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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2014, 06:00:24 PM »
WTF i don't really care about cars but those are all insane numbers
yeah its crazy,the acceleration pull is insane.

awd makes sure no traction isues, it feels faster than 600cc bike no doubt.

i porsche really tried yeah even the 2008 woukd run high 11

on the street, street tires, its the ruler of all.

maybe nissan gtr comes close but not as good launch control.

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« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2014, 06:13:54 PM »
yeah its crazy,the acceleration pull is insane.

awd makes sure no traction isues, it feels faster than 600cc bike no doubt.

i porsche really tried yeah even the 2008 woukd run high 11

on the street, street tires, its the ruler of all.

maybe nissan gtr comes close but not as good launch control.



I remember being a little upset when they stopped making their cars air-cooled, but this definitely makes up for it  8)

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« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2014, 06:26:28 PM »
yeah its crazy,the acceleration pull is insane.

awd makes sure no traction isues, it feels faster than 600cc bike no doubt.

i porsche really tried yeah even the 2008 woukd run high 11

on the street, street tires, its the ruler of all.

maybe nissan gtr comes close but not as good launch control.



AWD is great for drag racing, but comparing, say the 2015 Z06 from 60-150 versus a Porsche Turbo I'd be very surprised if the Porsche pulls on it.  It might in a 1/4 mile - and even that would be very debatable since the new Z06 now has the A8 option which takes care of torque management issues that the C6 ZR1 had (and despite those issues it was still an 11.1 second car on stock tires in the 1/4 mile), the new Z06 auto will definitely be in the 10's with stock tires.

Similarly, the heavy GTR can not compete with a ZR1 or C7 Z06 off of a roll, even slower 60-150 than the C6 Z06 that has a 40 horsepower deficit compared to the GTR (as per Car and Driver's test)

An example is how many of the mags show comparable 0-60 and 1/4 mile times between the Porsche 911S and the C7 Stingray, yet a video on youtube by a European mag which shows both cars punching it off of a roll (I believe about 50 mph but I'd have to double check) showed the Stingray was much faster than the Porsche.

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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2014, 06:33:34 PM »
AWD is great for drag racing, but comparing, say the 2015 Z06 from 60-150 versus a Porsche Turbo I'd be very surprised if the Porsche pulls on it.  It might in a 1/4 mile - and even that would be very debatable since the new Z06 now has the A8 option which takes care of torque management issues that the C6 ZR1 had (and despite those issues it was still an 11.1 second car on stock tires in the 1/4 mile), the new Z06 auto will definitely be in the 10's with stock tires.

Similarly, the heavy GTR can not compete with a ZR1 or C7 Z06 off of a roll, even slower 60-150 than the C6 Z06 that has a 40 horsepower deficit compared to the GTR (as per Car and Driver's test)

An example is how many of the mags show comparable 0-60 and 1/4 mile times between the Porsche 911S and the C7 Stingray, yet a video on youtube by a European mag which shows both cars punching it off of a roll (I believe about 50 mph but I'd have to double check) showed the Stingray was much faster than the Porsche.

Ok, we get it, you own a corvette  ::)

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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2014, 06:55:12 PM »
Ok, we get it, you own a corvette  ::)

I can't say I was expecting an intelligent reply from you based on your earlier post below here:

WTF i don't really care about cars but those are all insane numbers

 You proved my expectations correct lol.

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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2014, 07:01:49 PM »
haha bigboob stop it 10sec qm on streettires

of a roll eh that happens so often off a 60mph roll.and i wouldfnt be suprised if the porsche wins that anyway.

we dont have the expected times, expected times are useless.

but lets use the c6 z06, the new one wont run that much better.

btw just checking the new c7, the one you have loses 0-120mph vs the regular carrera lol.

it gets blown away even from a roll., keep that in mind.

the prosche runs 10.4 o-124mph.

the zr1(!!) runs 10.3 0-124mph.

so there i dont think the new z06 will outrun the the old zr1, therefore, wont outrun a bone stock porsche either.

another time for the zr1 i found is 11.4 ouch ,must be those street tires you talking about,the ones which the new vette will run 10second et ;D

here i found, c6z06 runs it in 11.9.

you do the math.

i suggest strongly you stop daydreaming.

no matter, you can decuct the 0-60times and the turbo still blows the vette away.

reasons, awd, perfect gearbox, usa cars can only fream of that technology, lets be honest.

and the nissan gtr,i hate the car, but you aware it doesnt lose pull uptop, it turns rwd at higher speeds.





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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2014, 07:02:11 PM »
I remember being a little upset when they stopped making their cars air-cooled, but this definitely makes up for it  8)
The Porsche 911 is probably the only car that you can own of any vintage, and you could say "that guy knows his shit." Whether it be a 67 911 Classic or a 930 Turbo, or the 964 or 993s, any and almost all vintages have that cool enthusiast factor.
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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2014, 07:10:49 PM »
AWD is great for drag racing, but comparing, say the 2015 Z06 from 60-150 versus a Porsche Turbo I'd be very surprised if the Porsche pulls on it.  It might in a 1/4 mile - and even that would be very debatable since the new Z06 now has the A8 option which takes care of torque management issues that the C6 ZR1 had (and despite those issues it was still an 11.1 second car on stock tires in the 1/4 mile), the new Z06 auto will definitely be in the 10's with stock tires.

Similarly, the heavy GTR can not compete with a ZR1 or C7 Z06 off of a roll, even slower 60-150 than the C6 Z06 that has a 40 horsepower deficit compared to the GTR (as per Car and Driver's test)

An example is how many of the mags show comparable 0-60 and 1/4 mile times between the Porsche 911S and the C7 Stingray, yet a video on youtube by a European mag which shows both cars punching it off of a roll (I believe about 50 mph but I'd have to double check) showed the Stingray was much faster than the Porsche.
gotta requote this bc its so funny ;D

"id be suprised"well,there you go :D

a8 option?torque management?are you seriouse?

are you aware, that the torque management will affect 0-60times for the worse?

all those never again reproduceable times on pre heated worn down "stock" tires the usa mags do are done with TM turned off.
they use every trick in the book and a freaking professional racer to get those times.
regular guy would run mid 12 in old z06.

torque management, lol, please, the turbo, with computer launch, off the line, spins all 4 tires quickly,even in summer heat,seen it myself, and then boom, its gone like off a catapult.

well you look at trap speed and you know whih one is gonna pull away at higher speeds,easy as.

but until 120mph youre looking at the porsches rear pipes.

if you can see them after the usual launch fiasco.

in the real world, any moron can launch an awd like a pro, while rwd an amateur will be blown away by such turds like evo 7 with a computer managment upgrade,i seen it too many times.

corevtte is good for the money,but lets keep it realistic
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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2014, 07:12:48 PM »
I'll take a classic pre owned 1960's Aston Martin and a classic "pre owned", high mileage 1960's blond.


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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2014, 08:01:47 PM »
wheres bobboob? heating up stock tires? ;D
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« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2014, 08:09:21 PM »
I guess the one I pulled a few years back must of been from the early 2000's.

There might of even been a chance that the porshe owner just rebadged a 911 n/a or something.

I will say, the fastest car I have ever been in was a twin turbo LSX gto that ran a 10 flat. The guy owned a shop and did the build himself.

It was unreal, the difference between a 450 hp high 12 second car a 650 hp low ten second car is night and day. Its what I would imagine being inside of a fighter jet taking off.

It makes your eyes fucking suck in.

Its a joke to build something like that though, I think it cost him around 25 grand to build. Not including the price of the car, and it wasnt worth fuck all in comparison to the money it took to build.


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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2014, 08:13:45 PM »
I can't say I was expecting an intelligent reply from you based on your earlier post below here:

 You proved my expectations correct lol.

I'm surprised you expected a response at all.  

It's pretty obvious youre trying to shoehorn your shiny new car into a thread about luxury cars, but Vettes are a dime-a-dozen.  Who cares, let us know when you get something impressive

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« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2014, 08:26:24 PM »
I guess the one I pulled a few years back must of been from the early 2000's.

There might of even been a chance that the porshe owner just rebadged a 911 n/a or something.

I will say, the fastest car I have ever been in was a twin turbo LSX gto that ran a 10 flat. The guy owned a shop and did the build himself.

It was unreal, the difference between a 450 hp high 12 second car a 650 hp low ten second car is night and day. Its what I would imagine being inside of a fighter jet taking off.

It makes your eyes fucking suck in.

Its a joke to build something like that though, I think it cost him around 25 grand to build. Not including the price of the car, and it wasnt worth fuck all in comparison to the money it took to build.


yah, can just buy any 1000cc sportbike of this millenium and run high 9s at 140mph+

this feels like a rocket launch, a bike gets 1g in straight acceleration all the way till 120mph,its insane, its unbelieveable until you been on one lol.

itd be more than 1g traight line acceleration, but the front wheel lifts off at 1g.or rear tire slips, but on bikes the front will lift typicaly.

1g acceleration is feeling of freefall, put that into the mind,its literaly undesctibable.like freefall forward.

a typical m3 vs such a bike ,lol, its not even remotely fair.

to get an idea how bad it is, heres modified zr1,700 hp.

vs bike, its modified only by 10hp



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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2014, 08:30:02 PM »
I'm surprised you expected a response at all.  

It's pretty obvious youre trying to shoehorn your shiny new car into a thread about luxury cars, but Vettes are a dime-a-dozen.  Who cares, let us know when you get something impressive
yah ppl here say, when they see someone bought a vette, they say" ah i see, the money wasnt enough to aford a porsche" ;D

btw, in the video above , at 4m20s, until there the bike plays around with the car and then boom.

the translation from there on is "no chance in hell,no chance at all"

cars are endless moneypits, would never get one for the speed,any random bike will smoke you so bad its not even funny.

to me, this puts doing bolt on mods to cars in a rather laughable perspective.

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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2014, 08:34:05 PM »

haha bigboob stop it 10sec qm on streettires

of a roll eh that happens so often off a 60mph roll.and i wouldfnt be suprised if the porsche wins that anyway.

we dont have the expected times, expected times are useless.

but lets use the c6 z06, the new one wont run that much better.

btw just checking the new c7, the one you have loses 0-120mph vs the regular carrera lol.

it gets blown away even from a roll., keep that in mind.

the prosche runs 10.4 o-124mph.

the zr1(!!) runs 10.3 0-124mph.

so there i dont think the new z06 will outrun the the old zr1, therefore, wont outrun a bone stock porsche either.

another time for the zr1 i found is 11.4 ouch ,must be those street tires you talking about,the ones which the new vette will run 10second et Grin

here i found, c6z06 runs it in 11.9.

you do the math.

i suggest strongly you stop daydreaming.

no matter, you can decuct the 0-60times and the turbo still blows the vette away.

reasons, awd, perfect gearbox, usa cars can only fream of that technology, lets be honest.

and the nissan gtr,i hate the car, but you aware it doesnt lose pull uptop, it turns rwd at higher speeds

gotta requote this bc its so funny ;D

"id be suprised"well,there you go :D

a8 option?torque management?are you seriouse?

are you aware, that the torque management will affect 0-60times for the worse?

all those never again reproduceable times on pre heated worn down "stock" tires the usa mags do are done with TM turned off.
they use every trick in the book and a freaking professional racer to get those times.
regular guy would run mid 12 in old z06.

torque management, lol, please, the turbo, with computer launch, off the line, spins all 4 tires quickly,even in summer heat,seen it myself, and then boom, its gone like off a catapult.

well you look at trap speed and you know whih one is gonna pull away at higher speeds,easy as.

but until 120mph youre looking at the porsches rear pipes.

if you can see them after the usual launch fiasco.

in the real world, any moron can launch an awd like a pro, while rwd an amateur will be blown away by such turds like evo 7 with a computer managment upgrade,i seen it too many times.

corevtte is good for the money,but lets keep it realistic


Oh brother, not sure where to start here, as there's quite a bit incorrect with your posts, so to address it all I'll give a bit of analysis of each of the Corvettes you mentioned:

C6 Z06 - this ran from 2006 to 2013, started off as the high-performance Corvette and ended as the middle-tier Corvette.  It's ONLY offered in a manual, and has 505 horsepower.  Whenever a car is a manual-only, the acceleration times you read won't be as consistent, since it really depends on a driver.  I don't know how to drive a manual so I'd probably get a 15-16 second quarter mile in a C6 Z06 lol, doesn't mean anything when considering what the car is actually capable of.  Here's a Car and Driver comparison with the C6 Z06 and the Nissan GTR, check out this pdf:  
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2012-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2013-nissan-gt-r-vs-2012-porsche-911-carrera-s-comparison-test-car-and-driver2012-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2013-nissan-gt-r-vs-2012-porsche-911-carrera-s-febuary2012.pdf

The GTR wins in 0-60, 1/4 mile time but loses in 1/4 trap speed (trap speed = a better indicator anyway), also loses 0-150.  Now if you take the 0-150 time and subtract the 0-60 times from it, you get a 60-150 time in the Z06 of 13.5 seconds versus 14.8 seconds for the same in the GTR.  So it really depends what your definition of speed is, if you're a stoplight racer and that's what you value, then yeah GTR is the faster car, but if you're looking at the overall picture its not that simple.  Keep in mind this is "just" the 505 hp C6 Z06 in the comparison too.

C6 ZR1 - This was the fastest Corvette from 2009 to 2013.  Again, only offered in manual, which is why there's a huge range in 1/4 mile times depending on who drove it, unlike auto-only cars like the GTR, Porsche Turbo, etc.  Here's an interesting comparison with the Porsche GT2:  


It also shows that despite having a faster off-the line-acceleration the Porsche isn't necessarily the faster car between the two.  Re: 1/4 mile times, there are drivers who have posted their timeslips of sub-11 second times with their C6 ZR1 on stock tires, but the fastest magazine test I've seen was an 11.1.

C7 Stingray - This is the 2014 base model.  It's offered in auto and manual, although most magazines test the manual - so again you have the huge variance in acceleration stats.  Some are even well above 4 seconds 0-60 and well over 12 second 1/4 mile.  Then in contrast Motor Trend got 3.7 second 0-60 and 12.0 1/4 mile (also with a manual):
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1312_chevrolet_corvette_stingray_z51_ferrari_f12_berlinetta_porsche_911_carrera_4s/

Motor Trend is not US-car biased, they even gave Porsche the win despite it having the slowest acceleration and slowest track time in the comparison, so you can't claim they tested the acceleration of the Corvette under more favourable conditions than the Porsche.  In that test it even shows that the track time of the base C7 is just a hair behind the Ferrari F12!  Anyway, here's an example of a test with an auto, where they got consistent 11.7's in the C7 (and its a non-Z51 model which is a tad slower than the Z51-equipped Stingray):
http://www.vetteweb.com/hotnews/1311_vette_puts_the_new_c7_through_paces/

Also in this video you'll see the rolling race between the C7 versus the Porsche 911S and its not even close!  Note it's not a roll from a high speed but only from 30 mph, which is very typical of the street race encounter, and more typical than the red light to red light scenerio (scroll to 3:20 if you dont want to watch the rest of it):  


Drivers with Z51 auto Stingrays have posted 1/4 mile times of consistent 11.5 and 11.6's, even though most manuals are 12 seconds or greater - shows the difference in off the line acceleration between the manual and auto C7's.

C7 Z06 - GM stated this will be the fastest production Corvette ever, and said there are no plans to have a ZR1 model, i.e. it looks like this will be the top tier C7 similar to what the ZR1 was for the C6.  That said, obviously GM would not make a slower high-po Corvette in 2015 than its predecessor 2009 version lol.  They haven't given the exact hp figure but said it would be "at least 625 hp" - my guess is it'll be 640, as they always come out a bit higher.  The game-changer though is that this time it'll be offered with an A8 for the first time.  Note how I showed that the base C7 has a solid 0.3 to 0.5 second improvement in 1/4 mile when equipped with an auto versus a manual, now you can imagine putting an auto in a 640 hp Corvette which was already getting very low 11's in the 1/4 mile in a comparable manual version (the C6 ZR1 version).

Time will tell for sure, but based on what we know it's hard to argue that the C7 Z06 auto will NOT be a 10 second car, and that's with it being RWD and having the traction disadvantage.  Compare it off of a roll to something like a GTR and they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.  The C6 Z06, with its 120+ hp deficit over the C7 Z06 was still quicker in a roll than the GTR in the link I pasted above, now add 120+ hp to it and its lights out for the GTR.

I'm happy that my C6 is a Z51 with an auto.  It's faster than a Porsche 911S but I know its slower than a 911 Turbo.  That was an apples to oranges comparison you made.  Compare high-po to high-po or base to base - but to be fair I'm still comparing base C7 versus one step above base 911 (the 911S - also over double the price!)

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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2014, 08:35:54 PM »
For the price of a used Aston Martin or used 911 you can buy a new C7 with full warranty, new-car smell, the exact options and colours you want, etc.

huh?

I just looked at an 03 Carerra 4S with less than 35k miles for $31k and looking at the same 01 911 Turbo with 32k miles (520hp techart model) for $42k... both tiptronic, except the C4S didn't have navi.... Carerra 4S just fucking sings when you open it up. I quit racing in '00 and don't remember our motors sounding that nice. lol. CrS was black on black... not my fav, but the turbo is white on red with black wheels... fucking sexy as hell.

I do like the new vettes though, one of my clients just picked up a gunmetal/grey '14 (her 16th corvette in total... husband buys them for her every couple years), but side by side i'll take the Porsche.

also drove a Cayenne (is that spelled right?) GTS today as well.. gotta say if it didn't get 9mpg I'd deff choose it over an escalade.

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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #91 on: March 06, 2014, 08:37:22 PM »
yah ppl here say, when they see someone bought a vette, they say" ah i see, the money wasnt enough to aford a porsche" ;D

btw, in the video above , at 4m20s, until there the bike plays around with the car and then boom.

the translation from there on is "no chance in hell,no chance at all"

cars are endless moneypits, would never get one for the speed,any random bike will smoke you so bad its not even funny.

to me, this puts doing bolt on mods to cars in a rather laughable perspective.



Bingo.  If you want performance, get a Hayabusa for like $14000 and that'll smoke anything on the road.  But what's the point anyways, you can't drive fast in America..... no autobahn :(

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« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2014, 08:39:55 PM »
Bingo.  If you want performance, get a Hayabusa for like $14000 and that'll smoke anything on the road.  But what's the point anyways, you can't drive fast in America..... no autobahn :(

With a good radar detector you can drive across the country averaging 100 MPH.  8)

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« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2014, 08:40:43 PM »
huh?

I just looked at an 03 Carerra 4S with less than 35k miles for $31k and looking at the same 01 911 Turbo with 32k miles (520hp techart model) for $42k... both tiptronic, except the C4S didn't have navi.... Carerra 4S just fucking sings when you open it up. I quit racing in '00 and don't remember our motors sounding that nice. lol. CrS was black on black... not my fav, but the turbo is white on red with black wheels... fucking sexy as hell.

I do like the new vettes though, one of my clients just picked up a gunmetal/grey '14 (her 16th corvette in total... husband buys them for her every couple years), but side by side i'll take the Porsche.

also drove a Cayenne (is that spelled right?) GTS today as well.. gotta say if it didn't get 9mpg I'd deff choose it over an escalade.

I respect the Porsche, GTR, etc.  My post above wasn't meant to bash, was just responding to the silly post about how Corvette's suck in comparison especially since facts are inconsistent with that assumption.

What kind of work do you do?  You mentioned "your clients" a few times?

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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2014, 08:41:43 PM »
USED Aston Martins? This is getbig, everyones getting one of these for just over 4 million bucks



I would totally be the dude putting a car seat in there.

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« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2014, 08:42:53 PM »
I'm surprised you expected a response at all.  

It's pretty obvious youre trying to shoehorn your shiny new car into a thread about luxury cars, but Vettes are a dime-a-dozen.  Who cares, let us know when you get something impressive

Actually I always posted pro-Corvette and pro-American cars in general on getbig even well before I got my Corvette.  Don't flatter yourself by assuming that I care to try to impress you.  If was the type that was trying to shoehorn I'd be asking what you drive as well as the others who are posting negatively to compare.

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« Reply #96 on: March 06, 2014, 08:44:00 PM »
Bingo.  If you want performance, get a Hayabusa for like $14000 and that'll smoke anything on the road.  But what's the point anyways, you can't drive fast in America..... no autobahn :(

Totally irrelevent comparison.  I have no interest in driving a bike for example.  What's next, saying "why buy a bike or sports car when you get a used airplane that'll destroy them both"  ::)

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« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2014, 08:44:33 PM »
What's next, saying "why buy a bike or sports car when you get a used airplane that'll destroy them both"  ::)

ROFL... True

to me, flying an airplane... this puts doing bolt on mods to cars in a rather laughable perspective.

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« Reply #98 on: March 06, 2014, 08:50:16 PM »
bigboob dont be such a girl,i am very aware of the years procuced etc.

i said the old c6 z06 will be something like the new stingray.

fact on the matter, the porsche turbo blows away in quartermile,and on street,and even 60-120 the following.

your base c7

the old c6zo6

and hangs with the old zr1.

hope this helps.

spare me the street tires blabla, manual vs auto.

the porsche you sit in, launch control and boom, the corevette eats dust.it is what it is.


you go and take and compare the very best vette out there vs the not best and fastwst porsche.compare it to the 918 or whatver the one is with 900hp.

nobody gives a fuck about the nissan, and i said yeah trap speed and youll know which one pulls away at speeds you will never go anyway.

either way, dont care about cars nomore much.

precisely bc of this, bugatti veyron it doesnt get any better, gets owned by the same bmw bike



here one might arguie too, the bugatti will pull the bike at 180mph, sure bc areodynamic and bc bikes are limited to 186mph, but this is embabrassing.can get a used bike like this for less than 10k usd, id feel like a sucker wasting a million on this bugati looking like a modded audi tt, and then get the doors blown off by some schmoe on 10k vehicle,wich is perfectly solid daily driver no maintenance besides oilchanges.

Bingo.  If you want performance, get a Hayabusa for like $14000 and that'll smoke anything on the road.  But what's the point anyways, you can't drive fast in America..... no autobahn :(
yah any 1000+cc sportbike will do,the 1000s are even faster than the bigger bikes.
i have german autobahn here very close, can go there and legaly drive 200mph :D
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Re: Buying a used Aston Martin (BB related)
« Reply #99 on: March 06, 2014, 08:57:00 PM »
Totally irrelevent comparison.  I have no interest in driving a bike for example.  What's next, saying "why buy a bike or sports car when you get a used airplane that'll destroy them both"  ::)
nah, its about performance, youre the one who wanted to overrate the corvettes performance, i dont think you bought the vette bc of the sport seats, but bc performance.

its the only one factor to actualy buy it, but get better bang for buck on any bike.

and yeah, remember, things like evo 7 mitsubishi, a ricer pos, will kill you off the line every time.

this is the real world.can bring car mags numbers all you want, but you know this.

alll the real good sport cars are changing to awd, even ferarri!.lambo anyway.

hell ferrari has adaptable 4wd where even the single wheels adapt to driving style and you talk of some "new" a8 gearbox haha,comeone.

the best gearbox according to some formula 1 driver who tried, in normal cars is int he nisaan actualy.i dont think the vette transmission comes close, gm lives from engineering pov, in the dark ages.

the vette engine, single camshaft,oh brother.

or do they have dohc of some kind by now,i dont follow this anymore?
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