ESF what is your take on using ethyl oleate? does it really downgrade the hormone over time? I have heard when ethyl oleate is used it make the hormone downgrade faster meaning it will expire faster then gear without ethyl oleate. True or myth? I remember when ethyl oleate came out and UGL's thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. Thats when I started seeing way more mixes and injectable orals made into injectables plus very high EQ concentrations like 600mg per ml.
I know labs that used grapeseed oil only when making Test 400 even Test-500-no ethyl oleate at all!. I don"t think Ethyl Oleate was really even used when these labs were making this Test 400 and Test -500. I know ethyl Oleate seemed to get real popular in the mid 2000's like 2005. I think even organon uses arachis oil. Alpha-pharma is good enough quality to be human grade I know getting a license in india is not hard at all but even llwellyn classifies Alpha-pharma as Human grade. It is def true most all UGL's do use GSO. I think it is odd because if i were to start a UGL I would copy exactly what watson uses to make their Test depot just like gen-Pharma used to do. Since gen-Pharma is dead I think it is ok to talk about how he made some of his gear but he would copy watson and upjohns gear down to the T. But some of his other gear was in every oil you can imagine even the vegetable oil I was talking about.
I know some sights sell USP grade sterile oil but do you think gen-Pharma just bought some vegetable oil over the counter and sterilized it himself? that seems so nasty!
most the oil you buy isn't sterile, you have to sterilize it yourself. when THEY get it, it's sterile, but when they transfer to smaller bottles it's no longer sterile.. no matter what the oil is. the oil you get off the shelf at walmart is no differnet from what you get from supply companies. it all gets filtered and sterilized anyway.
I seriously doubt the T400 made with grapeseed oil was actually 400mg/ml, because I've used every method possible to make painless 400mg Test E and it really seems to come down to the total mg/ml, even cutting it down to 350mg/ml makes an enormous difference.
when I do high mg/ml EO mixes, it's usually a custom blend for a few customers or so.. or at least I know it's going out soon and it'll gonna be used within 2-3 months. I don't have 1L jugs ready such is the case with other stuff like regular dose test/deca/tren/ect...
the oil doesn't really make a difference.. at least not in the dosages most gear is moved in (200-250mg/ml)... the only thing you need to watch out of is using oil that will cause people to die (peanut allergies & ppl going into shock and unable to breath). look at the companies that made "synthol" and what kinds of oil they used... I used MCT oil right of the shelf of GNC with zero problems... hell, I even drew it straight out of the bottle with the cap off and sticking a syringe down into the oil and never got a bad reaction (nor did my co-worker who was obsessed with bringing his calves up).. no BA, no BB, no lidocaine, nothing. you can use any oil really.