Where are the anti-gun nuts now? 28 killed at a Train station. 113 wounded.

[manuelsonn]

ok, let me ask u this? how many people will be saved with car banning and how much with gun banning?
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,687
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.9
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 31,672
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3

If we ban guns and cars we save 64000 . If we ban cars we save 33000,if we ban guns we only saving 31000- what should we do?

[Simple Simon]

Odd looking hallway!

You would get way more in a nursery playground.

Oh and gun companies have never made a penny out of me, I dont own a gun.

"They" make far more money on IPhones than they do on selling guns, again, whats your fucking point?

[Radical Plato]

ok, let me ask u this? how many people will be saved with car banning and how much with gun banning?
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,687
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.9
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 31,672
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3

If we ban guns and cars we save 64000 . If we ban cars we save 33000,if we ban guns we only saving 31000- what should we do?

We can't eliminate all ACCIDENTS, but crazed gunmen going on shooting sprees aren't accidents, they are the result of a society that has enabled such incidents to occur via poor legislation.  Not only that, lets play this game, banning cars, trucks, let's say all forms of transport will have unintended consequences.  The system will effectively break down, medicines and vaccines won't get made and delivered, nor will food be produced and distributed, it could possibly wipe out a large chunk of the population, hundreds of millions of people.  Worse case scenario, you ban guns and the homicide rate stays consistent with what it was in the past, gunmen still shoot up schools etc etc, ie: more of what you already have, then other possibilities and ideas need to be tried. 

Cars serve a multipurpose, society weighs up the good vs bad ration, and cars provide more good than bad, I would argue that guns cause more bad than good, especially when you consider children being murdered in the hallways of their schools.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Some 2/3 of those 'gun deaths' are suicides, and most of the rest is gang bangers shooting other gang bangers. Gun crime amongst the general population, and amongst the vast majority of american gun owners, is extremely low.

And while tragic events such as sandy hook are promoted relentlessly by the media, are extremely rare, and the risk of such an even happening to you is vanishingly remote. America is a big country, roughly 12 times the population of australia.

[manuelsonn]

Odd looking hallway!  You obviously failed to read my post, cars can kill, but they are cumbersome and limited.  They are useless in a building and simply can't access many places.  A gunmen with a gun is far more versatile.  You morons can remain in denial all you like between the killing efficiency of particular items, it's simply absurdity.  Your ridiculous logic shatters your own arguments, if knives and guns are all you need, why do you need a gun then.  Just use your car or knife to defend yourself in case of a threat.

yes , the cars arent good at killing people in building, but they compensate on higways, look : the cars kill 33000 people /year and guns only 30000- can u imagine the damage if the cars could go into buildings??

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh, another butt hurt getbigger.  Vikings weren't exposed to such mutants, they also carried lethal weaponry.   I am not the one crying about it, but many a getbigger does.  Please feel free to post a video of you taking on two strange pitbulls as a demonstration of your masculinity. If it is such an easy feat, I am sure you will have no issue with demonstrating your pitbull fighting defensive techniques, they should prove interesting.  Many others haven't survived a serious pitbull attack, I was able too.    The irony is, the average getbigger gun nutter has never even faced a dangerous fearful situation, yet they live in perpetual fear and cling to guns as their only way to relieve it.

I would have fared much better than you  both would have been dead from you guessed it a gun 

You're a baby all you do is cry about other people and what they do.  worry about yourself

[JOHN MATRIX]

Alcohol fuels a vast amount of the crime that takes place in society, from fighting, assaults, rapes, murder, drunk driving accidents etc...
do you want to ban alcohol? Why is nobody ranting against the 'booze industry'? Why no protests at the Budweiser factory? Why no media/government condemation of Jack Daniels??

[Simple Simon]

I would argue that guns cause more bad than good, especially when you consider children being murdered in the hallways of their schools.

Why do you constantly keep labouring over and repeating this emotive point.

You sound like the people who want to ban all pornography because children "might see it"


By the way, do you know how many gun deaths are actually suicides as opposed to homicides?
The answer may surprise you.

[galeniko]

You would get way more in a nursery playground.

Oh and gun companies have never made a penny out of me, I dont own a gun.

"They" make far more money on IPhones than they do on selling guns, again, whats your fucking point?

or coffee.yeah coffee is highly traded good.

let the ppl have their guns if they want one.

americans are often pussies and they need one to feel like a man, all good, they use the pretext "its to fight a tyrannical government" hahha,yeah right, welcome to the 21th century folks.

but yeah let the ppl have their guns who cares.

me i have a huge penis instead

[manuelsonn]

We can't eliminate all ACCIDENTS, but crazed gunmen going on shooting sprees aren't accidents, they are the result of a society that has enabled such incidents to occur via poor legislation.  Not only that, lets play this game, banning cars, trucks, let's say all forms of transport will have unintended consequences.  The system will effectively break down, medicines and vaccines won't get made and delivered, nor will food be produced and distributed, it could possibly wipe out a large chunk of the population, hundreds of millions of people.  Worse case scenario, you ban guns and the homicide rate stays consistent with what it was in the past, gunmen still shoot up schools etc etc, ie: more of what you already have, then other possibilities and ideas need to be tried. 

Cars serve a multipurpose, society weighs up the good vs bad ration, and cars provide more good than bad, I would argue that guns cause more bad than good, especially when you consider children being murdered in the hallways of their schools.

off course we can to eliminate all cars accident if we ban the cars , u dumb? Aha, u say that we  should not ban cars because millions will die? its strange i thought that werent cars in 1700-1800 and nobody complained, it s more important to have confort than to save lives?

[Radical Plato]

You would get way more in a nursery playground.

Oh and gun companies have never made a penny out of me, I dont own a gun.

"They" make far more money on IPhones than they do on selling guns, again, whats your fucking point?

No you wouldn't.  By the time it was established there was someone driving a car with malicious intent, cover could soon be taken, cars are cumbersome and inefficient in confined spaces and with obstacles in their way.  A gunmen could go on indefinitely if he had enough ammo and nobody to stop him.

And I wasn't making a point, I was answering your question on who profits from guns and why. 

And I thought the gun nutters and their rants and ravings where crazy, at least they have a vested interest to protect and their bias is understandable.  You don't find it odd that you argue the absolute necessity for a citizen to own a gun yet choose not to own one.

[galeniko]

Why do you constantly keep labouring over and repeating this emotive point.

You sound like the people who want to ban all pornography because children "might see it"


By the way, do you know how many gun deaths are actually suicides as opposed to homicides?
The answer may surprise you.

in america, 50% of the police shootings are said to be dliberate suicide by cops.

was very suprise to read that.

also, here the gun is seconmd suicide option only second to jmping infront of a train.

also guns are a good tool to win aruments like the guy pistolius name in south africa,he shut that bitch right up on the spot

[Radical Plato]

off course we can to eliminate all cars accident if we ban the cars , u dumb? Aha, u say that we  should not ban cars because millions will die? its strange i thought that werent cars in 1700-1800 and nobody complained, it s more important to have confort than to save lives?

This really becomes an exercise in absurdity.  You can't seriously compare the 1700 and 1800's to today.  Modern society has structured itself around modern transport, modern society is RELIANT on it in a way they weren't back then.  Unlike then, we are DEPENDANT on certain things, like transport systems, electricity grids, mains water etc etc Changes to any of those necessities would have dire consequences for many people.  This is one of the issues, capitalism has done away with self reliance and independence, there is no money in it.  But seriously, the getbigger gun nutters is like relating to kindergarten kids with their ridiculous questions and observations.

[Simple Simon]

No you wouldn't.  By the time it was established there was someone driving a car with malicious intent, cover could soon be taken, cars are cumbersome and inefficient in confined spaces and with obstacles in their way.  A gunmen could go on indefinitely if he had enough ammo and nobody to stop him.

And I wasn't making a point, I was answering your question on who profits from guns and why. 

And I thought the gun nutters and their rants and ravings where crazy, at least they have a vested interest to protect and their bias is understandable.  You don't find it odd that you argue the absolute necessity for a citizen to own a gun yet choose not to own one.

That would be your fault, its you thats banned guns.
I couldn't give a fuck if people have guns or not, whatever gave you the impression I am pro gun?

Jeez do you read anything anyone writes?

[Simple Simon]

This really becomes an exercise in absurdity.  You can't seriously compare the 1700 and 1800's to today.  Modern society has structured itself around modern transport, modern society is RELIANT on it in a way they weren't back then.  Unlike then, we are DEPENDANT on certain things, like transport systems, electricity grids, mains water Guns to protect ourselves against violent criminals like we had back in the 1700s and 1800s etc etc Changes to any of those necessities would have dire consequences for many people.  This is one of the issues, capitalism has done away with self reliance and independence, there is no money in it.  But seriously, the getbigger gun nutters is like teaching kindergarten kids with their ridiculous questions and observations.

[Radical Plato]

That would be your fault, its you thats banned guns.
I couldn't give a fuck if people have guns or not, whatever gave you the impression I am pro gun?

Jeez do you read anything anyone writes?

Banned YOU from having guns, not police forces.

And the fact you have argued for the past 4 hours against banning guns gives the impression you are pro gun.

[Simple Simon]

Banned YOU from having guns, not police forces.

And the fact you have argued for the past 4 hours against banning guns gives the impression you are pro gun.

Im advocating freedom of choice, something you seem to be totally unfamiliar with.

and as for the bolded section,
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sa=N&hl=en&tab=lw&gws_rd=cr&ei=yj0WU7nwKJO2hAeLwoG4Ag#hl=en&q=cop+shoots+innocent+man

[JOHN MATRIX]

This is where I live, Victoria Australia.

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?document_id=26793


You can be searched for knives in a public place anywhere, anytime, with and without notice.

If you are 16 and over and get caught carrying a controlled weapon such as a knife, you face an on the spot fine of $1,000, or you may have to go to court and face a fine of over $14,000 or one year imprisonment.

This penalty is doubled if you are inside or within 20 metres of a pub, club or bar.

If you are under 18 you will no longer able to buy any type of knife, including kitchen knives or knives for school or work. To do so is against the law and you will face a $239 on the spot fine, or you could face court and a fine of over $1,400.

Anyone who knowingly sells a knife or other controlled weapon to a minor faces a fine of over $2,300.

Jeez i sure wouldnt want to live in a nanny-state like that...and you say americans are paranoid??

[galeniko]

Banned YOU from having guns, not police forces.

And the fact you have argued for the past 4 hours against banning guns gives the impression you are pro gun.

hes int he uk, i hope you realize the uk public stance on guns is something like, well, they laugh about it.

you know the penalties for onwing a gun in the uk?

and for aevery bullet, you know wha tyou get for every bullet?haha

all he says doesnt mean neither pro nor anti guns btw.hes being neutral.

[Simple Simon]

hes int he uk, i hope you realize the uk public stance on guns is something like, well, they laugh about it.

you know the penalties for onwing a gun in the uk?

and for aevery bullet, you know wha tyou get for every bullet?haha

all he says doesnt mean neither pro nor anti guns btw.hes being neutral.

Exactly, if people want to own a gun then who am I to tell them they cant?

[manuelsonn]

This really becomes an exercise in absurdity.  You can't seriously compare the 1700 and 1800's to today.  Modern society has structured itself around modern transport, modern society is RELIANT on it in a way they weren't back then.  Unlike then, we are DEPENDANT on certain things, like transport systems, electricity grids, mains water etc etc Changes to any of those necessities would have dire consequences for many people.  This is one of the issues, capitalism has done away with self reliance and independence, there is no money in it.  But seriously, the getbigger gun nutters is like relating to kindergarten kids with their ridiculous questions and observations.

u stupid cnut; 1. if u want to ban all guns - i say ban also all cars, there are methods of railway to compensate; if u wnt to ban guns only for civilians i say also ban cars for civilians - only profesional drivers for public transportation and merchandise will rest; either way the victims from iresponsable gun owners will be less than numbers of victims from iresponsable drivers, now fuck off

[Radical Plato]

Jeez i sure wouldnt want to live in a nanny-state like that...and you say americans are paranoid??

I guess you are right, I suppose it would be better to live in a country that experiences regular mass shootings, crazed gunmen killing children under ten and gunning citizens down in movie theatres. terrorists are flying planes into skyscrapers and detonating bombs during fun runs.  For a minute there I don't know what come over me, who wouldn't want to live in such a society.

[Simple Simon]

I guess you are right, I suppose it would be better to live in a country that experiences regular mass shootings, crazed gunmen killing children under ten and gunning citizens down in movie theatres. terrorists are flying planes into skyscrapers and detonating bombs during fun runs.  For a minute there I don't know what come over me, who wouldn't want to live in such a society.

Ekul world

[Teutonic Knight]

A lot of the crooks aren't armed either, only a tiny percentage of burglaries and crimes are committed using a gun.  The bikies are probably the biggest holder of illegal firearms, just ask Teutonic Knight.

  I collect old metal objects & have mini museum,  
Why don't U approach Rebels MC Melbourne (or any other MC club) & ask them about illegal gun ownership  

[Radical Plato]

u stupid cnut; 1. if u want to ban all guns - i say ban also all cars, there are methods of railway to compensate; if u wnt to ban guns only for civilians i say also ban cars for civilians - only profesional drivers for public transportation and merchandise will rest; either way the victims from iresponsable gun owners will be less than numbers of victims from iresponsable drivers, now fuck off

You can always expect a logical and rational argument from a gun nutter.