Just How Old is the U.S. Constitution?

[Soul Crusher]

I wish i were Black life would be a lot easier.

Depends on whether you are Lebron or Trayvon.   

[StreetSoldier4U]

I wish i were Black life would be a lot easier.

It wouldn't be easier but it certainly would be less responsible.

[OzmO]

Frankly I am tired of all the "400 years of slavery" routine we constantly hear.  

None of these people now are without freedom and opportunity.  Yes, there is racism and there still are challenges unique to some races int he USA.  But everyone, everywhere has challenges.

Its your attitude towards those challenges and what you are willing to do to overcome them that determines your success.  NOT the color of your skin.  The constant pushing of this sympathetic attitude to Blacks due to 400 years of slavery that NONE of them experience today produces people like this:

My GF's co-worker's sister is attempting to sue a liquor store for selling alcohol that lead to her getting a DUI.  

[StreetSoldier4U]

Frankly I am tired of all the "400 years of slavery" routine we constantly hear.  

None of these people now are without freedom and opportunity.  Yes, there is racism and there still are challenges unique to some races int he USA.  But everyone, everywhere has challenges.

Its your attitude towards those challenges and what you are willing to do overcome them that determines your success.  NOT the color of your skin.  The constant pushing of this sympathetic attitude to Blacks due to 400 years of slavery that NONE of them experience today produces people like this:

My GF's co-worker's sister is attempting to sue a liquor store for selling alcohol that lead to her getting a DUI.  

Very well said. 

[RRKore]

Jews have suffered a lot more, for a lot longer, and look at them.  There is no excuse.

Did this suffering happen in the USA?

And I'm not saying anything about an "excuse".  

I'm only insisting on more accuracy when folks are characterizing the history of blacks here in our country.

Honestly, I don't really get why people have a problem with this.  "White guilt" is a ridiculous concept to me -- I'm never going to feel guilty about something I didn't do.

To me the the point of acknowledging how horrible blacks as a whole have historically had it in the USA (and understanding the reasons for it) is absolutely not some excuse for handing out "reparations" (How would you make it up to folks that are dead anyway?), it's to make sure we're not making similar mistakes today.  

[RRKore]

Depends on whether you are Lebron or Trayvon.   

LOL.  Good one.

[StreetSoldier4U]

Did this suffering happen in the USA?

And I'm not saying anything about an "excuse".  

I'm only insisting on more accuracy when folks are characterizing the history of blacks here in our country.

Honestly, I don't really get why people have a problem with this.  "White guilt" is a ridiculous concept to me -- I'm never going to feel guilty about something I didn't do.

To me the the point of acknowledging how horrible blacks as a whole have historically had it in the USA (and understanding the reasons for it) is absolutely not some excuse for handing out "reparations" (How would you make it up to folks that are dead anyway?), it's to make sure we're not making similar mistakes today.  

I think whites are just exhausted by constantly being hit over the head by race-baiting hustlers.  The average white person is just trying to get by and has very little interest in being made to feel bad.

[RRKore]

I think whites are just exhausted by constantly being hit over the head by race-baiting hustlers.  The average white person is just trying to get by and has very little interest in being made to feel bad.

That seems correct to me, largely.

You know, there will always be people who try very hard to exploit other people.  Slavery is such a stark example of this that's it's almost uninteresting.  

What IS interesting (to me) is the history of how the white man's attitude toward blacks was consciously manipulated to some degree in order for the moneyed elite to more easily maintain their position in society.  

I think it can easily be argued that this shit is still happening today when, as a result of stories covered in the mainstream media, you find common folks debating passionately about whether (black) folks on the dole should ever eat shrimp and yet not saying much about the much more costly financial bail outs and even less about the ridiculously excessive amount of public money that is spent on national defense.

[JOHN MATRIX]

So slavery, which officially ended in 1865, was the only disadvantage suffered by blacks?  To hear you tell it, one would think that, starting in 1856 or so, blacks were on equal footing with whites.  And that is bullshit.

Your comment comparing racism against Asians to that suffered by blacks in the USA since after the Civil War is even more ignorant.  Read a freakin' book, fergawdsake.

Slavery is often touted as an 'excuse' and in apologist arguements for the modern day situation/behavior of blacks, and it ended in 1865.

Obviously blacks still faced discrimination after that point, but then so did tons of other groups, all of whom are considerably bettrr off than the black community is today, and none of them constantly cite conditions for their remote ancestors as excuses.

Do you know anything about the asian american experience in america? The conditions and treatment of them when they came in the 1850's? In california during the gold rush? The Chinese exclusion act? The Yellow Peril? Virtual slave labor building the
railroads? Actual government racist propoganda during the 1940's? Rampant racism towards them essentially from the time they came through the vietnam era?

Yet unlike blacks they have cultures/mentalities that push dicipline, pride, respect and honor, and are considered today the 'model minority' with academic and monetary success exceeding the levels for whites, with a virtually non existant crime rate

[RRKore]

Slavery is often touted as an 'excuse' and in apologist arguements for the modern day situation/behavior of blacks, and it ended in 1865.

Obviously blacks still faced discrimination after that point, but then so did tons of other groups, all of whom are considerably bettrr off than the black community is today, and none of them constantly cite conditions for their remote ancestors as excuses.

Do you know anything about the asian american experience in america? The conditions and treatment of them when they came in the 1850's? In california during the gold rush? The Chinese exclusion act? The Yellow Peril? Virtual slave labor building the
railroads? Actual government racist propoganda during the 1940's? Rampant racism towards them essentially from the time they came through the vietnam era?

Yet unlike blacks they have cultures/mentalities that push dicipline, pride, respect and honor, and are considered today the 'model minority' with academic and monetary success exceeding the levels for whites, with a virtually non existant crime rate

I'm in no way denying that Asians weren't discriminated against.  I AM denying that their experience was comparable to that of blacks, though.  (The ONLY group in the USA that can say that are the American Indians.)  

I hear ya about current day Asians as a whole being generally much more successful than blacks as a whole but think that it's just wrong to think that Asians have suffered near as much as blacks in the USA since the post-Civil War era (as you seem to be implying).

Anyway, are you saying that you think that Asian experienced as much racism as blacks since after the Civil War?  (Because I think that would be provably false but want to make sure about what you're saying before I show you that.)

[JOHN MATRIX]

Probably pretty close. It is very underrated and the reason few people are even aware of it is cause the asians dont bring it up constantly like the blacks do.

And regardless...even if the blacks did have it 'a little more' than the other groups, it in no way serves as an 'excuse' for the state of modern day black community.

For example, the black community had better family structure, less crime, less drug use, and a vastly lower illigitimate birth rate during the segregation era than they do today...so how does that 'explain' their state today?

[loco]

Did this suffering happen in the USA?

Yes, although Antisemitism in the USA has decreased in recent years. 

What does that have to do with anything? 

Jews have suffered a lot worse, for many thousands of years, in many countries all over the world.  Yet, they always manage to get ahead, without making excuses.

[loco]

The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States first announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson at Ohio University, then at University of Michigan, and subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s. Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

Economist Thomas Sowell argues that the Great Society programs only contributed to the destruction of African American families, saying "the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society#African-American_family_structure

Economist Thomas Sowell

[24KT]

Back in the early 90's when that whole "Cross Colors" and back to Africa movement was going on, I saw a Hebrew lady that had a shirt that said "Damn right I have an attitude, if you'd been in chains and bondage 400 years you'd have one too". I thought, even as a 10-12 year old, "first blacks came here in 1617 and slavery ended in 1865 at the latest, hmmm".

Actually, Blacks have been in North America long before 1617, ...thousands of years in fact.
It wasn't until the 1600's that they were exported here as slaves.

[StreetSoldier4U]

Actually, Blacks have been in North America long before 1617, ...thousands of years in fact.
It wasn't until the 1600's that they were exported here as slaves.

Enter the racist antisemitic black supremacist

[24KT]

It's an excuse for sure.  Asian Americans can come right off the boat and perform better than blacks.  Time to put away the excuses and hold their community responsible for themselves.  They can't milk the victim teet forever.

I'm sure as the super-sensitize AshkeNAZI that you are, ...you are well versed in milking the victim teet aren't you?

[StreetSoldier4U]

I'm sure as the super-sensitize AshkeNAZI that you are, ...you are well versed in milking the victim teet aren't you?

Blam, here comes the antisemiticism.  Why isn't she banned for this shit.

[24KT]

Enter the racist antisemitic black supremacist

Moi??? ...a racist? ...anti-Semitic? ...a Black Supremacist?  ROTFLMBAO!!!! In your dreams.

[StreetSoldier4U]

Moi??? ...a racist? ...anti-Semitic? ...a Black Supremacist?  ROTFLMBAO!!!! In your dreams.

You need to go.  Comparing a Jew to a nazi is ridiculous

[loco]

Anti-semitism incidents jump five-fold in Canada
"Anti-semitism cases in 2009 double worldwide over the year before; Canada registers a five-fold increase."
http://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/2010/04/11/antisemitism_incidents_jump_fivefold_in_canada.html


Anti-Defamation League:
"Confirming the three previous studies, black Americans remain considerably more likely than white Americans to hold anti-Semitic views. In the 1998 survey, blacks (34%) are nearly four times as likely as whites (9%) to fall into the most anti-Semitic category."
http://archive.adl.org/antisemitism_survey/survey_print.html

[StreetSoldier4U]

Anti-semitism incidents jump five-fold in Canada
"Anti-semitism cases in 2009 double worldwide over the year before; Canada registers a five-fold increase."
http://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/2010/04/11/antisemitism_incidents_jump_fivefold_in_canada.html


Anti-Defamation League:
Confirming the three previous studies, black Americans remain considerably more likely than white Americans to hold anti-Semitic views. In the 1998 survey, blacks (34%) are nearly four times as likely as whites (9%) to fall into the most anti-Semitic category.
http://archive.adl.org/antisemitism_survey/survey_print.html

I posted this very link.  Of course she ignored it.  She's a Farrakhan supporter.

[JOHN MATRIX]

The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States first announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson at Ohio University, then at University of Michigan, and subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s. Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

Economist Thomas Sowell argues that the Great Society programs only contributed to the destruction of African American families, saying "the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society#African-American_family_structure

Excellent points here.

The democrat's welfare state policies have not only not helped the poor but actually increased poverty and taken a terrible toll on the black family unit.

Any libs care to address this? Or is it just easier to scream KOCK BROTHERS!!!

[dario73]

Excellent points here.

The democrat's welfare state policies have not only not helped the poor but actually increased poverty and taken a terrible toll on the black family unit.

Any libs care to address this? Or is it just easier to scream KOCK BROTHERS!!!

Yo....yo, yo, yo.

Dat boy Sowell is a house negro.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Hahhaaha

[240 is Back]

Oh look - another leftist making an idiotic remark that had palin done it the libs would be in meltdown

it's safe to say both the leftists AND palin are idiots.   Doesnt' have to be an either/or situation.