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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2014, 06:59:15 PM »
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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2014, 07:03:21 PM »
really b/c both of the teams in the superbowl this year had great run games....::)

I agree a rb can be obtained in free agency. A rookie qb isnt going to come in and make a marked difference 99% of the time, a seasoned vet can...

there is a much better transition of tangible talent in the rb and wr position from college to the NFL than in the qb position.

everybody thinks that the game has changed and you now need a mobile qb ::) all these mobile qbs are at best a couple years from not being mobile and at worst one hit away.

the seahawks had a good running game, their defense was their strength

the broncos had peyton set every passing record, you think they got their based on their running game ::)

the last couple super bowl teams didn't have a strong running game, the league is all about passing today and yeah rookie quarterbacks can come in and have a huge impact

just ask the steelers, ravens, falcons, panthers, and the seahawks

though i don't like manziel at all, i don't like your coach either

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2014, 07:10:03 PM »
the seahawks had a good running game, their defense was their strength

the broncos had peyton set every passing record, you think they got their based on their running game ::)

the last couple super bowl teams didn't have a strong running game, the league is all about passing today and yeah rookie quarterbacks can come in and have a huge impact

just ask the steelers, ravens, falcons, panthers, and the seahawks

though i don't like manziel at all, i don't like your coach either

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2014, 07:12:28 PM »

Steelers homer and a troll. Go Ravens.

in other words you don't disagree with anything i said, you just don't like the 6 time super bowl champs

flacco having that playoff run is going to destroy your team, all that money to have more interceptions than touchdowns LOL

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2014, 07:27:53 PM »
in other words you don't disagree with anything i said, you just don't like the 6 time super bowl champs

flacco having that playoff run is going to destroy your team, all that money to have more interceptions than touchdowns LOL

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No it wont destroy the team. It's a 3 year contract he basically signed. He makes the majority of the money in the first 3 years with the understanding that he restructures in 2015. He'll sign another deal with bonus $ upfront with less salary that will count against the future cap. They just re-signed Suggs to a four year deal that put the Ravens 4.8 million under the cap. That gives them flexbility to re-sign Daryl Smith, franchise tag on Pitta, and re-sign Monroe at LT. Ozzie Newsome knows what he's doing and he's far from done.

Flacco had a shit season because the O-line was dreadful. No running game whatsoever either. He forced a shit ton of throws and was sacked the most times ever in a season for his career. He tried to do too much. A very young WR group and Pitta missed most of the year.

I'll trust the expertise of a two time superbowl winning GM over a biased homer Steeler fan any day of the week. First time the Ravens have missed the playoffs in 6 years. I'm not concerned about the team's future.

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2014, 07:30:30 PM »
No it wont destroy the team. It's a 3 year contract he basically signed. He restructures in 2015. He makes the majority of the money in the first 3 years with the understanding that he restructures in 3 years. They just re-signed Suggs to a four year deal that put the Ravens 4.8 million under the cap. That gives them flexbility to re-sign Daryl Smith, franchise tag on Pitta, and re-sign Monroe at LT. Ozzie Newsome knows what he's doing and he's far from done.

Flacco had a shit season because the O-line was dreadful. No running game whatsoever either. He forced a shit ton of throws and was sacked the most times ever in a season for his career. He tried to do too much. A very young WR group and Pitta missed most of the year.

I'll trust the expertise of a two time superbowl winning GM over a biased homer Steeler fan any day of the week. First time the Ravens have missed the playoffs in 6 years. I'm not concerned about the team's future.

ben has had a shit o line since 2007, i don't want to hear that excuse

young receivers?  why because they traded boldin for a bag of donuts?  i can't believe that trade was even approved, harbaugh helping out his jackass brother, genius move ozzie ::)

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2014, 07:37:11 PM »
ben has had a shit o line since 2007, i don't want to hear that excuse

young receivers?  why because they traded boldin for a bag of donuts?  i can't believe that trade was even approved, harbaugh helping out his jackass brother, genius move ozzie ::)

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Ben still had a decent running game in 2007 if I remember correctly. And they won a superbowl in 2008 with a shit o line? What r u smoking? No team wins a fucking Sb with a shit O-line.

Boldin was entering the final year of his contract and carried a big cap number. I'll admit I shook my head at only getting a 6th round choice in return but with the money freed up they were able to sign Dumervill and Daryl Smith on defense. No GM is perfect. Even the best have made moves that have their fans shaking their heads. I didn't have a problem with letting Boldin go but I did have a problem with getting only a 6th round choice.

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2014, 07:40:17 PM »
Ben still had a decent running game in 2007 if I remember correctly.

Boldin was entering the final year of his contract and carried a big cap number. I'll admit I shook my head at only getting a 6th round choice in return but with the money freed up they were able to sign Dumervill and Daryl Smith on defense. No GM is perfect. Even the best have made moves that have their fans shaking their heads. I didn't have a problem with letting Boldin go but I did have a problem with getting only a 6th round choice.

no way the ravens make the super bowl without him last year, he was big for kaepernick this year too

i can't believe the league approved it, i think it was john trying to help his brother win the super bowl

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2014, 07:55:05 PM »
Rober Kraft is a legit crime boss. He wanted those people dead.

Hernandez got the job done.

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #84 on: February 23, 2014, 07:29:30 AM »
the seahawks had a good running game, their defense was their strength

the broncos had peyton set every passing record, you think they got their based on their running game ::)

the last couple super bowl teams didn't have a strong running game, the league is all about passing today and yeah rookie quarterbacks can come in and have a huge impact

just ask the steelers, ravens, falcons, panthers, and the seahawks

though i don't like manziel at all, i don't like your coach either

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I didnt say it was their run games that got them there but to say their run games were not good is stupid.

They had two of the best run games in the season this year. Last years teams both had great run games unless you dont think ray rice and pierce made a good duo or think frank gore and the plethora of other backs the niners had were shit.

Youre exaggerating, yes the league is a pass first league that doesnt mean the run game is an after thought these days.

LMFAO you name a handful of rookie qb's that came in and made a difference and you think that makes your point? Should we name the ones that busted and compare which ones are higher?

Look fact is skills translate better from college to pro in the RB and WR positions. QB's are a bigger crap shoot than rb and wr in terms of drafting. Why not get a big body WR or a RB who you feel can take over for Foster(b/c he isnt going to last the season and is likely on a fast track down hill), pick up a QB in free agency and one later in the draft and develop him?

manziel is an arrogant little shit and I hope he plays seattle so chancelor can welcome him into the NFL properly.

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2014, 07:31:10 AM »
I agree letting go of boldin was a dumb move even if he wasnt performing at the high level he was he could have been a great resource for younger receivers.

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Re: Pro Football player Ray Rice dragging his fiancee out of an elevator
« Reply #86 on: February 23, 2014, 10:56:08 AM »
I didnt say it was their run games that got them there but to say their run games were not good is stupid.

They had two of the best run games in the season this year. Last years teams both had great run games unless you dont think ray rice and pierce made a good duo or think frank gore and the plethora of other backs the niners had were shit.

Youre exaggerating, yes the league is a pass first league that doesnt mean the run game is an after thought these days.

LMFAO you name a handful of rookie qb's that came in and made a difference and you think that makes your point? Should we name the ones that busted and compare which ones are higher?

Look fact is skills translate better from college to pro in the RB and WR positions. QB's are a bigger crap shoot than rb and wr in terms of drafting. Why not get a big body WR or a RB who you feel can take over for Foster(b/c he isnt going to last the season and is likely on a fast track down hill), pick up a QB in free agency and one later in the draft and develop him?

manziel is an arrogant little shit and I hope he plays seattle so chancelor can welcome him into the NFL properly.

the ravens won a super bowl because flacco played out of his mind, knowshon moreno is not a good back he only played decent this year because peyton had the best season ever which opened up the running game

since 2008 the steelers, saints, giants, ravens, packers and seahawks won the super bowl

only the seahawks can say their running game made a big difference in winning the super bowl, i'm really just basing that on the big run lynch had against the 49ers, he didn't do anything in the super bowl

you don't want to draft a quarterback yet you expect to find a good one in free agency lol then you talk about busts, like a drew brees hits the open market every year

yeah pick up a qb later in the draft maybe that 6th round qb will be tom brady lol

it's a quarterbacks league and to get a good one they are typically 1st round draft picks, for every russel wilson or brady drafted later there are hundreds more you never even heard of, far more than the 1st round busts you talk about

good running backs are found anywhere you should know that considering arians foster was undrafted, what good is a receiver if he doesn't have a quarterback?

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NFL athlete & Getbigger - Ray Rice: suspended for 2 games
« Reply #87 on: July 25, 2014, 10:42:08 AM »
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=11262500&brand=espnw


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 ESPN The Magazine | July 25, 2014

There's no shortage of reasons to condemn the NFL for its pitifully inadequate two-game suspension of Ray Rice, the Baltimore Ravens running back who knocked his fiancée unconscious in a casino elevator in February.

I could write about the hypocrisy of Roger Goodell or the troubling message it sends to American women.

But if there's one lesson we can extract from Rice's suspension, it's that such arguments don't carry much weight with the NFL.


The league's two-game suspension of Ravens star Ray Rice is a joke, and sends a terrible message that the NFL doesn't take domestic violence seriously. Jane McManus

So, instead, let's look at Rice's slight punishment through the green-stained lens Goodell looks through every single day: money.

The NFL's financial success has reached new heights during Roger Goodell's tenure. And further growth is important to the commissioner: In 2010, he told team owners he aims to triple league revenue to $25 billion by 2027. That's more than companies such as Time Warner Cable, Xerox and General Mills made last year.

Goodell's goal is lofty, but reasonable. While many sports and entertainment providers have struggled to gain market share in an increasingly crowded field, the NFL's popularity has surged. Over the past decade, average viewership of prime-time NFL games has increased by 31 percent to 20.3 million, according to Nielsen. In 2013, every network that had broadcast games reported increased viewership. Most weeks, in fact, NFL games aren't just the most-watched sporting events on television -- they're the most watched thing on TV.

The league's success is astounding -- but it can't last forever. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban's doomsday prediction that the "hoggy" league will become oversaturated and implode within 10 years may have been overly dire, but there was a grain of truth to his prophecy. Football isn't a perpetual motion machine; it needs new external sources of energy to fuel its expansion.

As with any business, the NFL has two paths to potential growth. It can diversify its product line -- possible, but unlikely -- or it can go after new markets. Goodell's interest in putting a team in London makes it obvious that the league is pursuing the latter route.


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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell should have used the Ray Rice suspension as a chance to reach out to the most untapped segment of the football market: women.
Of course, it's always easier to grow at home. The lowest-hanging fruit, American men, may already be plucked, but there are still large swaths of the U.S. that haven't fully embraced football-underpenetrated segments of the market, in business-speak. The largest of those segments is female. The NFL says women make up about 45 percent of its fan base, while research firm Experian Simmons put the number at 36 percent. According to Nielsen, 35 percent of viewers of regular-season games last season were women.

That means women represent a huge growth opportunity. And the NFL knows it. It's why the league runs so many commercials targeting women and sticks pop-up boutiques inside stadiums, stocking them with pink jerseys and tank tops and something called a "Fanicure" nail polish set. Whatever you think of #nailgating, these efforts seem to be working: The NFL says sales of women's apparel have tripled over the past four years.

But marketing has its limits. People try new products for a number of reasons, ranging from quality to price. But brand loyalty, as any Apple stockholder will tell you, is driven by something deeper. Successful companies don't just sell goods and services -- they sell culture. They sell coolness (Nike) and wellness (Whole Foods) and manliness (Budweiser).

Football is no different. Women won't become fans of the NFL because of baby tees or theme nights. They'll embrace the league when they believe its values align with their own.

When the news about Rice broke yesterday, I saw scores of female football fans tweeting expressions of horror and disappointment. Several said they felt like the NFL had turned its back on them. Jets season ticketholder Naomi Lindower tweeted that she was disgusted with the decision.

"I'll always love football, but this just makes me mad," Lindower says. The league's actions, she adds, will make it harder for her to recruit other female fans, including her own daughter. "They'll say, 'Why should I be interested in a sport that doesn't support women?'"

The NFL should ask the same question -- if not for moral reasons, then for financial ones.

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Re: NFL athlete & Getbigger - Ray Rice: suspended for 2 games
« Reply #88 on: July 25, 2014, 05:09:18 PM »
What do they want the NFL to do, he wasn't convicted of anything to do with domestic violoence?  All there is is a video of his knocked out fiancee in an elevator. Two games plus a game check, and he won't appeal. Hopefully he's learned from it and moved on. This is why females shouldn't be sports reporters.

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Re: NFL athlete & Getbigger - Ray Rice: suspended for 2 games
« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2014, 05:33:57 PM »
What do they want the NFL to do, he wasn't convicted of anything to do with domestic violoence?  All there is is a video of his knocked out fiancee in an elevator. Two games plus a game check, and he won't appeal. Hopefully he's learned from it and moved on. This is why females shouldn't be sports reporters.

Considering Josh Gordon is suspended for a whole year for smoking pot, I'd say this is pretty fucked up.

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Re: NFL athlete & Getbigger - Ray Rice: suspended for 2 games
« Reply #90 on: July 26, 2014, 03:55:17 AM »
Are these the correct facts?

They were both drunk
She punched him repeatedly on video first
Nobody actually saw him punch her

I haven't followed closely - is this accurate? 

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Re: NFL athlete & Getbigger - Ray Rice: suspended for 2 games
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2014, 04:11:10 AM »
Are these the correct facts?

They were both drunk
She punched him repeatedly on video first
Nobody actually saw him punch her

I haven't followed closely - is this accurate?  


I doubt it's accurate. The woman who wrote this article for ESPN seems to be very biased

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Re: NFL athlete & Getbigger - Ray Rice: suspended for 2 games
« Reply #92 on: September 08, 2014, 06:27:22 AM »
new video just released:

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Solid post at ESPN.com concerning Ray Rice/Goodell case
« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2014, 06:54:30 AM »
Eric Austin

"This is so effin ridiculous. N.O.W. is demanding Goodell's head on a platter. The media and public are shaming the NFL. Senators and Congressmen want 'transparency' form the NFL and are making veiled threats because of a 'lack of punishment' and 'failure to recognize the severity' of what Rice did.

Someone please help me here. Last time I checked, it wasn't our employers job to investigate and punish us for criminal acts. Where is the acrimony, outrage and criticism for the police and prosecutors for a lack of punishment? Why are police sharing evidence from a criminal case with the NFL in the first place? The 2-game ban might have been inadequate, but it was actually a MUCH harsher penalty than he received from the criminal justice system.

If Goodell's job is on the line, then shouldn't the jobs of prosecutors and judges be on the line even more? Or does the government get a pass as always?"
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Re: Solid post at ESPN.com concerning Ray Rice/Goodell case
« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2014, 06:57:24 AM »
Spot on

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Re: Solid post at ESPN.com concerning Ray Rice/Goodell case
« Reply #95 on: September 11, 2014, 06:59:22 AM »
Eric Austin

"This is so effin ridiculous. N.O.W. is demanding Goodell's head on a platter. The media and public are shaming the NFL. Senators and Congressmen want 'transparency' form the NFL and are making veiled threats because of a 'lack of punishment' and 'failure to recognize the severity' of what Rice did.

Someone please help me here. Last time I checked, it wasn't our employers job to investigate and punish us for criminal acts. Where is the acrimony, outrage and criticism for the police and prosecutors for a lack of punishment? Why are police sharing evidence from a criminal case with the NFL in the first place? The 2-game ban might have been inadequate, but it was actually a MUCH harsher penalty than he received from the criminal justice system.

If Goodell's job is on the line, then shouldn't the jobs of prosecutors and judges be on the line even more? Or does the government get a pass as always?"
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exactly, I didn't get it at all too

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Re: Solid post at ESPN.com concerning Ray Rice/Goodell case
« Reply #96 on: September 11, 2014, 07:00:46 AM »
Austin may be right but unfortunately the power of the grievance industry is flexing its muscle.  Rice is scum, a bigger scum than Donald Sterling, and its a nice change to see the grievance industry go after one of their own.
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Re: Solid post at ESPN.com concerning Ray Rice/Goodell case
« Reply #97 on: September 11, 2014, 07:03:02 AM »
Eric Austin

"This is so effin ridiculous. N.O.W. is demanding Goodell's head on a platter. The media and public are shaming the NFL. Senators and Congressmen want 'transparency' form the NFL and are making veiled threats because of a 'lack of punishment' and 'failure to recognize the severity' of what Rice did.

Someone please help me here. Last time I checked, it wasn't our employers job to investigate and punish us for criminal acts. Where is the acrimony, outrage and criticism for the police and prosecutors for a lack of punishment? Why are police sharing evidence from a criminal case with the NFL in the first place? The 2-game ban might have been inadequate, but it was actually a MUCH harsher penalty than he received from the criminal justice system.

If Goodell's job is on the line, then shouldn't the jobs of prosecutors and judges be on the line even more? Or does the government get a pass as always?"
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Agreed, I said in another thread that the Prosecutor/ State attorney should have to answer for this.

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Re: Solid post at ESPN.com concerning Ray Rice/Goodell case
« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2014, 07:10:11 AM »
Sad to say but there have been countless other people who have gotten harsher sentences for having half a joint in their car ashtray than this guy gets for knocking a woman out.

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Re: Solid post at ESPN.com concerning Ray Rice/Goodell case
« Reply #99 on: September 11, 2014, 07:11:21 AM »
Sad to say but there have been countless other people who have gotten harsher sentences for having half a joint in their car ashtray than this guy gets for knocking a woman out.

You're right.   Anybody remember Michael Vick?
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