Test, TRT, natural test levels QUESTIONS/BRO SCIENCE

[sagittal chest]

Is 250mg/week of test equivalent to the highest levels of what exceptional people can produce naturally?

Reason I ask is, if you can dial in a dose equivalent to the highest natural levels on the bell curve, I would assume you wouldn't need anti esters, and also you should be able to maintain the mass gained easily -
since it would all be in the realm of normal human variation - albeit the extreme ends of the test bell curve.

Thoughts?

Going for that "nice every day walking around physique".

[_aj_]

IIRC, 250mg/week is supra physiological, quite a bit more than what you could have produced on your own. Typical TRT doses are 100-150mg/14 days.

[sagittal chest]

IIRC, 250mg/week is supra physiological, quite a bit more than what you could have produced on your own. Typical TRT doses are 100-150mg/14 days.

I understand it is hard converting these things,
How much would you say a person with very high natural test would produce?
Is 150 mg/week mid range normal?

[_aj_]

I understand it is hard converting these things,
How much would you say a person with very high natural test would produce?
Is 150 mg/week mid range normal?

A vaguely recall some bro-mathematics that put the equivalent at 80-120mg/week for upper normal range.

[Simple Simon]

What difference does it make if you cant gain muscle?

[Shockwave]

Is 250mg/week of test equivalent to the highest levels of what exceptional people can produce naturally?

Reason I ask is, if you can dial in a dose equivalent to the highest natural levels on the bell curve, I would assume you wouldn't need anti esters, and also you should be able to maintain the mass gained easily -
since it would all be in the realm of normal human variation - albeit the extreme ends of the test bell curve.

Thoughts?

Going for that "nice every day walking around physique".

hrt prescribed for me was 200mg EOW.... I took 100/wk in the beginning. My test levels wheb I got prescribed were 375... which is horrible for a 30 year old. Apparently years of rec drug abuse took their toll on my body.

anyway, 100-200mg weekly is beyond high normal and most will make good gains I think.

[sagittal chest]

Good responses guys.

In your opinion are anti esters absolutely necessary on 250/week?

[Simple Simon]

lose fat, look fuller, be more vascular, give illusion you have more muscle or am I talking shit?

Not talking shit , just wrong end of the stick.
I mean what difference does it make to an individual what his test levels are if he cant gain muscle.

[sagittal chest]

At what point do anti esters become absolutely necessary?

I am on 250/wk now +25 mg/wk tren. I take an anti once A week.

Could I drop the tren and the anti ester?

[Simple Simon]

At what point do anti esters become absolutely necessary?

I am on 250/wk now +25 mg/wk tren. I take an anti once A week.

Could I drop the tren and the anti ester?

25mgs of tren, seriously?
If you get itchy tits take an anti ester, why take something you dont need?

[Simple Simon]

Would have presumed higher test levels = more muscle or not the case?

Surely you are aware of the punctured tyre concept?
Its easier to change a punctured bicycle inner tube by removing the tyre with the correct equipment as opposed to two teaspoons.
Always remember to check the inside of the tyre for sharp objects , it saves time having to repair the tyre agin later.

[sagittal chest]

25mgs of tren, seriously?
If you get itchy tits take an anti ester, why take something you dont need?

By the time you have itchy tits, tissue is growing.
Makes more sense to be pre emptive.

I haven't had itchy tits though, well maybe once. Not sure.

[Icelord]

lol what
the average man produces a quarter that, 75mg tops

[sagittal chest]

lol what
the average man produces a quarter that, 75mg tops

Talking the highest amount that is still considered normal range.

Shockwave said 200mg/wk is equivalent to upper natural limit,
Aj said 120mg/wk.

I wonder too is such 'small' amounts would shut down natural levels

[Icelord]

Basically the way I was explained it by my doc was that you need to take enough to take into account the shut down of your own test levels.

So while say 100mg might be = to upper limit, the 100mg will make your natty test shut down so you need to take 200mg or something along those lines.

I told him fuck it i wanna do 500mg, he told me I was idiot and that's crazy so I compromised and decided on 250mg, see how its goes and shoot up if need be.

Your GP is on the money. He may not be a BBer but he understands the hormonal profile of a steroid user and its effects on everything from the endocrine system to hemoglobin production.

[Simple Simon]

Basically the way I was explained it by my doc was that you need to take enough to take into account the shut down of your own test levels.

So while say 100mg might be = to upper limit, the 100mg will make your natty test shut down so you need to take 200mg or something along those lines.

I told him fuck it i wanna do 500mg, he told me I was idiot and that's crazy so I compromised and decided on 250mg, see how its goes and shoot up if need be.

Can you ask him to explain why I blew up 20lbs on less than 20mgs a day of Winstrol tabs?

[Simple Simon]

I don't know the answer to that, wouldn't want to speculate but it wouldn't be completely out of the realms of possibility that you thought you bought Winny but were taking D-bol or Aboms instead.

That's why I would never personally touch underground gear no matter how reputable the source.

I hear this bullshit the whole time...."oh dude I shoot 20IU GH"......uhhh the fuck you do......you shooting 20IU of sugar water or HCG muthafucker, trying shooting 20IU of real Pfazer Genotropin and see how quickly you shit yourself from the CTS.

Wasnt underground gear it was bought in Spain from the chemist.

[galeniko]

Is 250mg/week of test equivalent to the highest levels of what exceptional people can produce naturally?

Reason I ask is, if you can dial in a dose equivalent to the highest natural levels on the bell curve, I would assume you wouldn't need anti esters, and also you should be able to maintain the mass gained easily -
since it would all be in the realm of normal human variation - albeit the extreme ends of the test bell curve.

Thoughts?

Going for that "nice every day walking around physique".

thought?
not thoughts here is info.
250week is EXTREMLY much higher than the best teenage mullato will ever have.
if you sustract the ester weight,the inactive part, its 180mg test.

best genetics will procuse 10mg on a good day.so thats 2 and half time the best possibel.

but for normal joe, thats 5-10 times the natural production.

and anti estrogens needs arent just dosage dependent.infact the high natural test guys often have high estradiol readings to, bc one comes with the other.
the low test guys often have low estradiol along with that.

and if you copy the hormon enviroment of the young mullato who produces 10mg day, youre forgetting,he has a young and fresh liver, ie good metabolism, and he will have much hgh secretion along with that.

test is just one factor.

[Icelord]

best genetics will procuse 10mg on a good day.so thats 2 and half time the best possibel.

but for normal joe, thats 5-10 times the natural production.

[Icelord]

No idea bro, can't speculate on that?

Probably best to focus on yourself and ignore other peoples' BS claims on the Internet. Keep it between you  and your GP, and the GBers that know what they're talking about in this thread (atm, just galeniko).

[Simple Simon]

Probably best to focus on yourself and ignore other peoples' BS claims on the Internet. Keep it between you  and your GP, and the GBers that know what they're talking about in this thread (atm, just galeniko).

You include yourself in that total?

[Simple Simon]

No idea bro, can't speculate on that?

Im not asking you to speculate Im asking you to ask your doctor to explain it to you.

[Simple Simon]

What specifically is the question you would like me to ask him? I'll text him for you.

Is the question "My mate simple simon wants to know how come he blew up 20lb's on 20mg of Winstrol daily?

I suspect he is going to require a little bit more info.

Text him the bike tyre procedure, that should be enough for the time being.

[Icelord]

x 2

Or take it to PMs. As you can see, every thread you or I post in appears to transform into a sewage treatment plant
because they attract all types of human shit
 

[Simple Simon]

Or take it to PMs. As you can see, every thread you or I post in appears to transform into a sewage treatment plant
because they attract all types of human shit
 

Perfect, no one wants to see you flip flopping around whenever the situation requires a different answer.