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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2014, 02:45:56 PM »
All of the examples you listed could easily apply to the left.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2014, 02:50:53 PM »
Well I take that all back.  You certainly have a healthy respect for Canadians.  Your words drip with respect.

Now that's called 'sarcasm.'

All Canadian's are arrogant and retarded in your words and what exactly are you?  Humble? 

Classic RWA behavior.  I came here looking for some fodder and man, you guys do not disappoint.

I know several smart, unassuming, friendly Canadians.  They don't post on this board. 

I come here for entertainment too.  I agree the board does not disappoint.   :)

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2014, 03:09:08 PM »
i'm starting to read it actually.  I won't lie its well written and pretty interesting.  here's one problem that I have off the get go though.  He is obviously pandering to left wing readers as he quickly asserts the fact that there are FWA's and LWA's,.........

"But the left-wing authoritarians on my campus disappeared long ago. Similarly in America “the Weathermen” blew away in the wind. I’m sure one can find left-wing authoritarians here and there, but they hardly exist in sufficient numbers now to threaten democracy in North America. However I have found bucketfuls of right-wing authoritarians in nearly every sample I have drawn in Canada and the United States for the past three decades."

Translation: I have the opportunity to be fair and seek an honest assessment of why people view the political arena in the way that they do, but I'm not here to seek truth.  I'm here to pander to my liberal lemmings so for the sake of this essay i'm going to assume that liberals who "readily submit to the established authorities in society, attacks others in their name, and is highly conventional" just simply do not exist anymore.  Not a one.  None.  Zero zip zilch nada.  

His behavior assessment is impressive and I do admit that right wingers are guilty of pretty much all of what he says but if you can't see through his obvious attempt to completely absolve his left wing audience (those are the only people who have given this man the time of day.  right wingers have jobs and shit.  he knows where his bread is buttered) of any of these behaviors which he so eloquently likes to attach solely to people who vote republican I just feel sorry for you.  come on man.  I'll see you guys tomorrow.  I have a shit ton of work to do.
How does his observation change the conclusions drawn from the data?  Every person has authoritarian aspects to her personality.  A cross section of test subjects does not change that fact.  Nor is the fact changed that the responses to the personality scale tests (and others) indicate extreme authoritarian streaks in the right wing subjects.  The left wingers just don't have the same responses made by the right wingers.

You don't have to 'translate' the Bob's words.  They are pretty plain.  Based on the political orientation and responses / actions in the experiments, the vast bulk of right wing respondents have extreme authoritarian personalities and impulses and, as such, they are primed as tools for any sort of dictatorial type political leader.   Where you see prejudice, I see an elaboration.

Does this sound like a man with prejudicial motives for the paper:

"Liberals have stereotypes about conservatives, and conservatives have stereotypes about liberals. Moderates have stereotypes about both. Anyone who has watched, or been a liberal arguing with a conservative (or vice versa) knows that personal opinion and rhetoric can be had a penny a pound. But arguing never seems to get anywhere. Whereas if you set up a fair and square experiment in which people can act nobly, fairly, and with integrity, and you find that most of one group does, and most of another group does not, that’s a fact, not an opinion. And if you keep finding the same thing experiment after experiment, and other people do too, then that’s a body of facts that demands attention.3 Some people, we have seen to our dismay, don’t care a hoot what scientific investigation reveals; but most people do. If the data were fairly gathered and we let them do the talking, we should be on a higher plane than the current, “Sez you""

The answer is most certainly, "no."

Of course Bob anticipates your objection in the footnotes:

" I have found that some people make assumptions about why I study authoritarianism that get in the way of what the data have to say. The stereotype about professors is that they are tall, thin, and liberals. I=m more liberal than I am tall and thin, that=s for sure. But I don=t think anyone who knows me well would say I am a left-winger. My wife is a liberal, and she and all her liberal friends will tell you I am definitely not one of them. Sometimes they make me leave the room. I have quite mixed feelings about abortion, labor unions, welfare and warfare. I supported the war in Afghanistan from the beginning; I disapproved of the war in Iraq from its start in March 2003.  
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist Party, or any other political party. ...

"I hope you=ll agree that the studies were fair and square. It=s your call, of course, and everybody else=s. That=s the beauty of the scientific method. If another researcher--and there are hundreds of them--thinks I only got the results I did because of the particular way I set things up, phrased things, and so on, she can repeat my experiment her way, find out, and let everybody know what happened.  It=s the wonderful way science polices and corrects itself."
 
That hardly sounds like a clinician with an ulterior motive to butter liberalism's bread.            

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2014, 03:41:30 PM »
You're narcissistic.  It's not brilliance it's a mental illness.

No I am not narcissistic in the slightest, I admit my faults and my gifts like everyone. I am gifted whether you like it or not fruit, I am not wearing it as a badge of honor, it comes with many shitty issues. Particularly when I was young.

What you are having a hard time understanding is that I have a heightened sense of self, which can present as arrogance, I am self depreciating as well.


I am just stating facts guy. I did not say I was brilliant, I am not a genius, that is one step above and very few truly exist. They are the giants of the world, the trendsetters, idea creators, problem solvers, they are the best humanity has.

Intelligence is our crowning achievement, it should be held up as such and recognized as the only avenue passable if we are to avoid desolation. If we fail to progress we will slip into oblivion with creationism being the handbook.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2014, 03:43:13 PM »
How does his observation change the conclusions drawn from the data?  Every person has authoritarian aspects to her personality.  A cross section of test subjects does not change that fact.  Nor is the fact changed that the responses to the personality scale tests (and others) indicate extreme authoritarian streaks in the right wing subjects.  The left wingers just don't have the same responses made by the right wingers.

You don't have to 'translate' the Bob's words.  They are pretty plain.  Based on the political orientation and responses / actions in the experiments, the vast bulk of right wing respondents have extreme authoritarian personalities and impulses and, as such, they are primed as tools for any sort of dictatorial type political leader.   Where you see prejudice, I see an elaboration.

Does this sound like a man with prejudicial motives for the paper:

"Liberals have stereotypes about conservatives, and conservatives have stereotypes about liberals. Moderates have stereotypes about both. Anyone who has watched, or been a liberal arguing with a conservative (or vice versa) knows that personal opinion and rhetoric can be had a penny a pound. But arguing never seems to get anywhere. Whereas if you set up a fair and square experiment in which people can act nobly, fairly, and with integrity, and you find that most of one group does, and most of another group does not, that’s a fact, not an opinion. And if you keep finding the same thing experiment after experiment, and other people do too, then that’s a body of facts that demands attention.3 Some people, we have seen to our dismay, don’t care a hoot what scientific investigation reveals; but most people do. If the data were fairly gathered and we let them do the talking, we should be on a higher plane than the current, “Sez you""

The answer is most certainly, "no."

Of course Bob anticipates your objection in the footnotes:

" I have found that some people make assumptions about why I study authoritarianism that get in the way of what the data have to say. The stereotype about professors is that they are tall, thin, and liberals. I=m more liberal than I am tall and thin, that=s for sure. But I don=t think anyone who knows me well would say I am a left-winger. My wife is a liberal, and she and all her liberal friends will tell you I am definitely not one of them. Sometimes they make me leave the room. I have quite mixed feelings about abortion, labor unions, welfare and warfare. I supported the war in Afghanistan from the beginning; I disapproved of the war in Iraq from its start in March 2003.  
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist Party, or any other political party. ...

"I hope you=ll agree that the studies were fair and square. It=s your call, of course, and everybody else=s. That=s the beauty of the scientific method. If another researcher--and there are hundreds of them--thinks I only got the results I did because of the particular way I set things up, phrased things, and so on, she can repeat my experiment her way, find out, and let everybody know what happened.  It=s the wonderful way science polices and corrects itself."
 
That hardly sounds like a clinician with an ulterior motive to butter liberalism's bread.            

so does the author consider himself right wing or left wing?  if he's for sure not left wing does that make the author himself a right winger?  I can relate in that when I argue politics with my friends they accuse me of being a far right loon and when I discuss politics at Thanksgiving with my family I'm the fucking male version of Rachel Maddow.  

if he can't classify himself how can he classify his test subjects?  doesn't everyone lie somewhere in a range?  I honestly don't think that there are too many right wingers and left wingers.  the author seems to place himself above the common man in that he cans the test subjects into right wing, left wing, but the author himself is far too layered and open minded to be placed in one can or another.  hmm.  he's exempt from a label but everyone else is not?  is he above labels?  


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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2014, 03:49:22 PM »
so does the author consider himself right wing or left wing?  if he's for sure not left wing does that make the author himself a right winger?  I can relate in that when I argue politics with my friends they accuse me of being a far right loon and when I discuss politics at Thanksgiving with my family I'm the fucking male version of Rachel Maddow.  

if he can't classify himself how can he classify his test subjects?  doesn't everyone lie somewhere in a range?  I honestly don't think that there are too many right wingers and left wingers.  the author seems to place himself above the common man in that he cans the test subjects into right wing, left wing, but the author himself is far too layered and open minded to be placed in one can or another.  hmm.  he's exempt from a label but everyone else is not?  is he above labels?  



If any study is shitty enough to use the above methodology it can be casted aside without reason. If they did not define left and right and instead are based on the whim of the author then it is N=1 and inherently biased.

I didn't even read anything, but I know you are a tard so I simply will argue against you in hopes I am right in the rare event anyone is less lazy then me and actually reads everything.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2014, 04:03:59 PM »
If any study is shitty enough to use the above methodology it can be casted aside without reason. If they did not define left and right and instead are based on the whim of the author then it is N=1 and inherently biased.

I didn't even read anything, but I know you are a tard so I simply will argue against you in hopes I am right in the rare event anyone is less lazy then me and actually reads everything.

if that's not RWA I don't know what is.  why are you so aggressive? 

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2014, 04:07:17 PM »
and Fred, don't mind Necrosis he's just an angry person.  i'm honestly not trying to be a complete smartass when I asked what the author considers himself to be.   its about 50% smartass and 50% I actually want to know.  from what I read I don't see where he puts himself.  is there a sliding scale of RWA and LWA?   does he consider himself to be a RWA?  I think that would actually be quite interesting from a psychological perspective.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2014, 04:10:31 PM »
If any study is shitty enough to use the above methodology it can be casted aside without reason. If they did not define left and right and instead are based on the whim of the author then it is N=1 and inherently biased.

I didn't even read anything, but I know you are a tard so I simply will argue against you in hopes I am right in the rare event anyone is less lazy then me and actually reads everything.

and you should be working on why GE and Facebook paid no taxes one year a while back.  I asked you to tell me in what part of the IRC they found the unfair tax loophole.  aren't you an authority on US tax now?

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2014, 04:16:52 PM »
if that's not RWA I don't know what is.  why are you so aggressive? 

lol, I am fucking around dude.


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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2014, 04:17:52 PM »
and you should be working on why GE and Facebook paid no taxes one year a while back.  I asked you to tell me in what part of the IRC they found the unfair tax loophole.  aren't you an authority on US tax now?


I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

Calm down you nancy

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2014, 04:18:26 PM »
lol, I am fucking around dude.



I knew you were going to say that.  all you RWA guys are all the same.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2014, 04:20:24 PM »

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

Calm down you nancy

again with the aggression.  and calling someone a "nancy" is offensive to the LGBT community.  stop it.  I know you and all your right wing friends may find it funny.  but there are real people who don't find it humorous at all. 

again displaying RWA behavior.  you're like the poster child.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2014, 04:35:04 PM »
again with the aggression.  and calling someone a "nancy" is offensive to the LGBT community.  stop it.  I know you and all your right wing friends may find it funny.  but there are real people who don't find it humorous at all. 

again displaying RWA behavior.  you're like the poster child.

I am sorry but this is such a samantha thing to say. I intend offense, offensiveness has it's purpose.
Also,

You are doing a bad job of playing this bleeding heart liberal role, the last line indicates that you don't consider the RWA's people, aka you may find it funny when I creampie you.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2014, 07:15:28 AM »
I responded by stating a fact.  The left is just as bad as the right when it comes to wanting control and silencing people who question their ideological point of view. 

Not accurate.  Not if "just as bad" equals "exactly as bad". 

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2014, 07:17:14 AM »
Not accurate.  Not if "just as bad" equals "exactly as bad". 

What are the rates of violence among those who identify as the left versus those on the right?  I honestly don't know. 

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2014, 07:21:56 AM »
This was written by a Canadian?  I'm pretty sure I don't care what he thinks. 

You are joking, right?

(Because you do know that Americans didn't write that one book that you seem to care an awful lot about, don't ya?)

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2014, 07:30:24 AM »
What are the rates of violence among those who identify as the left versus those on the right?  I honestly don't know. 

Me neither.  For all I know, it could be worse on the left, but that'd still mean that "just as" is inaccurate.

In other words, I'd not have said anything about your claim if you'd said "similar to" instead of "just as".


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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2014, 07:31:35 AM »
Me neither.  For all I know, it could be worse on the left, but that'd still mean that "just as" is inaccurate.

In other words, I'd not have said anything about your claim if you'd said "similar to" instead of "just as".



I stand corrected.  Similar to is a much better description.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2014, 07:40:24 AM »
I stand corrected.  Similar to is a much better description.

Dude, I'm not sure how to deal with this new reasonable SS4U. 

You feeling OK? :)

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2014, 07:42:10 AM »
Dude, I'm not sure how to deal with this new reasonable SS4U. 

You feeling OK? :)

I can't hide my natural inclinations.  I'm a terrible troll.

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2014, 10:25:59 AM »
You are joking, right?

(Because you do know that Americans didn't write that one book that you seem to care an awful lot about, don't ya?)

No I'm not joking.  A disproportionate number of you Canadians are out to lunch.

Don't know what book you're talking about.

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« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2014, 07:24:20 PM »
Dumb thread, shame on everyone who even replied (myself included)...  ;D

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Re: Inside the Right Wing Mind
« Reply #73 on: February 26, 2014, 12:58:51 PM »
No I'm not joking.  A disproportionate number of you Canadians are out to lunch.

Don't know what book you're talking about.

Canadians?  Whatchoo' talkin' about, Willis? 

Ninja, please.  I was born and raised in CA.

Hmmmm.  Maybe calling me a "Canadian" is some new slang? 

(Wait, it comes from BB so there's very little chance that it's new anything.)

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« Reply #74 on: February 26, 2014, 01:44:17 PM »
Canadians?  Whatchoo' talkin' about, Willis? 

Ninja, please.  I was born and raised in CA.

Hmmmm.  Maybe calling me a "Canadian" is some new slang? 

(Wait, it comes from BB so there's very little chance that it's new anything.)

Whatever you say.