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Pleads the fifth again
« on: March 05, 2014, 08:20:11 AM »

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 08:24:11 AM »

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 08:25:45 AM »
Holyshit......if the truth was that the WH had nothing to do with anything, she is the one to prove it. Obviously that is not the truth.
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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 08:31:32 AM »
If this is a "phony scandal," why has she twice taken the Fifth?

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2014, 10:05:42 AM »
If this is a "phony scandal,"javascript:void(0); why has she twice taken the Fifth?

ahahahah, if he is innocent why not just talk?

common logical fallacy. You see taking this amendment as lying basically. Is that the only reason one would plead the fifth?

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2014, 10:17:39 AM »
why the fark ever should a government employee who is paid for by the people, who works for the people be allowed to plead the 5th?

you talk, spill the beans or go to jail until which time you decide to speak.


there should be ZERO hidden about government employees

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2014, 10:18:18 AM »
Pleads the fifth again = obvious cover up.....again!

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/119367-lerner-refuses-testify-cummings-flips-issa-abruptly-adjourns-hearing/


All about the 2nd Amendment but not about the 5th Amendment...... ::)
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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2014, 12:03:32 PM »

All about the 2nd Amendment but not about the 5th Amendment...... ::)

So you think she's completely innocent and just another republican target? lol

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2014, 01:00:49 PM »
So you think she's completely innocent and just another republican target? lol


It doesn't matter.  She's following the advice of her attorney and I say its sound advice because no matter what she says, it won't matter.  Its a GOP witchhunt designed to score points for the next election.
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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2014, 01:02:47 PM »
If this is a "phony scandal," why has she twice taken the Fifth?

Well, not everyone that takes the fifth is guilty, are they?

I am not talking about this case, I'm talking in general.  There are lots of times when an innocent persons should STFU before talking themselves or someone else into trouble.

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2014, 07:27:38 PM »
ahahahah, if he is innocent why not just talk?

common logical fallacy. You see taking this amendment as lying basically. Is that the only reason one would plead the fifth?

No, I don't believe that anyone who takes the Fifth is automatically guilty of a crime. 

But I do question why this particular woman has taken the Fifth twice.  The evidence and her own admissions do show that she definitely engaged in misconduct.  Whether that misconduct is a crime, I don't know. 

But why is she taking the Fifth? 

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2014, 08:55:54 AM »
No, I don't believe that anyone who takes the Fifth is automatically guilty of a crime. 

But I do question why this particular woman has taken the Fifth twice.  The evidence and her own admissions do show that she definitely engaged in misconduct.  Whether that misconduct is a crime, I don't know. 

But why is she taking the Fifth? 

No one knows but her and her lawyer dude, the rest is speculation or variying magnitudes.

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2014, 10:56:31 AM »
No one knows but her and her lawyer dude, the rest is speculation or variying magnitudes.

Yes, although I still question why she is doing it.  Does not pass the smell test. 

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2014, 01:28:29 PM »
Yes, although I still question why she is doing it.  Does not pass the smell test. 

Yes, however, this is called bias, you have a pre-conceived notion in your head, I know it is compelling to post conjecture   but you have to start using some critical thinking skills,ok Beach Bum.

question since I have your attention. Do you admit the possibility of no god? loco chime in or MOS. Even coach, I am curious to see how you guys answer (how you think you are suppose to answer) versus actually believing what you are saying.

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2014, 07:27:58 PM »
Yes, however, this is called bias, you have a pre-conceived notion in your head, I know it is compelling to post conjecture   but you have to start using some critical thinking skills,ok Beach Bum.

question since I have your attention. Do you admit the possibility of no god? loco chime in or MOS. Even coach, I am curious to see how you guys answer (how you think you are suppose to answer) versus actually believing what you are saying.

Actually it's just me using common sense.  Things usually are as they appear to be.  I think the woman is hiding something.  Don't know exactly what.  Is that conjecture?  Of course.  You're welcome to disagree. 

Is it possible there is no God?  Yes.  Do I personally believe there is a God?  Yes.  What the heck does that have to with this woman taking the Fifth?? 

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2014, 08:36:12 PM »
If she's innocent, or perhaps "just following orders"... by saying nothing, she stymies those who might seek to cover their butts and hang her out to dry. It wouldn't be the first time an admin has framed a patsy to take the fall.
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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2014, 01:12:57 AM »
yeah, if some prick lawyer (or cop) accuses me of something or demands I answer Qs that might get my ass in trouble... then YES, I'm pleading the 5th.

And if some keyboard juror decides I'm a criminal because I was smart enough not to chat my way into a jail cell... then so be it!

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2014, 11:41:59 AM »
Actually it's just me using common sense.  Things usually are as they appear to be.  I think the woman is hiding something.  Don't know exactly what.  Is that conjecture?  Of course.  You're welcome to disagree. 

Is it possible there is no God?  Yes.  Do I personally believe there is a God?  Yes.  What the heck does that have to with this woman taking the Fifth?? 


It's not common sense to come to a conclusion based on a lack of information, where did you attend school?I will just hold off speculation until more comes out, otherwise it's an exercise in futility.

just a question, nothing really.

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2014, 11:48:08 AM »

It's not common sense to come to a conclusion based on a lack of information, where did you attend school?I will just hold off speculation until more comes out, otherwise it's an exercise in futility.

just a question, nothing really.

That C works for us.  forget taking the 5th - she needs a cell along w O-TWINK

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2014, 06:22:26 PM »
Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul...et.al= The only people in DC who are trying to do the right thing.

Listen to me and listen well; The cockroaches in DC don't give a fuck about the constitution or what you think. 

This cuntrag will walk the plank and get off scott free. Even establishment bitchbag George Will has called her out:

Scowling face of the state

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As soon as the Constitution permitted him to run for Congress, Al Salvi did. In 1986, just 26 and fresh from the University of Illinois law school, he sank $1,000 of his own money, which was most of his money, into his campaign to unseat an incumbent Democratic congressman. Salvi studied for the bar exam during meals at campaign dinners.

He lost his campaign. Today, however, he should be invited to Congress to testify about what happened 10 years later, when he was a prosperous lawyer and won the Republican Senate nomination to run against a Democratic congressman named Dick Durbin.

In the fall of 1996, at the campaign’s climax, Democrats filed with the Federal Election Commission charges against Salvi’s campaign alleging campaign finance violations. These charges dominated the campaign’s closing days. Salvi spoke by telephone with the head of the FEC’s Enforcement Division, who he remembers saying: “Promise me you will never run for office again, and we’ll drop this case.” He was speaking to Lois Lerner.

After losing to Durbin, Salvi spent four years and $100,000 fighting the FEC, on whose behalf FBI agents visited his elderly mother demanding to know, concerning her $2,000 contribution to her son’s campaign, where she got “that kind of money.” When the second of two federal courts held that the charges against Salvi were spurious, the lawyer arguing for the FEC was Lois Lerner.

More recently, she has been head of the IRS Exempt Organizations Division, which has used its powers of delay, harassment and extortion to suppress political participation. For example, it has told an Iowa right-to-life group that it would get tax-exempt status if it would promise not to picket Planned Parenthood clinics.

Last week, in a televised House Ways and Means Committee hearing, Rep. Peter Roskam (R-Ill.), Salvi’s former law partner, told the riveting story of the partisan enforcement of campaign laws to suppress political competition by distracting Salvi and entangling him in bureaucratic snares. The next day, the number of inches of newsprint in The Post and the New York Times devoted to Roskam’s revelation was the number of minutes that had been devoted to it on the three broadcast networks’ evening news programs the night before: Zero.

House Republicans should use their committee chairmanships to let Lerner exercise her right to confront Salvi and her many other accusers. If she were invited back to Congress to respond concerning Salvi, would she again refuse to testify by invoking her Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination? There is one way to find out.

Durbin, the second-ranking Senate Democrat, defeated Salvi by 15 points. He probably would have won without the assistance of Lerner and the campaign “reforms” that have produced the FEC’s mare’s-nest of regulations and speech police that lend themselves to abuses like those Salvi experienced. In 2010, Durbin, who will seek a fourth term next year, wrote a letter urging Lerner’s IRS division to pay special attention to a political advocacy group supporting conservatives.

Lerner, it is prudent to assume, is one among thousands like her who infest the regulatory state. She is not just a bureaucratic bully and a slithering partisan. Now she also is a national security problem because she is contributing to a comprehensive distrust of government.

The case for the National Security Agency’s gathering of metadata is: America is threatened not by a nation but by a network, dispersed and largely invisible until made visible by connecting dots. The network cannot help but leave, as we all do daily, a digital trail of cellphone, credit card and Internet uses. The dots are in such data; algorithms connect them. The technological gathering of 300 billion bits of data is less menacing than the gathering of 300 by bureaucrats. Mass gatherings by the executive branch twice receive judicial scrutiny, once concerning phone and Internet usages, another concerning the content of messages.


The case against the NSA is: Lois Lerner and others of her ilk.

Government requires trust. Government by progressives, however, demands such inordinate amounts of trust that the demand itself should provoke distrust. Progressivism can be distilled into two words: “Trust us.” The antecedent of the pronoun is: The wise, disinterested experts through whom the vast powers of the regulatory state’s executive branch will deliver progress for our own good, as the executive branch understands this, whether we understand it or not. Lois Lerner is the scowling face of this state, which has earned Americans’ distrust.


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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2014, 08:11:09 PM »
Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul...et.al= The only people in DC who are trying to do the right thing.

Listen to me and listen well; The cockroaches in DC don't give a fuck about the constitution or what you think. 

This cuntrag will walk the plank and get off scott free. Even establishment bitchbag George Will has called her out:

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Read more from George F. Will’s archive or follow him on Facebook.

Da'fuck?  I don't know jack about this Lerner stuff but George Will left ABC for Fox in last October. 

He's hardly an "establishment bitchbag" now.  George ran out of things to say a long time ago and is just trying to ingratiate himself with his paymasters at Fox at this point.

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Re: Pleads the fifth again
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2014, 07:16:08 PM »

It's not common sense to come to a conclusion based on a lack of information, where did you attend school?I will just hold off speculation until more comes out, otherwise it's an exercise in futility.

just a question, nothing really.

Yes, I'm using common sense to form an opinion.  People form opinions based on limited information all the time.  It's not that difficult.  And frankly, you're not making any sense, because you know good and well you form opinions based on limited information all the time. 

I admit some opinions are more informed than others, based on the information you have, but to say you cannot form any opinion until you have "all" of the information (whatever "all" might mean) is pretty silly.