we can have newer, younger version of 333386 to kick around!

[StreetSoldier4U]

'da fuck? 

The only reason I can think of for why you're like this is to get your post count up. 

(Which benefits me, too, lol.)

Da fuck?  You've obviously not looked into the issue or you would have a better understanding.   

[StreetSoldier4U]

he's new; cut him some slack.  if we nurture this one properly we can have newer, younger version of 333386 to kick around!

That's all in your head. 

[Mawse]

Illegal Mexicans cost billions a year, their kids are born to mostly low intelligence peasant parents and intelligence is largely genetic.

Lacking their parents admirable work ethic and raised as entitled little American brat anchors they will drop out of school and not work low wage jobs without benefits like their parents did , instead they will drain the welfare system dry because uneducated, lazy, stupid Americans feel they are owed a better life than what they actually deserve. Anyone arguing otherwise is delusional.

If reps could drop social conservatism, which is nothing to do with actual conservatism or the roots of the party then they might stand a chance but reagans real legacy is that of involving the stupidest , most ignorant voters in politics and destroying the party that fetishizes him

[Roger Bacon]

Watch that retard RRwhore respond with a "what do you mean?"

rofl

[RRKore]

Da fuck?  You've obviously not looked into the issue or you would have a better understanding.   

A better understanding?  Ninja, please! 

I asked for the source of your copy-pasta about the tax burden of Mexican immigrants (which I even complimented as compelling info). 

I'd just like to know the author of the article, the website or publication where it first appeared and the date it was written.

Considering that it's a rule on this board that you're supposed to supply the link when you copy and paste articles, I don't think it's too much to ask. 

Here's the relevant rule from the 2nd sticky thread in this subforum ("Rules and Guidelines updated 11-15-12 New Rule Added"):

Forum Rules:

Quoting Sources:  If your thread or post uses material created from another source, you must provide a link to the source.  Do not post full articles; only copy a portion of the source material with a link to read the rest.

[RRKore]

rofl

You laughin' at ME?!?

Not sure exactly why Dario said that, actually.  He's not the most articulate nor clear-minded guy (read his pathetic fumbling about as he tried to explain why he thought there was no contradiction between God's supposed omniscience and man's free will if you doubt this) so it's not always easy to discern what he's trying to say.  Giving him a chance to clarify his posts is a kindness to him, if you ask me.

[tonymctones]

A better understanding?  Ninja, please!  

I asked for the source of your copy-pasta about the tax burden of Mexican immigrants (which I even complimented as compelling info).  

I'd just like to know the author of the article, the website or publication where it first appeared and the date it was written.

Considering that it's a rule on this board that you're supposed to supply the link when you copy and paste articles, I don't think it's too much to ask.  

Here's the relevant rule from the 2nd sticky thread in this subforum ("Rules and Guidelines updated 11-15-12 New Rule Added"):

Forum Rules:

Quoting Sources:  If your thread or post uses material created from another source, you must provide a link to the source.  Do not post full articles; only copy a portion of the source material with a link to read the rest.

the rule is about citing information not proprietary info...have you looked up that term yet or do you need a link to the definition for that?

youre one to talk there bro, you never back up any of the stupidity you run on about and when confronted with facts either run away or deflect, deflect, deflect...

[RRKore]

the rule is about citing information not proprietary info...have you looked up that term yet or do you need a link to the definition for that?

youre one to talk there bro, you never back up any of the stupidity you run on about and when confronted with facts either run away or deflect, deflect, deflect...

Tony, you are smoking crack. I ALWAYS post links when I copy-pasta parts of articles.

Tony, I'm a SW QA engineer  -- I know what proprietary means.  (The way you used it was kinda strange so I asked you what you meant, so sue me.) 

And, anyway, are you seriously suggesting that StreetSoldier4U might have authored all that?  (The same guy who has such trouble with homophones and homonyms?)  Uh, no fucking way. 

I'll bet you 1 million dollars he did not author the article in question.  I'd sooner believe that you were the 10-time judo world champion -- who gold medaled in boxing during your off-season, lol. 

Here's about a third of the article that he posted; Take a look and tell me again that you think he might have written this:

y increasing the supply of unskilled labor, Mexican immigration in the 1990s has reduced the wages of workers without a high school education by an estimated 5 percent. The workers affected are already the lowest-paid, comprising a large share of the working poor and those trying to move from welfare to work.

This reduction in wages for the unskilled has likely reduced prices for consumers by only an estimated .08 to .2 percent in the 1990s. The impact is so small because unskilled labor accounts for only a tiny fraction of total economic output.
Author Steven Camarota said of the findings, "Mexican immigration is overwhelmingly unskilled, and it is hard to make an economic argument for unskilled immigration, because it tends to reduce wages for workers who are already the lowest paid and whose real wages actually declined in the 1990s. Moreover, this cheap labor comes with a high cost. Because the modern American economy offers very limited opportunities for workers with little education, continued unskilled immigration cannot help but to significantly increase the size of the poor and uninsured populations, as well as the number of people using welfare."


Because of their much lower education levels, Mexican immigrants earn significantly less than natives on average. This results in lower average tax payments and heavier use of means-tested programs. Based on estimates developed by the National Academy of Sciences for immigrants by age and education at arrival, the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative $55,200.

Although they comprise 4.2 percent of the nation’s total population, Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) account for 10.2 percent of all persons in poverty and 12.5 percent of those without health insurance. Even among Mexican immigrant families that have lived in United States for more than 20 years, almost all of whom are legal residents, more than half live in or near poverty and one-third are uninsured

Even after welfare reform, an estimated 34 percent of households headed by legal Mexican immigrants and 25 percent headed by illegal Mexican immigrants used at least one major welfare program, in contrast to 15 percent of native households. Mexican immigrants who have lived in the United States for more than 20 years, almost all of whom are legal residents, still have double the welfare use rate of natives.

Mexican immigration acts as a subsidy to businesses that employ unskilled workers, holding down labor costs while taxpayers pick up the costs of providing services to a much larger poor and low-income population.

The lower educational attainment of Mexican immigrants appears to persist across the generations. The high school dropout rates of native-born Mexican-Americans (both second and third generation) are two and a half times that of other natives.
Policy Recommendations:

The United States needs to consider programs designed to improve the labor market skills of legal Mexican immigrants. It is also absolutely essential that more effort be made to improve educational opportunities for their children so that they will have the skills necessary to compete in the modern American economy. In the future, the United States should also consider policies designed to reduce unskilled legal immigration in general, including from Mexico. Greater resources should also be devoted to stopping illegal immigration, including enforcement of the ban on hiring illegal aliens.

Guestworker programs are unlikely to solve the problems found in the study. By increasing the supply of unskilled labor, a guestworker program would still adversely effect the wages of the lowest-paid American workers. What’s more, unskilled guestworkers would be overwhelmingly poor or near-poor and thus would pay little in taxes and be likely to receive welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children, just as many illegal immigrants do today. As a result, a guestworker program would almost certainly create significant fiscal costs. Thus, legalizing illegal aliens -- through a guestworker program, an amnesty, or some combination of the two -- would not change the fundamental problems associated with high levels of unskilled immigration.

[tonymctones]

Tony, you are smoking crack. I ALWAYS post links when I copy-pasta parts of articles.

Tony, I'm a SW QA engineer  -- I know what proprietary means.  (The way you used it was kinda strange so I asked you what you meant, so sue me.) 

what is copy-pasta? second time youve used it...new bodybuilding food perhaps?

I dont really care what you are the way I used proprietary wasnt unusual at all....

LOL im guessing he didnt write all that and he should post a link I hope you are this up in arms when your libtard bretheren do it which they do all the time.

You can complain all you want and cite the rules but it wont change anything people copy and past without citing their shit here all the time.

[RRKore]

what is copy-pasta? second time youve used it...new bodybuilding food perhaps?

I dont really care what you are the way I used proprietary wasnt unusual at all....

LOL im guessing he didnt write all that and he should post a link I hope you are this up in arms when your libtard bretheren do it which they do all the time.

You can complain all you want and cite the rules but it wont change anything people copy and past without citing their shit here all the time.

It wasn't unusual to say (something to the effect of) "I have a proprietary way of processing information in my head"?  (Like most people use a standard open-source protocol but you use your own his own special-recipe proprietary method which you'll detail once you get the patent?)  Ok, champ, we'll just have to agree to disagree about that being unusual.

Thanks for admitting that he probably didn't author that article.  I'm not "up in arms" (unless you're talking about how swole my guns are) about it though, just mystified about why he'd not want to give up the source when it's technically a rule of this site.

I read the whole thing he posted.  I told him I thought it was compelling.  (This is a compliment.)  Then I politely asked for the link while informing him that supplying the link is technically a rule of this forum and he answered by telling me to find out myself.  I expressed surprise at his response and he made some irrelevant comment about me needing to familiarize myself with the subject more.  End of story.

Why this needs to be spoon-fed to you is probably because you don't really care enough about what happened to read back in the thread or something.  Not that you'd let that stop you from commenting, though, right?

[tonymctones]

It wasn't unusual to say (something to the effect of) "I have a proprietary way of processing information in my head"?  (Like most people use a standard open-source protocol but you use your own his own special-recipe proprietary method which you'll detail once you get the patent?)  Ok, champ, we'll just have to agree to disagree about that being unusual.

no it wasnt

Proprietary information, proprietary processes etc...proprietary is used in conjunction with them all the time so I dont know how someone would feel that is unusual but I guess you have not been exposed to those situations very often so who knows maybe it is unusual to you.

[RRKore]

no it wasnt

Proprietary information, proprietary processes etc...proprietary is used in conjunction with them all the time so I dont know how someone would feel that is unusual but I guess you have not been exposed to those situations very often so who knows maybe it is unusual to you.

Fair enough. 



BTW, did you see the UFC on Fox the other day?  Erick Silva from Brazil who has black belts in Judo and BJJ put a serious beatdown on another Judo black belt (Sato).  It was notable for a new technique:  When Sato went for a low-single, with his head on the outside of Silva's leg, Silva held him in place with his hands while heel kicking his head with his other leg using what they're calling "hackey-sack" kicks.  It was good (but one-sided) stuff.

More Judo-related UFC stuff:  Next week Judo's pride and joy UFC champ Ronda Rousey (silver medalist at the Olympics) will fight Olympic silver medalist (in freestyle wrestling) Sara McMann.  Might be a good fight... 

Judo is obviously a great base skill for MMA.

[tonymctones]

Fair enough. 



BTW, did you see the UFC on Fox the other day?  Erick Silva from Brazil who has black belts in Judo and BJJ put a serious beatdown on another Judo black belt (Sato).  It was notable for a new technique:  When Sato went for a low-single, with his head on the outside of Silva's leg, Silva held him in place with his hands while heel kicking his head with his other leg using what they're calling "hackey-sack" kicks.  It was good (but one-sided) stuff.

More Judo-related UFC stuff:  Next week Judo's pride and joy UFC champ Ronda Rousey (silver medalist at the Olympics) will fight Olympic silver medalist (in freestyle wrestling) Sara McMann.  Might be a good fight... 

Judo is obviously a great base skill for MMA.

No I stopped following MMA years ago. Judo is a good base skill especially competitive judo for modern MMA. There are plenty of better ones that allow for more ground work which translates alot easier and judo throws are not that useful in MMA although I have seen rhonda use them quite a bit. Most people in that realm know how to fall and judo throws dont do much damage especially if they person being thrown knows how to fall correctly and as its on a padded mat.

Good to see some former judo people doing good though especially after the early days of the UFC where they got murdered LOL.

[StreetSoldier4U]

what is copy-pasta? second time youve used it...new bodybuilding food perhaps?

I dont really care what you are the way I used proprietary wasnt unusual at all....

LOL im guessing he didnt write all that and he should post a link I hope you are this up in arms when your libtard bretheren do it which they do all the time.

You can complain all you want and cite the rules but it wont change anything people copy and past without citing their shit here all the time.

He complained to Ron

[tonymctones]

He complained to Ron

Lol kore did you complain to Ron?

[dario73]

Why are libtards bringing up posting rules?

This is what happens when a liberal is confronted. All they do is bring up crap that has nothing to do with the main topic.

Idiots.

[RRKore]

Lol kore did you complain to Ron?

Hells yeah.

I used the "Report to Moderator" soft button (which I thought would go to Ozmo or BB, actually, but whateva).

Here's exactly what I wrote (and I wrote nothing more) in the dialog box that displayed after I hit the button: 

Is the following rule still in effect?: Quoting Sources:  If your thread or post uses material created from another source, you must provide a link to the source.  Do not post full articles; only copy a portion of the source material with a link to read the rest.

Look, Tony, SS4U isn't like you or me.  We (and even guys like Dario, actually) use insults too much but I think it's clear we give a shit about different political arguments and are here to talk about 'em. 

Seemingly, he's here (most of the time, anyway) to get into little spats with folks after posting a couple of sentences at a time and by doing so he's adding very little value to the forum while maybe driving some away. Therefore, I don't think he deserves much consideration or latitude when he steps over the line. 

It's a little ironic that one of the very few times that he DID post something worthwhile was what caused him to get reported (because he refused to supply the link to the source). 

Oh, well.  I think he's gonna live.

[RRKore]

Why are libtards bringing up posting rules?

This is what happens when a liberal is confronted. All they do is bring up crap that has nothing to do with the main topic.

Idiots.

Snitches get stitches?  lol

[StreetSoldier4U]

In other words he was butthurt and complained.   Meanwhile, he feels comfortable breaking the rules by threatening me with physical violence.  I reported this to the moderators.  I figured if he was so concerned about rules he would want me to report him.

[RRKore]

In other words he was butthurt and complained.   Meanwhile, he feels comfortable breaking the rules by threatening me with physical violence.  I reported this to the moderators.  I figured if he was so concerned about rules he would want me to report him.

LOL.  What did Ron say to you?  Can't have been too bad since you're still here.

[StreetSoldier4U]

LOL.  What did Ron say to you?  Can't have been too bad since you're still here.

He was great.  A very nice man.

[tonymctones]

Hells yeah.

I used the "Report to Moderator" soft button (which I thought would go to Ozmo or BB, actually, but whateva).

Here's exactly what I wrote (and I wrote nothing more) in the dialog box that displayed after I hit the button: 

Is the following rule still in effect?: Quoting Sources:  If your thread or post uses material created from another source, you must provide a link to the source.  Do not post full articles; only copy a portion of the source material with a link to read the rest.

Look, Tony, SS4U isn't like you or me.  We (and even guys like Dario, actually) use insults too much but I think it's clear we give a shit about different political arguments and are here to talk about 'em. 

Seemingly, he's here (most of the time, anyway) to get into little spats with folks after posting a couple of sentences at a time and by doing so he's adding very little value to the forum while maybe driving some away. Therefore, I don't think he deserves much consideration or latitude when he steps over the line. 

It's a little ironic that one of the very few times that he DID post something worthwhile was what caused him to get reported (because he refused to supply the link to the source). 

Oh, well.  I think he's gonna live.

Lol you're fairly new here so you may not know this but the politics board is a bit of a different animal. Many of the posters on the poli board don't or very rarely post on other boards outside of the politics board. It's a pretty tight knit group and even though we have major differences we generally all get along on a basic level. I think it's because of that there is an unspoken rule about keeping our shit in house.

[Mawse]

Why are libtards bringing up posting rules?

This is what happens when a liberal is confronted. All they do is bring up crap that has nothing to do with the main topic.

Idiots.

Uh because they're not liberals? The majority of self identifying liberals (and 100% of democrat party line hacks) are actually authoritarians who want authority figures to make other people do what they want.

Nothing at all like a classic liberal , the word is as meaningless as "conservative" in today's contexts

[RRKore]

Uh because they're not liberals? The majority of self identifying liberals (and 100% of democrat party line hacks) are actually authoritarians who want authority figures to make other people do what they want.

Nothing at all like a classic liberal , the word is as meaningless as "conservative" in today's contexts

Absorutery.  Except I don't want an authority figure to force others to do what I want; I want to do it myself; If I can be the authority, I will be the first to denounce liberalism.

Nah, maybe it has absolutely nothing to do with politics and is just folks trying to get their way, ya know? 

Wouldn't you agree that on a personal level, folks of ALL political stripes often act this way?