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Inside the Right Wing Mind
« on: February 24, 2014, 07:18:46 AM »
 “An explanation of Right Wing authoritarians (“RWA”) in general has been provided by Albert Bandura of Stanford University. Bandura says that aggression occurs after two switches are thrown. First some bad feeling like anger or envy stirs up hostility. But that by itself won’t lead to aggression. An angry individual who wants to attack someone may anticipate getting punched in return, or ending up in jail. Or he may have moral restraints against hurting others. So the second stage involves overcoming these restraints, setting aside these inhibitions, letting the aggression erupt and flow.”

The Instigator.  What sort of bad feelings are likely to be burning away inside high RWAs that would create an urge to attack?”...  “Authoritarian followers score highly on the Dangerous World scale (personality scale test), and it’s not just because some of the items have a religious context. High RWAs are, in general, more afraid than most people are. They got a “2 for 1 Special Deal” on fear somehow. Maybe they’ve inherited genes that incline them to fret and tremble. Maybe not. But we do know that they were raised by their parents to be afraid of others, because both the parents and their children tell us so.” … “Thus it turns out in experiments that a person’s fear of a dangerous world predicts various kinds of authoritarian aggression better than any other unpleasant feeling…”

The Releaser. What releases the aggressive impulse that comes from fear? What slides off the safety on the gun? This, it turns out, is a no-brainer.”  How good, how moral are you, compared to other people?” ...  ‘If you’re an average human being, you’ll think you’re a better than average human being. Almost everybody thinks she’s more moral than most. But high RWAs typically think they’re way, way better. They are the Holy Ones. They are the Chosen. They are the Righteous. They somehow got a three-for-one special on self-righteousness. And self-righteousness appears to release authoritarian aggression more than anything else.”

Conclusion.  “Chronically frightened authoritarian followers, looking for someone to attack because fighting is one of the things people do when they are afraid, are particularly likely to do so when they can find a moral justification for their hostility. Despite all the things in scriptures about loving others, forgiving others, leaving punishment to God, and so on, authoritarian followers feel empowered to isolate and segregate, to humiliate, to persecute, to beat, and to kill in the middle of the night, because in their heads they can almost hear the loudspeakers announcing, “Now batting for God’s team, his designated hitter, (their name).  Thus in the experiments done on this subject, if you know how highly people scored on the Dangerous World scale, and if you know how self-righteous they are, you can explain rather well the homophobia of authoritarian followers, their heavy- handedness in sentencing criminals, their prejudices against racial and ethnic minorities, why minorities, why they are so mean-spirited toward those who have erred and suffered, and their readiness to join posses to ride down Communists, radicals, or whomever.”

“[R]esearch reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. These seven deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking eminently qualify them to follow a would-be dictator.”

Most of you RWAs will push the dialectic screaming about left wing authoritarianism.  Some might actually take the constructive analysis and start questioning their values.  There is hope.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 07:28:16 AM »
laughable considering you leftist communists pos are the ones pushing govt control over everyones' behavior

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 07:30:45 AM »
All of the examples you listed could easily apply to the left.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 07:45:41 AM »
“An explanation of Right Wing authoritarians (“RWA”) in general has been provided by Albert Bandura of Stanford University. Bandura says that aggression occurs after two switches are thrown. First some bad feeling like anger or envy stirs up hostility. But that by itself won’t lead to aggression. An angry individual who wants to attack someone may anticipate getting punched in return, or ending up in jail. Or he may have moral restraints against hurting others. So the second stage involves overcoming these restraints, setting aside these inhibitions, letting the aggression erupt and flow.”

The Instigator.  What sort of bad feelings are likely to be burning away inside high RWAs that would create an urge to attack?”...  “Authoritarian followers score highly on the Dangerous World scale (personality scale test), and it’s not just because some of the items have a religious context. High RWAs are, in general, more afraid than most people are. They got a “2 for 1 Special Deal” on fear somehow. Maybe they’ve inherited genes that incline them to fret and tremble. Maybe not. But we do know that they were raised by their parents to be afraid of others, because both the parents and their children tell us so.” … “Thus it turns out in experiments that a person’s fear of a dangerous world predicts various kinds of authoritarian aggression better than any other unpleasant feeling…”

The Releaser. What releases the aggressive impulse that comes from fear? What slides off the safety on the gun? This, it turns out, is a no-brainer.”  How good, how moral are you, compared to other people?” ...  ‘If you’re an average human being, you’ll think you’re a better than average human being. Almost everybody thinks she’s more moral than most. But high RWAs typically think they’re way, way better. They are the Holy Ones. They are the Chosen. They are the Righteous. They somehow got a three-for-one special on self-righteousness. And self-righteousness appears to release authoritarian aggression more than anything else.”

Conclusion.  “Chronically frightened authoritarian followers, looking for someone to attack because fighting is one of the things people do when they are afraid, are particularly likely to do so when they can find a moral justification for their hostility. Despite all the things in scriptures about loving others, forgiving others, leaving punishment to God, and so on, authoritarian followers feel empowered to isolate and segregate, to humiliate, to persecute, to beat, and to kill in the middle of the night, because in their heads they can almost hear the loudspeakers announcing, “Now batting for God’s team, his designated hitter, (their name).  Thus in the experiments done on this subject, if you know how highly people scored on the Dangerous World scale, and if you know how self-righteous they are, you can explain rather well the homophobia of authoritarian followers, their heavy- handedness in sentencing criminals, their prejudices against racial and ethnic minorities, why minorities, why they are so mean-spirited toward those who have erred and suffered, and their readiness to join posses to ride down Communists, radicals, or whomever.”

“[R]esearch reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. These seven deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking eminently qualify them to follow a would-be dictator.”

Most of you RWAs will push the dialectic screaming about left wing authoritarianism.  Some might actually take the constructive analysis and start questioning their values.  There is hope.

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_803_22-inspiring-acts-kindness-that-no-one-ever-talks-about_p22/#22

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um yeah.  hey pot did you meet kettle?  don't be that guy dude.  it makes you sound stupid.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 08:12:40 AM »
laughable considering you leftist communists pos are the ones pushing govt control over everyones' behavior

I want no gov influence on anything a rationale adult can decide for themselves, including abortion, gay rights, right to hate speech, guns, drugs etc..rationale people are rarely good because of the law, in fact the law is made to control idiots. You want to control woman's bodies, what religions are in school, christmas etc... This is projection moron, read about it, you are what you hate most. You are the failure that trys so hard in every other area to garner some self worth from your manchild frame and piss poor face which looks like it got stuck in the birth canal and has permenant forcep marks like a dented car.

We want your money, I want it all, I want the poor to have everything and do nothing, I will work for them, I want jesus back in the schools and the money to read in jesus we trust. Did you know that the ten commandments are on display in DC? I find the first few really helpful for our legal system. What would we have done without this divine inspiration?

Just lie down.


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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 08:14:28 AM »
I want no gov influence on anything a rationale adult can decide for themselves, including abortion, gay rights, right to hate speech, guns, drugs etc..rationale people are rarely good because of the law, in fact the law is made to control idiots. You want to control woman's bodies, what religions are in school, christmas etc... This is projection moron, read about it, you are what you hate most. You are the failure that trys so hard in every other area to garner some self worth from your manchild frame and piss poor face which looks like it got stuck in the birth canal and has permenant forcep marks like a dented car.

We want your money, I want it all, I want the poor to have everything and do nothing, I will work for them, I want jesus back in the schools and the money to read in jesus we trust. Did you know that the ten commandments are on display in DC? I find the first few really helpful for our legal system. What would we have done without this divine inspiration?

Just lie down.



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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 08:18:17 AM »
I want no gov influence on anything a rationale adult can decide for themselves, including abortion, gay rights, right to hate speech, guns, drugs etc..rationale people are rarely good because of the law, in fact the law is made to control idiots. You want to control woman's bodies, what religions are in school, christmas etc... This is projection moron, read about it, you are what you hate most. You are the failure that trys so hard in every other area to garner some self worth from your manchild frame and piss poor face which looks like it got stuck in the birth canal and has permenant forcep marks like a dented car.

We want your money, I want it all, I want the poor to have everything and do nothing, I will work for them, I want jesus back in the schools and the money to read in jesus we trust. Did you know that the ten commandments are on display in DC? I find the first few really helpful for our legal system. What would we have done without this divine inspiration?

Just lie down.



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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 08:54:42 AM »
Don't stir up "doc".....
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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2014, 09:22:51 AM »
laughable considering you leftist communists pos are the ones pushing govt control over everyones' behavior
Do you see how that first sentence of the last paragraph in the OP predicted with an absolute certainty what the RAW response would be?

And how did you respond again?

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2014, 09:25:44 AM »
um yeah.  hey pot did you meet kettle?  don't be that guy dude.  it makes you sound stupid.
Do you see how that first sentence of the last paragraph in the OP predicted with an absolute certainty what the RAW response would be?

And how did you respond again?

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2014, 09:26:42 AM »
All of the examples you listed could easily apply to the left.
Do you see how that first sentence of the last paragraph in the OP predicted with an absolute certainty what the RAW response would be?

And how did you respond again?

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2014, 09:30:13 AM »
Do you see how that first sentence of the last paragraph in the OP predicted with an absolute certainty what the RAW response would be?

And how did you respond again?

Who gives a fuck?  This thing is a complete joke

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2014, 09:31:40 AM »
Do you see how that first sentence of the last paragraph in the OP predicted with an absolute certainty what the RAW response would be?

And how did you respond again?

 I responded by stating a fact.  The left is just as bad as the right when it comes to wanting control and silencing people who question their ideological point of view. 

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2014, 09:41:27 AM »
The personality scale test (The Dangerous World Test, aka scientific inquiry) shows that the extreme authoritarians are right wingers.  Look at the threads on this board.  That is not a stretch.

Everyone has authoritarian aspects to their personalities or else traffic lights and laws in general wouldn't work.  We all obey to a certain degree.  Right Wingers do it to the extreme because they are demonstrably more afraid of life in general.  Couple that with their complete and utter self-righteousness which results in the acceptance of any dogmatic assertion the 'supports their side' and you have Soul Crusher and his type.   Got the Libtard...Boom its obvious.  In other words, they compensate for their fear with a "my shit doesn't stink' attitude.'  I don't want to get too scientific here.

Now will 240 wonder why Fox has such a devoted audience that busts the ratings?  Lockstep observance.

Now does it seem clear why the right wingers don't like guns, they love them?  Extreme fear of everything.

Now is it starting to become apparent why every statement from the right has 'libtard', 'commie', 'pos,' in it?  And what are we liberals to do?  Soak up the punishment just b/c we know better?  Not likely.  We call names back and then that's the erroneous basis for the "they are authoritarians too" line the right spews.  Like I said, we all have that aspect to our character.  It's just super extreme in right wingers.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2014, 09:44:51 AM »
Who gives a fuck?  This thing is a complete joke
No, it is science.  And you don't like it.  Otherwise, by all means, point out the joke part of the post and the source


You're a smart guy, so this should be no problem.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2014, 09:45:17 AM »
You challenge any of the lefts dogma and you're bound to get the same reaction.  The left have their own scriptures they adhere to on faith alone.  

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2014, 09:51:25 AM »
I responded by stating a fact.  The left is just as bad as the right when it comes to wanting control and silencing people who question their ideological point of view. 
What fact?  You merely applied the conclusions asserted to the left.  Look at the supporting evidence in the second link.  Extreme authoritarianism is what defines the right wing.  Not all.  But enough.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2014, 09:55:47 AM »
You challenge any of the lefts dogma and you're bound to get the same reaction.  The left have their own scriptures they adhere to on faith alone.  
By all means, start a thread to show that.  Otherwise, I'll stick to the conclusions drawn from the testing in this thread.  Extreme fear of a lot of things coupled with a bloated sense of self-importance results in the RAW.  They are highly dogmatic and compartmentalized in their thinking, hypocritical, abusive, and ethnocentrically on steroids (that's not what you think it is).

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2014, 09:56:43 AM »
What fact?  You merely applied the conclusions asserted to the left.  Look at the supporting evidence in the second link.  Extreme authoritarianism is what defines the right wing.  Not all.  But enough.

I won't deny that the right fits nicely into the authoritarian model.  My point is the left engage in the same type of oppressive behavior as the right.  While asserting they are champions of the underclass and personal freedom they enact or attempt to enact all kinds of laws that limit what they consider to be unacceptable.   This oppressive push for conformity is most obvious in academia.  

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2014, 10:04:01 AM »
I won't deny that the right fits nicely into the authoritarian model.  My point is the left engage in the same type of oppressive behavior as the right.  While asserting they are champions of the underclass and personal freedom they enact or attempt to enact all kinds of laws that limit what they consider to be unacceptable.   This oppressive push for conformity is most obvious in academia.  
Education is a mixture of conformity and rebellion.  To learn, you have to conform to what is being taught.  But you also question everything.

If you don't acknowledge that as somewhat true, then you are left with a conspiracy theory where educators are "in on it" trying to brainwash kids instead of teaching them.

We are a society of laws and regulations that define what is acceptable.  That's how law works.

That's not to say there is not bad law or bad education.  But we have the luxury of thinking and deciding what is bullshit and what isn't..  RAWs cut off that sort of reflective, critical thinking almost automatically unless it supports their values OR if they live through the experience:  participating in class instead of holding a grudge silently in the back of the room b/c of fear of direct confrontation, or actually knowing a homosexual and not wanting that person to be treated like a second class citizen.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2014, 10:08:44 AM »
Education is a mixture of conformity and rebellion.  To learn, you have to conform to what is being taught.  But you also question everything.

If you don't acknowledge that as somewhat true, then you are left with a conspiracy theory where educators are "in on it" trying to brainwash kids instead of teaching them.

We are a society of laws and regulations that define what is acceptable.  That's how law works.

That's not to say there is not bad law or bad education.  But we have the luxury of thinking and deciding what is bullshit and what isn't..  RAWs cut off that sort of reflective, critical thinking almost automatically unless it supports their values OR if they live through the experience:  participating in class instead of holding a grudge silently in the back of the room b/c of fear of direct confrontation, or actually knowing a homosexual and not wanting that person to be treated like a second class citizen.

your verbose rambling may impress some who don't seek content, only argument.  not me. 

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2014, 10:09:13 AM »
Education is a mixture of conformity and rebellion.  To learn, you have to conform to what is being taught.  But you also question everything.

If you don't acknowledge that as somewhat true, then you are left with a conspiracy theory where educators are "in on it" trying to brainwash kids instead of teaching them.

We are a society of laws and regulations that define what is acceptable.  That's how law works.

That's not to say there is not bad law or bad education.  But we have the luxury of thinking and deciding what is bullshit and what isn't..  RAWs cut off that sort of reflective, critical thinking almost automatically unless it supports their values OR if they live through the experience:  participating in class instead of holding a grudge silently in the back of the room b/c of fear of direct confrontation, or actually knowing a homosexual and not wanting that person to be treated like a second class citizen.

Yes, educators do intend to indoctrinate their students into their way of thinking.  You go into a baptist church and they are going to want you to believe what they say is the truth.  You attend UC Berkley and you will get the same experience.  

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2014, 10:13:08 AM »
Education is a mixture of conformity and rebellion.  To learn, you have to conform to what is being taught.  But you also question everything.

If you don't acknowledge that as somewhat true, then you are left with a conspiracy theory where educators are "in on it" trying to brainwash kids instead of teaching them.

We are a society of laws and regulations that define what is acceptable.  That's how law works.

That's not to say there is not bad law or bad education.  But we have the luxury of thinking and deciding what is bullshit and what isn't..  RAWs cut off that sort of reflective, critical thinking almost automatically unless it supports their values OR if they live through the experience:  participating in class instead of holding a grudge silently in the back of the room b/c of fear of direct confrontation, or actually knowing a homosexual and not wanting that person to be treated like a second class citizen.

also your idiotic belief that right wingers have a monopoly on aggression only proves my point as to how your hypothesis (that you stole from someone else and are simply plagiarizing by the way) is silly at best, bigoted at worst.  take your shit and leave.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2014, 10:27:29 AM »
your verbose rambling may impress some who don't seek content, only argument.  not me. 
Thanks for coming into this thread to let me know that you're not impressed.  Do you do that with every thread that doesn't meet the Bear stamp of approval? 

Frankly I'm not impressed either b/c this cliff notes OP doesn't do justice to the richness of the explanation of what drives right wingers.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2014, 10:30:54 AM »
Yes, educators do intend to indoctrinate their students into their way of thinking.  You go into a baptist church and they are going to want you to believe what they say is the truth.  You attend UC Berkley and you will get the same experience.  
What's the difference between proselytizing and education?  One has peer review of the work product and educational standards and the other expects wholesale acceptance of testament as unvarnished truth from God.

There is no reasonable comparison btn the two as similar.  They are entirely dissimilar and there's a whole lot of caselaw out there that makes that assertion pretty evident.