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Why would I say otherwise?  To do so would be a lie.  You can think for yourself and arrive at the same conclusion as others, can you not?  Of course you can!  That you think my conclusion is wrong does not make it so nor does it make the fact that I arrived at it myself by way of reason and logic which in turn was taught me by my parents as well as others throughout my life.

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Quite interesting how if YOU say you think for yourself, you're a "nutter", but if someone else says they do, then they are a free thinker.

Very interesting indeed.

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So you read a book written by a quack, believe every word and somehow Americans are the brainwashed ones?

LOL ;D
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Why would I say otherwise?  To do so would be a lie.  You can think for yourself and arrive at the same conclusion as others, can you not?  Of course you can!  That you think my conclusion is wrong does not make it so nor does it make the fact that I arrived at it myself by way of reason and logic which in turn was taught me by my parents as well as others throughout my life.

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I didn't think you would get it. That's great that others with extreme irrational bias and a head full of lies taught you everything you know. 
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So you read a book written by a quack, believe every word and somehow Americans are the brainwashed ones?
I don't believe every word Chomsky says, he makes some very valid points that are easily verified with some basic observation.  You only need to observe America's gun culture from outside of it to understand how such indoctrination and thought control works.
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Quite interesting how if YOU say you think for yourself, you're a "nutter", but if someone else says they do, then they are a free thinker.

Very interesting indeed.

Some people (and this can happen to any of us really) tend to look for hatred, evil or anything negative everywhere but within themselves.  It happens and as I said it can happen to any of us.  Just because a million people say something does not make it right.  Or for that matter, wrong.

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I don't believe every word Chomsky says, he makes some very valid points that are easily verified with some basic observation.  You only need to observe America's gun culture from outside of it to understand how such indoctrination and thought control works.
So wait a minute......you're saying our government brainwashed us into believing we need guns and is now fighting agaisnt their own brainwashing to take them from us? Or are you trying to say that the American people have brainwashed themselves because the vast majorty agree on our Constitional Right to keep and bear arms? If so, then you are saying that any mass of people that agree on a topic are brainwashed to agree?

I believe your government has brainwashed you to believe that the US has a brainwashed population, it's the typical criminal rhetoric that your country was built on.
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So wait a minute......you're saying our government brainwashed us into believing we need guns and is now fighting agaisnt their own brainwashing to take them from us? Or are you trying to say that the American people have brainwashed themselves because the vast majorty agree on our Constitional Right to keep and bear arms? If so, then you are saying that any mass of people that agree on a topic are brainwashed to agree?

I believe your government has brainwashed you to believe that the US has a brainwashed population, it's the typical criminal rhetoric that your country was built on.

What really boggles my mind is how someone can not think that having arms is important to liberty given the current climate of the world.

Simply take a look at what's going on in the Ukraine and tell me that if all of the citizens had guns, they would not be able to turn back Russia.

The US will not have to worry about that... 300 armed citizens is a very vast army... Even Australia's 22 Million would turn back most military units in the world.

The historical backing for gun ownership is staring us right in the face, but some of us refuse to see it.

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What really boggles my mind is how someone can not think that having arms is important to liberty given the current climate of the world.

Simply take a look at what's going on in the Ukraine and tell me that if all of the citizens had guns, they would not be able to turn back Russia.

The US will not have to worry about that... 300 armed citizens is a very vast army... Even Australia's 22 Million would turn back most military units in the world.

The historical backing for gun ownership is staring us right in the face, but some of us refuse to see it.

That's what happens when your government brainwashes the citizens, they are willing to give up their rights and believe that the government will take care and defend them at all times.
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That's what happens when your government brainwashes the citizens, they are willing to give up their rights and believe that the government will take care and defend them at all times.
That is very true... My friends and I have always said, my blood in my mud.

I have no desire to run around the world protecting anyone, but if someone comes into my yard, trying to take my land... Then they are in for a very very rude awakening.

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Seriously though...they're just guns?  

You shoot pop cans with your .22 as a kid, you take your .410 out a couple of times duck hunting with your dad/uncle/grandpa, and you keep your 12 gauge as an adult.  You might keep a 9mm from when your buddy convinced you to take a CCW with him...but otherwise the only time you think of guns is when someone from work spends too much money on some .50 cal.  

I could kill a lot of people with a lot of various tools and machinery I have.  Honest to god, the only time the use of any of them as a mass-murder-device ever crosses my mind is when some fuckface from another country is frigging his twat about guns on an Internet forum.



When Sweden bans automobiles there's going to be an e-kul on some forum somewhere going rapetit about cars and their mass murder properties....and It'll be just as non sequitur of a message as the gun thing is now
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So wait a minute......you're saying our government brainwashed us into believing we need guns and is now fighting agaisnt their own brainwashing to take them from us? Or are you trying to say that the American people have brainwashed themselves because the vast majorty agree on our Constitional Right to keep and bear arms? If so, then you are saying that any mass of people that agree on a topic are brainwashed to agree?

I believe your government has brainwashed you to believe that the US has a brainwashed population, it's the typical criminal rhetoric that your country was built on.
You are brainwashed to believe you NEED GUNS.  What the fuck are you afraid of?  Are you seriously not prepared to go through life without a gun?  What A SAD PATHETIC EXISTENCE!  This paranoid belief that your government is trying to disarm you is absurd, and even if they wanted to, do you really think they couldn't.  Americans and their gun culture are absolutely NUTS!  Unfortunately they are so deeply entrenched in it, they can't see the forest for the trees.

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Ban train stations.
Ban China.
Ban that noise.

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You are brainwashed to believe you NEED GUNS.  What the fuck are you afraid of?  Are you seriously not prepared to go through life without a gun?  What A SAD PATHETIC EXISTENCE!  This paranoid belief that your government is trying to disarm you is absurd, and even if they wanted to, do you really think they couldn't.  Americans and their gun culture are absolutely NUTS!  Unfortunately they are so deeply entrenched in it, they can't see the forest for the trees.



That is an opinion.

You know what's a fact?

That other countries don't try to invade the US because we have more guns than they do.

That's a fact.

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That is an opinion.

You know what's a fact?

That other countries don't try to invade the US because we have more guns than they do.

That's a fact.
What a load of rubbish.  They don't invade you because of your military might.  The rest of the world understands the fundamentalist attitude of America and it's willingness to use nuclear weapons,  it has zero to do with your guns.  Why do you think America is so worried about Iran getting nuclear weapons, because there is a rogue country that doesn't give a fuck and will drop a NUKE on America or one of it's allies.

 The shit you have to believe just to justify mass gun ownership is ridiculous beyond belief.  
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Travelers love coming to America, a land many of them have seen via exports from Hollywood. They rave about the landscapes, the recreational opportunities, the vibrant cities and the culture.

But like international travelers anywhere, foreigners visiting the United States from other countries can be flummoxed by some of what they encounter. Fortunately, their fellow travelers have plenty of advice. The picture they paint portrays Americans as relentlessly cheerful yet sensitive folks who just might raid your fridge.

What outsiders say about the U.S. will strike an American as very true, very strange, or both. Here (with some help from Google Translate) are some travel advice gems from around the world.

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From Latin America:

It’s probably best not to drink the water. “There are strict laws regarding Hygiene eating places that must be met, so that restaurants and even street stalls are safe. In some areas you can take the tap water. Bottled water is available everywhere and is most recommended.”

From Germany:

Americans’ social boundaries are very inconsistent. “Things like “We should get together sometime” doesn’t really mean anything, unless the same people keep mentioning it to you."

“During a party at your house, don’t be surprised if Americans will just walk up to your fridge and help themselves.”

From Switzerland:

Forget public nudity, intoxication or urination. "The legal system can be very different from one state to another and is often inspired by moral principles stiffer than in Switzerland. For example it is forbidden to bathe topless or without shirt (kids), urinate on public roads or photograph partially unclothed children (even at home). It is forbidden for people under 21 to drink alcohol. Similarly, people who drink alcohol in public or carry alcoholic beverages without concealing from the eyes are guilty of an offense."

From France:

Do take a road trip across the West, but don’t be weird about American Indians or cops. “Do not miss and be certain to visit driving in a country that venerates it, but scrupulously respect the speed limits, the constabulary of the United States not kidding ... Remember that Indian reserves in the western United States are economic and human realities, not museums."

(Photo by Matthew J. Lee/The Boston Globe via Getty Images)
From Italy:

Tipping is fraught with misunderstanding. Q. Is it true that I have to "force" to tip at all? A. It is not mandatory to tip, however, it is strongly recommended, because in many cases it is the only entry of workers. Generally in a restaurant, in the cab, and in many places where there is a service gratuity is 15%. Since the bill that will take you specify the city tax of 8.875%, is sufficient to double that sum, without bothering to do the calculations. In the hotel you leave two dollars per day per person cleaning. Obviously you do not leave tips in places like McDonalds or Starbucks.”

From Australia:

You will probably get sucked into a political discussion. “Americans are REALLY opinionated. And they want to know what you think about the government, about politics, about current issues. A typical conversation might go like this: ‘Hi I’m Matt. Nice to meet you.’ ‘The name’s Bob. Where you from Matt?’ ‘Sydney, Australia.’ ‘Oh I see. You’ve come a long way. So what’s your take on Obamacare?’”

Did we mention the violence of U.S. toilets? “A veritable swimming pool of water greets you when you open the toilet lid and when you flush, it all goes down the drain in a huge rotating whirlpool.”

From the UK:

America might give you fever. “There are occasional outbreaks of mosquito-borne diseases, including West Nile virus, eastern equine encephalitis and dengue fever.”

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Americans are proud of their Old World connections, no matter how tenuous. “When an American announces that they’re part Irish, part Polish and part Moldovan because their great-great-grandparents hailed from these far-off lands, you might find yourself snorting dismissively. Try to hold off until they’re out of earshot.”

From India:

The U.S. doesn’t offer much in terms of shopping. “Based on my experience everyone need to bring almost every basic thing you need on a daily basis.”

From China:

Americans love to follow rules, even when no one is looking. “Americans are such strict rule followers. I witnessed this once sitting on the sidelines of a high school dodge ball game. To me, it was goofy, a little violent, and very American. It struck me that my classmates followed the rules of the game so strictly. Even when no one noticed that a person had been hit and he could have kept playing, he voluntarily gave himself up and left the game. I was deeply impressed by how much people honored the rules even when they are not seen."

From Russia (via Mental Floss):

Gifts are not a big deal. And did you know bribery was illegal? “Gifts: Americans do not expect them. On the contrary, an unexpected gift while conducting business can put an American in an awkward position. Such things for Americans suggest reciprocity.

“Business gifts in the U.S. are not acceptable. Moreover, they often cause suspicion. Americans fear that they could be construed as a bribe, and in the United States that is strictly punishable by law.”

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Socializing with Americans can be tricky. Sports help. “Showing up at a business associate’s home uninvited in the United States is not acceptable. You may be invited to a picnic — if you’ve known each other for several years and are social outside the office.

"As a rule, the invitation will be only on a weekend, and you don’t have to prepare for something extravagant. Everything is the same as ours, only with far less booze. Bring something sporty — ball, badminton, Americans are certainly fervent fans of these things.”

"Phone etiquette in America usually involves the gradual end of the conversation, confirmation agreements and standard closing remarks. By the way, 'see you later' should not be taken literally. That is a courtesy, and no more... Russian conversational patterns often sound harsh to Americans. Statements such as, 'You’re wrong,' can be offensive. This can be interpreted as 'You are telling lies!' Therefore it is better to say, 'I do not think I can agree with this.'"

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Americans really are as cheerful as they seem. “Americans and Russians say different things when faced with the same situation. Seeing the man who had fallen in the street, an American asks, 'Are you all right?' Russians will inquire: 'Are you ill?' We see a victim of the incident; they see survivors. Survivors are perceived as heroes. Where we 'aren’t sick,' they 'stay well.' We discuss the problem. They discuss issues and items on the agenda."

“Americans: they are a nation that truly feels happy. These people get used to smiling from the cradle onwards, so they do not pretend to be cheerful. The desire for a successful happy life is inculcated from childhood.”

The women are a little uptight, and they don't appreciate chivalry. “US etiquette prohibits flirting with a woman who is not your girlfriend or wife. If you are not acquainted with a woman, whether she be in a restaurant, on the street, or on the subway, do not look at her legs, etc. Americans could easily call the police on you, even for just ogling her.”

“Welcome and introductions: men and women tend to shake hands. Mutual kissing and kissing ladies' hands is not accepted. Also, women play a greater role in business. Often they insist to be treated exactly as an equal and not as a lady. In this regard, it is not acceptable to be excessively gallant, and you should avoid personal questions (do not find out whether she is married).”

From Japan (via Mental Floss):

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American food is not subtle. American food is about big, bold taste, and is indifferent to subtleties. Hence "hidden ingredients" are seldom seen.  Sugar, salt, pepper, oils, and routine spices are used for family meals. There is no such thing as purely U.S. cuisine, except the hamburger, which isn’t made at home so much. There is no such thing as purely U.S. cuisine, except for maybe the hamburger, and not many varieties that can be cooked at home. There’s not much emphasis on seasonal foods. Basically, they like sweet tasting foods, as well as foods that are high in fat and calories.

Watch out where you wear hip-hop clothes. “In Japan, hip hop clothes are considered stylish. But in the United States, it is wise to avoid them, as you might be mistaken for a member of a street gang.

Nobody is impressed by how much you can drink.“In the U.S., they do not have a sense of pride if they drink a large amount. Rather, if you drink a lot, there is a sense that you cannot manage yourself, and you can lose respect from those around you. Being drunk doesn't excuse your actions, and to drink alcohol habitually is a sign of alcoholism. Alcoholics are seen as mentally weak, and are ostracized by society due to their inability to have self control."

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They tend to laugh out loud, even the women. It’s how they show they’re honest. “In Japan, when most woman laugh, they place their hand over their lips so it does not show their mouth. It is disgraceful to laugh by loudly opening the mouth. In reality, many adult males do not laugh. There is the saying, ‘A man should not show his teeth so much when laughing.’

“In America, when men or women laugh, they do not turn away. In general, they face front, open the mouth, and laugh in a loud voice. This is because in America if you muffle your laugh or turn away while laughing, you give the impression that you are talking about a secret or name-calling. It comes across as vulgar and insidious. ”

Below: Bostonians react to being declared America's third snobbiest city (after San Francisco and New York).

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Travelers love coming to America, a land many of them have seen via exports from Hollywood. They rave about the landscapes, the recreational opportunities, the vibrant cities and the culture.

But like international travelers anywhere, foreigners visiting the United States from other countries can be flummoxed by some of what they encounter. Fortunately, their fellow travelers have plenty of advice. The picture they paint portrays Americans as relentlessly cheerful yet sensitive folks who just might raid your fridge.

What outsiders say about the U.S. will strike an American as very true, very strange, or both. Here (with some help from Google Translate) are some travel advice gems from around the world.

(Photo by Ian Waldie/Getty Images)
From Latin America:

It’s probably best not to drink the water. “There are strict laws regarding Hygiene eating places that must be met, so that restaurants and even street stalls are safe. In some areas you can take the tap water. Bottled water is available everywhere and is most recommended.”

From Germany:

Americans’ social boundaries are very inconsistent. “Things like “We should get together sometime” doesn’t really mean anything, unless the same people keep mentioning it to you."

“During a party at your house, don’t be surprised if Americans will just walk up to your fridge and help themselves.”

From Switzerland:

Forget public nudity, intoxication or urination. "The legal system can be very different from one state to another and is often inspired by moral principles stiffer than in Switzerland. For example it is forbidden to bathe topless or without shirt (kids), urinate on public roads or photograph partially unclothed children (even at home). It is forbidden for people under 21 to drink alcohol. Similarly, people who drink alcohol in public or carry alcoholic beverages without concealing from the eyes are guilty of an offense."

From France:

Do take a road trip across the West, but don’t be weird about American Indians or cops. “Do not miss and be certain to visit driving in a country that venerates it, but scrupulously respect the speed limits, the constabulary of the United States not kidding ... Remember that Indian reserves in the western United States are economic and human realities, not museums."

(Photo by Matthew J. Lee/The Boston Globe via Getty Images)
From Italy:

Tipping is fraught with misunderstanding. Q. Is it true that I have to "force" to tip at all? A. It is not mandatory to tip, however, it is strongly recommended, because in many cases it is the only entry of workers. Generally in a restaurant, in the cab, and in many places where there is a service gratuity is 15%. Since the bill that will take you specify the city tax of 8.875%, is sufficient to double that sum, without bothering to do the calculations. In the hotel you leave two dollars per day per person cleaning. Obviously you do not leave tips in places like McDonalds or Starbucks.”

From Australia:

You will probably get sucked into a political discussion. “Americans are REALLY opinionated. And they want to know what you think about the government, about politics, about current issues. A typical conversation might go like this: ‘Hi I’m Matt. Nice to meet you.’ ‘The name’s Bob. Where you from Matt?’ ‘Sydney, Australia.’ ‘Oh I see. You’ve come a long way. So what’s your take on Obamacare?’”

Did we mention the violence of U.S. toilets? “A veritable swimming pool of water greets you when you open the toilet lid and when you flush, it all goes down the drain in a huge rotating whirlpool.”

From the UK:

America might give you fever. “There are occasional outbreaks of mosquito-borne diseases, including West Nile virus, eastern equine encephalitis and dengue fever.”

(Photo by Paul Marotta/Getty Images)
Americans are proud of their Old World connections, no matter how tenuous. “When an American announces that they’re part Irish, part Polish and part Moldovan because their great-great-grandparents hailed from these far-off lands, you might find yourself snorting dismissively. Try to hold off until they’re out of earshot.”

From India:

The U.S. doesn’t offer much in terms of shopping. “Based on my experience everyone need to bring almost every basic thing you need on a daily basis.”

From China:

Americans love to follow rules, even when no one is looking. “Americans are such strict rule followers. I witnessed this once sitting on the sidelines of a high school dodge ball game. To me, it was goofy, a little violent, and very American. It struck me that my classmates followed the rules of the game so strictly. Even when no one noticed that a person had been hit and he could have kept playing, he voluntarily gave himself up and left the game. I was deeply impressed by how much people honored the rules even when they are not seen."

From Russia (via Mental Floss):

Gifts are not a big deal. And did you know bribery was illegal? “Gifts: Americans do not expect them. On the contrary, an unexpected gift while conducting business can put an American in an awkward position. Such things for Americans suggest reciprocity.

“Business gifts in the U.S. are not acceptable. Moreover, they often cause suspicion. Americans fear that they could be construed as a bribe, and in the United States that is strictly punishable by law.”

(Photo by Jason Kempin/WireImage)
Socializing with Americans can be tricky. Sports help. “Showing up at a business associate’s home uninvited in the United States is not acceptable. You may be invited to a picnic — if you’ve known each other for several years and are social outside the office.

"As a rule, the invitation will be only on a weekend, and you don’t have to prepare for something extravagant. Everything is the same as ours, only with far less booze. Bring something sporty — ball, badminton, Americans are certainly fervent fans of these things.”

"Phone etiquette in America usually involves the gradual end of the conversation, confirmation agreements and standard closing remarks. By the way, 'see you later' should not be taken literally. That is a courtesy, and no more... Russian conversational patterns often sound harsh to Americans. Statements such as, 'You’re wrong,' can be offensive. This can be interpreted as 'You are telling lies!' Therefore it is better to say, 'I do not think I can agree with this.'"

(Photo by Chris Trotman/Getty Images)
Americans really are as cheerful as they seem. “Americans and Russians say different things when faced with the same situation. Seeing the man who had fallen in the street, an American asks, 'Are you all right?' Russians will inquire: 'Are you ill?' We see a victim of the incident; they see survivors. Survivors are perceived as heroes. Where we 'aren’t sick,' they 'stay well.' We discuss the problem. They discuss issues and items on the agenda."

“Americans: they are a nation that truly feels happy. These people get used to smiling from the cradle onwards, so they do not pretend to be cheerful. The desire for a successful happy life is inculcated from childhood.”

The women are a little uptight, and they don't appreciate chivalry. “US etiquette prohibits flirting with a woman who is not your girlfriend or wife. If you are not acquainted with a woman, whether she be in a restaurant, on the street, or on the subway, do not look at her legs, etc. Americans could easily call the police on you, even for just ogling her.”

“Welcome and introductions: men and women tend to shake hands. Mutual kissing and kissing ladies' hands is not accepted. Also, women play a greater role in business. Often they insist to be treated exactly as an equal and not as a lady. In this regard, it is not acceptable to be excessively gallant, and you should avoid personal questions (do not find out whether she is married).”

From Japan (via Mental Floss):

(Photo by Nikki Kahn/The Washington Post via Getty Images)
American food is not subtle. American food is about big, bold taste, and is indifferent to subtleties. Hence "hidden ingredients" are seldom seen.  Sugar, salt, pepper, oils, and routine spices are used for family meals. There is no such thing as purely U.S. cuisine, except the hamburger, which isn’t made at home so much. There is no such thing as purely U.S. cuisine, except for maybe the hamburger, and not many varieties that can be cooked at home. There’s not much emphasis on seasonal foods. Basically, they like sweet tasting foods, as well as foods that are high in fat and calories.

Watch out where you wear hip-hop clothes. “In Japan, hip hop clothes are considered stylish. But in the United States, it is wise to avoid them, as you might be mistaken for a member of a street gang.

Nobody is impressed by how much you can drink.“In the U.S., they do not have a sense of pride if they drink a large amount. Rather, if you drink a lot, there is a sense that you cannot manage yourself, and you can lose respect from those around you. Being drunk doesn't excuse your actions, and to drink alcohol habitually is a sign of alcoholism. Alcoholics are seen as mentally weak, and are ostracized by society due to their inability to have self control."

(Photo by Michael N. Todaro/Getty Images)
They tend to laugh out loud, even the women. It’s how they show they’re honest. “In Japan, when most woman laugh, they place their hand over their lips so it does not show their mouth. It is disgraceful to laugh by loudly opening the mouth. In reality, many adult males do not laugh. There is the saying, ‘A man should not show his teeth so much when laughing.’

“In America, when men or women laugh, they do not turn away. In general, they face front, open the mouth, and laugh in a loud voice. This is because in America if you muffle your laugh or turn away while laughing, you give the impression that you are talking about a secret or name-calling. It comes across as vulgar and insidious. ”

Below: Bostonians react to being declared America's third snobbiest city (after San Francisco and New York).
Summary: America is a fucked up place devoid of reasonable and rational people.
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Summary: America is a fucked up place devoid of reasonable and rational people.

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Remember that time you had a 5 page meltdown about the "Do you even lift" youtube video?

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What a load of rubbish.  They don't invade you because of your military might.  The rest of the world understands the fundamentalist attitude of America and it's willingness to use nuclear weapons,  it has zero to do with your guns.  Why do you think America is so worried about Iran getting nuclear weapons, because there is a rogue country that doesn't give a fuck and will drop a NUKE on America or one of it's allies.

 The shit you have to believe just to justify mass gun ownership is ridiculous beyond belief. 

What you're really saying is that you're afraid.

Your entire argument is a projection of the fear YOU have.

It's ok to admit you are scared... We certainly can't think any less of you.


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What you're really saying is that you're afraid.

Your entire argument is a projection of the fear YOU have.

It's ok to admit you are scared... We certainly can't think any less of you.


Oh OK.  If I get really scared I will seek to obtain a gun.  But seriously, you have to laugh at a bunch of scared people so afraid they fear living without a gun remaining unconscious of their fears and projecting them onto everyone else.
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Oh OK.  If I get really scared I will seek to obtain a gun.  But seriously, you have to laugh at a bunch of scared people so afraid they fear living without a gun remaining unconscious of their fears and projecting them onto everyone else.


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Remember that time you had a 5 page meltdown about the "Do you even lift" youtube video?

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lol, you mean you melted down because I thought your comedic hero was an insecure moron.
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Ban chinese people!

Long overdue  :D
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