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Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« on: March 06, 2014, 11:08:59 AM »
 The Alabama House Education Policy Committee approved legislation by a voice vote that would allow public school teachers to lead students in a daily prayer, even though the majority of the committee members voted against it, according to The Montgomery Advisor.

Three lawmakers — Reps. Terri Collins (R-Decatur), Elaine Beech (D-Chatom), and Phil Williams (R-Huntsville) — voted against the bill. Three other lawmakers — Reps. Marcel Black (D-Tuscumbia), Mac Buttram (R-Cullman), and Kerry Rich (R-Albertville) — did not vote.

Only two lawmakers — Committee chairwoman Mary Sue McClurkin (R-Indian Springs) and Rep. Lesley Vance (R-Phenix City) — voted in favor of the bill.






But McClurkin claimed she heard more “yeas” than “nays” during the voice vote.

“House Clerk Jeff Woodard said the chairman of each committee has the discretion to decide the outcome of a voice vote. Committee members can request roll call votes if there’s a dispute, but none of the Education Policy committee members did,” Kala Kachmar of the The Montgomery Advisor reported.

The legislation, introduced by state Rep. Steve Hurst (R-Munford), requires teachers to begin each day by reading the opening prayers recited before sessions of the U.S. Congress. Teachers would be allowed to devote up to 15 minutes a day to the prayer.

“If Congress can open with a prayer, and the state of Alabama Legislature can, I don’t see why schools can’t,” Hurst said.

But the group Americans United for Church and State disagrees. They described the legislation as “egregious” and said it was clearly unconstitutional.

“Using Congressional prayers does not, in fact, make this bill constitutional. A teacher-led prayer in a public school is undoubtedly different than a prayer in a legislative meeting. First, congressional prayers are directed only at the legislators themselves, who are adults, rather than young and impressionable students,” the group wrote on Thursday.

“Second, the opening prayers of a legislative session typically has an atmosphere where adults are free to enter and leave without notice. Students in a classroom, on the other hand, are a captive audience and legally mandated to attend school.”

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2014, 11:17:20 AM »
The Alabama House Education Policy Committee approved legislation by a voice vote that would allow public school teachers to lead students in a daily prayer, even though the majority of the committee members voted against it, according to The Montgomery Advisor.

Three lawmakers — Reps. Terri Collins (R-Decatur), Elaine Beech (D-Chatom), and Phil Williams (R-Huntsville) — voted against the bill. Three other lawmakers — Reps. Marcel Black (D-Tuscumbia), Mac Buttram (R-Cullman), and Kerry Rich (R-Albertville) — did not vote.

Only two lawmakers — Committee chairwoman Mary Sue McClurkin (R-Indian Springs) and Rep. Lesley Vance (R-Phenix City) — voted in favor of the bill.






But McClurkin claimed she heard more “yeas” than “nays” during the voice vote.

“House Clerk Jeff Woodard said the chairman of each committee has the discretion to decide the outcome of a voice vote. Committee members can request roll call votes if there’s a dispute, but none of the Education Policy committee members did,” Kala Kachmar of the The Montgomery Advisor reported.

The legislation, introduced by state Rep. Steve Hurst (R-Munford), requires teachers to begin each day by reading the opening prayers recited before sessions of the U.S. Congress. Teachers would be allowed to devote up to 15 minutes a day to the prayer.

If Congress can open with a prayer, and the state of Alabama Legislature can, I don’t see why schools can’t,” Hurst said.

But the group Americans United for Church and State disagrees. They described the legislation as “egregious” and said it was clearly unconstitutional.

“Using Congressional prayers does not, in fact, make this bill constitutional. A teacher-led prayer in a public school is undoubtedly different than a prayer in a legislative meeting. First, congressional prayers are directed only at the legislators themselves, who are adults, rather than young and impressionable students,” the group wrote on Thursday.

“Second, the opening prayers of a legislative session typically has an atmosphere where adults are free to enter and leave without notice. Students in a classroom, on the other hand, are a captive audience and legally mandated to attend school.”


And now, say goodbye to prayers in congress.

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2014, 12:12:49 PM »
Give them a minute of silence and move on...the law suits that the idiot left will file on this will waste way more tax money then necessary
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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2014, 12:15:20 PM »
Give them a minute of silence and move on...the law suits that the idiot left will file on this will waste way more tax money then necessary

how come it's not the idiot right for passing a law that's illegal anyway ;D

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2014, 12:22:25 PM »
You people are idiots even when you're not idiots.
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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2014, 12:32:06 PM »
so trying to pass a law that's illegal anyway doesn't make you an idiot, but fighting it does.oooookkkk   I think it's obvious who the idiots are  :D :D

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2014, 12:57:14 PM »
If this was some law enabling Muslim prayers instead of Christian the Left wouldnt make a peep about it.

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 01:16:56 PM »
If this was some law enabling Muslim prayers instead of Christian the Left wouldnt make a peep about it.

Do you have a link to this or you jusy talking out your ass

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 02:14:29 PM »
Do you have a link to this or you jusy talking out your ass

Let's be real here bro, some leftist would be championing it just like someone is opposing this. It's what we do.

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 02:30:43 PM »
The Alabama House Education Policy Committee approved legislation by a voice vote that would allow public school teachers to lead students in a daily prayer, even though the majority of the committee members voted against it, according to The Montgomery Advisor.

Three lawmakers — Reps. Terri Collins (R-Decatur), Elaine Beech (D-Chatom), and Phil Williams (R-Huntsville) — voted against the bill. Three other lawmakers — Reps. Marcel Black (D-Tuscumbia), Mac Buttram (R-Cullman), and Kerry Rich (R-Albertville) — did not vote.

Only two lawmakers — Committee chairwoman Mary Sue McClurkin (R-Indian Springs) and Rep. Lesley Vance (R-Phenix City) — voted in favor of the bill.






But McClurkin claimed she heard more “yeas” than “nays” during the voice vote.

“House Clerk Jeff Woodard said the chairman of each committee has the discretion to decide the outcome of a voice vote. Committee members can request roll call votes if there’s a dispute, but none of the Education Policy committee members did,” Kala Kachmar of the The Montgomery Advisor reported.

The legislation, introduced by state Rep. Steve Hurst (R-Munford), requires teachers to begin each day by reading the opening prayers recited before sessions of the U.S. Congress. Teachers would be allowed to devote up to 15 minutes a day to the prayer.

“If Congress can open with a prayer, and the state of Alabama Legislature can, I don’t see why schools can’t,” Hurst said.

But the group Americans United for Church and State disagrees. They described the legislation as “egregious” and said it was clearly unconstitutional.

“Using Congressional prayers does not, in fact, make this bill constitutional. A teacher-led prayer in a public school is undoubtedly different than a prayer in a legislative meeting. First, congressional prayers are directed only at the legislators themselves, who are adults, rather than young and impressionable students,” the group wrote on Thursday.

“Second, the opening prayers of a legislative session typically has an atmosphere where adults are free to enter and leave without notice. Students in a classroom, on the other hand, are a captive audience and legally mandated to attend school.”


putting aside how completely stupid this is, why did they have a voice vote after having already had a regular vote and why would they even need a voice vote when it there are only 5 total voters

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Re: Alabama Leg. Approves Bill Requiring School Prayer
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2014, 04:33:16 PM »
putting aside how completely stupid this is, why did they have a voice vote after having already had a regular vote and why would they even need a voice vote when it there are only 5 total voters
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