I thnk GNC's whey is fake

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Prove and you can sue. Make a fortune and quit your shitty job.

Hard to believe though that a company like GNC would put out fake protein under it's own name. They have so much to lose. This would destroy their reputation forever.

This. What a fiasco that would be if it actually is fake.

Flintstones, did you switch your gear source too or something? I know you said variables are the same, but I still have to ask.

[LurkerNoMore]

Stick with Beverly if you can afford it.  Best of the best there.  Otherwise go with the tri blend from Team Skip.  The cinnamon bun is awesome and the chocolate chip cookie dough is my second favorite.  

I don't use a lot of protein powder any more.  I used to pound down 350+ grams daily too.  Dropped the powder and went with 150-200 grams of protein from solid food sources and never saw a whit of difference in muscle atrophy or strength loss.  

[AlphaMaleDawg]

lol at everyone so convinced there's a drastic difference between protein powder formulas (some of which are actually pretty good) and protein from food. It's all the same shit. Plenty of studies show the benefits of whey and casein.

The only argument for food is simply, "BECAUSE IT'S FOOD!"

[Wolfox]

Doubt it bro.

Also, why 350 grams of protein? You're not on a cut so just take a gram per lb of bw and fill the rest with carbs and fat.

[kreator]

your wasting your money, no way on earth your body can absorb all that protein, hardly even half of it

[Red Hook]

Eating 100gms of protein for a month shouldn't make you lose all your muscle.
You havent acquired a bunny suit of late have you?

lol..oh oh not again. Kids today

[MCWAY]

...with my new job I drink alot of shakes. almost all my protein comes from shakes, so if my protein was not real a guy like me would be absolutely fucked.

 I was using universal whey protein my friend got like 25 pounds for me, great gains during those two months. Im talking about  growth every week.

Switched to GNC's brand the past 6 weeks or so, haven't been gaining shit. I actually feel like I've regressed. The scale is down 5lbs and I look like I've gained fat..

I eat eggs for brekfast and a steak for dinner. About 100 grams of protein per day.  200 grams from protein powder. You go from getting 350 grams of protein per day with universal to really only getting 100 grams of protein per day (if that) and thats what happens I guess.

junk product. Stay the fuck away from this brand. Im fucking pissed. past month in the gym wasted

Your problem is elsewhere. I've used this product for years and my results have been good.

[G_Thang]

...with my new job I drink alot of shakes. almost all my protein comes from shakes, so if my protein was not real a guy like me would be absolutely fucked.

 I was using universal whey protein my friend got like 25 pounds for me, great gains during those two months. Im talking about  growth every week.

Switched to GNC's brand the past 6 weeks or so, haven't been gaining shit. I actually feel like I've regressed. The scale is down 5lbs and I look like I've gained fat..

I eat eggs for brekfast and a steak for dinner. About 100 grams of protein per day.  200 grams from protein powder. You go from getting 350 grams of protein per day with universal to really only getting 100 grams of protein per day (if that) and thats what happens I guess.

junk product. Stay the fuck away from this brand. Im fucking pissed. past month in the gym wasted

an organic whey, egg white powder (taste like chalk) or trueprotein mix and you should be fine.  the rest of the industry just uses utah sugar mixes.  

[Eric2]

Whey like all other protein powders are not worth the money spent. Your money is far better spent on real animal source protiens. Fish,chicken,eggs,beef, milk and cottage cheese. Far too much emphasise is placed on protien, too much turns to fat and will strain your organs.

[flinstones1]

an organic whey, egg white powder (taste like chalk) or trueprotein mix and you should be fine.  the rest of the industry just uses utah sugar mixes.  

actually think i might try optimum

[MCWAY]

Whey like all other protein powders are not worth the money spent. Your money is far better spent on real animal source protiens. Fish,chicken,eggs,beef, milk and cottage cheese. Far too much emphasise is placed on protien, too much turns to fat and will strain your organs.

They are worth it, if you get 5-lb jugs for $20 or less.

 

[Go 4 It]

Isopure

[Mobil]

i dont think its fake, i dont know the govt regulations on it, but if it were fake you could fuck them up so bad in court it wouldnt even be funny.

its kinda trash cheap roducts anyway,easy to make, no need to fake that.

ruehl too said, for bulking, the protein and then whatever else calories you can stuff down, no matter what it is,nutella etc.

he also said be prepared to have epic moonface

i believe years ago, BSN had a class action lawsuit against one of their supplements.. and BSN lost.. due to not containing what the label said it had... im sure if someone can google it they can find it

[MCWAY]

Isopure

Too expensive, unless GNC marks down the RTDs. I miss the days of getting them form $0.75 a piece.

[sagittal chest]

Interesting thread

[Novena]

I thnk GNC's whey is fake.

No whey!...

[flinstones1]

Isopure

good stuff

[Rambone]

Is this guy legally retarded?

[El Diablo Blanco]

Your problem is elsewhere. I've used this product for years and my results have been good.

MCWAY to GNC's rescue again  .  Do you own a franchise or something?  You're like Pellius who never posts here unless someone starts a GH15 thread.

[dustin]

Is this bodybuilding.com?

Oh nnoooooooo, my gains!!! Gains don't come from protein powders. And the whole muscle-math thing is completely off base. I'm surprised flintstones doesn't know all this by now. Lift hard, eat, sleep well, supplement with a shake or two each day at most and don't worry about it.

[Thespritz0]

Not really sure what happened, I used to have a huge appetite and many times would suffer from binge eating. I would eat awhole pie at one time, sometimes a whole jar of peanutbutter. That went away about a year ago.

ThenShortly after that, the appetite followed. . I think I've eaten so much chicken,steak,eggs and fish...my body just rejects it. I could get by with one meal a day no problem.

^^
What the key to limiting binges is "mixing things up", get more VARIETY of proteins... I even keep frozen Angus beef burgers in my freezer and make a topping of sauteed garlic mushrooms and swiss cheese.  Sometimes I don't have steak for a week, instead I'll have Lamb chops, or a different kind of frozen fish filet (Basa, Tilapia, Salmon, Trout, etc...)
If I find I've run out, and don't have time to cook, etc... there's a Indian restaurant nearby that makes KILLER Chicken Curry!!

[no one]

Whey like all other protein powders are not worth the money spent. Your money is far better spent on real animal source protiens. Fish,chicken,eggs,beef, milk and cottage cheese. Far too much emphasise is placed on protien, too much turns to fat and will strain your organs.

you're an idiot. stop posting. thanks in advance.

[pellius]

your wasting your money, no way on earth your body can absorb all that protein, hardly even half of it

So where does that excess protein go? And how do you know your body can only absorb 175 grams/day?

[pellius]

Whey like all other protein powders are not worth the money spent. Your money is far better spent on real animal source protiens. Fish,chicken,eggs,beef, milk and cottage cheese. Far too much emphasise is placed on protien, too much turns to fat and will strain your organs.

Sometimes you just don't have the time to sit down and eat. Downing a shake is a very convenient way to get in the nutrients.

[Oly15]

i believe years ago, BSN had a class action lawsuit against one of their supplements.. and BSN lost.. due to not containing what the label said it had... im sure if someone can google it they can find it

Yeah it was settled in late 2009 I believe..

NOTICE OF CLASS CERTIFICATION AND SETTLEMENT OF CLASS ACTION

To: All persons who purchased a Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc. (?BSN?) Product labeled as containing ?Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate? or ?CEM3? including, but not limited to, ?Cellmass,? ?Nitrix,? and ?N.O.-XPLODE? in the United States, its territories, or at any United States military facility or exchange for personal use from November 6, 2003, through July 6, 2009.

You may be a class member in a class action lawsuit known as Rivera v. Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc. et al., Case No. SACV07-1306 JVS (the ?Action?), in the United States District Court for the Central District of California.

IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THIS CLASS OF PERSONS, YOU SHOULD READ THIS NOTICE CAREFULLY BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT YOUR RIGHTS.

The purpose of this Notice is to advise you that a proposed settlement of the Action has been reached. As part of the proposed settlement, class members who submit valid claim forms with proof of purchase are entitled to, among other things, a refund check of $15.00 for each CEM3 product purchased during the class period, with a maximum refund limit of $30.00.

I. NATURE OF THE ACTION
Defendant BSN develops, manufacturers and distributes nutritional supplements. Plaintiffs filed a class action lawsuit against, among others, BSN, alleging that BSN made misrepresentations on its product labels and other marketing material with regard to the existence of ?CEM3? in BSN?s products.

BSN denies any wrongdoing and any liability whatsoever, and no court or other entity has made any judgment or other determination of any liability.

The Parties have determined that it is in their best interests to settle the Action on the terms generally discussed below in order to avoid the expense, inconvenience, and interference with ongoing business operations of further litigation.

The Honorable James V. Selna of the United States District Court, Central District of California, has determined that the Action should be certified as a class action for settlement purposes only, with Plaintiffs as the class representatives, and has granted preliminary approval of the settlement, subject to a final fairness hearing discussed below.

II. THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT
BSN has agreed to refrain from selling, marketing, advertising, and/or manufacturing any products claimed to contain CEM3. BSN has also agreed to, for a period of three years, affix a $5.00 mail-in rebate coupon to each bottle of Cellmass sold in the United States and affix a $3.00 mail-in rebate coupon to each bottle of Nitrix sold in the United States. For a period of two years, BSN has agreed to affix a $3.00 mail-in rebate coupon to each bottle of N.O.-Xplode sold in the United States (collectively, the ?Rebates?). With each redeemed Rebate, consumers may choose to also receive a free sample pack ($2.15 retail value) of either Cellmass or N.O.-Xplode. Redemptions shall be capped at $50.00 per customer per year. If, by April 30, 2010, total redemption of the Rebates does not exceed $2,500,000.00, BSN has agreed to offer for 12 months, a 25% discount on all direct retail sales of any BSN product (excluding apparel, liquid beverages, sample packs, and promotional items or programs) to all of their customers.

Additionally, BSN has agreed to provide refunds for Authorized Claimants who submit valid claim forms and purchase receipts. Authorized Claimants will be provided a refund check of $15.00 for each CEM3 product purchased during the class period. Cash refunds will be limited to a maximum of $30.00 per authorized claimant. BSN?s obligation to pay cash refunds is limited to the payment of refunds actually claimed and subject to a maximum of $1,500,000.00.

Finally, BSN has agreed to donate a total of $1,000,000.00 worth of BSN products to charitable causes selected by BSN and approved by Class Counsel over the next five years.

III. DISMISSAL OF THE ACTION AND RELEASE OF CLAIMS
If the Court approves the proposed settlement, it will enter a dismissal of the Action with prejudice as to all class members. All class members who do not validly and timely request to be excluded from the proposed settlement will be forever barred from prosecuting their own lawsuits and deemed to have released, among others, BSN and each of its direct or indirect parents, wholly or majority owned subsidiaries, affiliated and related entities, predecessors, successors and assigns, partners, privities, and any of their present and former directors, officers, employees, shareholders, agents, representatives, attorneys, accountants, insurers, and all persons acting by, through, under or in concert with them, or any of them, from all manner of action, causes of action, claims, demands, rights, suits, obligations, debts, contracts, agreements, promises, liabilities, damages, charges, penalties, losses, costs, expenses, and attorneys? fees, of any nature whatsoever, known or unknown, in law or equity, fixed or contingent, which they have or may have arising out of or relating to any of the acts, omissions or other conduct that have or could have been alleged or otherwise referred to in the Action.

IV. FAIRNESS HEARING
On October 19, 2009 at 1:30 p.m., a hearing will be held on the fairness of the proposed settlement. At the hearing, the Court will entertain any objections and arguments concerning the proposed settlement?s fairness. The hearing will take place at the United States District Court for the Central District of California, Courtroom 10C, 411 West Fourth Street, Santa Ana, California.

V. HOW TO RECEIVE YOUR REFUND
To be entitled to participate in the refund portion of the settlement, class members must accurately complete a Claim Form and deliver that form with a retail store or online receipt to the Claims Administrator no later than September 22, 2009:

Rivera v. Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc.
Claims Administrator
c/o Gilardi & Co. LLC
P.O. Box 8060
San Rafael, CA 94912-8060
1-877-582-4348

If you do not submit a valid and timely Claim Form, you will not be able to participate in the refund portion of settlement. The delivery date is deemed to be the date the form is deposited in the U.S. Mail, postage pre-paid, as evidenced by the postmark. You may request a Claim Form from the Claims Administrator at the address above or download one at www.SupplementSettlement .com.

VI. HOW TO OBJECT OR EXCLUDE YOURSELF FROM THE CLASS
Under the law, you have the right to exclude yourself from the class if you wish to pursue a separate lawsuit against the defendants or for any other reason or no reason at all. If you exclude yourself from the class, you will not be entitled to participate in any recovery by the class, and you will not be bound by the settlement.

If you desire to be excluded from the class, you must send a letter or postcard, addressed to the BSN Claims Administrator at: Rivera v. Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc., Claims Administrator, c/o Gilardi & Co. LLC, P.O. Box 8060, San Rafael, CA 94912-8060. Set forth your name, address, the specific BSN product(s) you purchased, the date you purchased the product(s), and state your desire to be excluded from the Class. Your request for exclusion must be postmarked no later than September 22, 2009.
If you wish to object to the settlement, you must file a written objection and/or a Notice of Intention to Appear with the Court, and serve such objection and/or notice on Class Counsel and BSN?s Counsel by September 22, 2009 at the addresses set forth below. Any written objections and/or Notice of Intention to Appear must state: (a) the full name, address, and telephone number of the person objecting; (b) the words ?Notice of Objection? or ?Formal Objection;? and (c) in clear and concise terms, the legal and factual arguments supporting the objection. If you only object to the appropriateness or merits of the Action itself, then your objection will be deemed invalid. Class members who fail to make objections in the manner specified above will be deemed to have waived any objections and will be foreclosed from making any objections (whether by appeal or any other process) to the settlement. Only class members who file and serve timely written objections and/or Notices of Intention to Appear will be allowed to speak at the Fairness Hearing.


Class Counsel Counsel for BSN
James B. Hardin Robert D. Phillips, Jr.
Call, Jensen & Ferrell Reed Smith LLP
610 Newport Center Dr., Suite 700 355 S. Grand Ave., Suite 2900
Newport Beach, CA 92660 Los Angeles, CA 90071-1514


To be considered, the objection papers must be filed with the Court and delivered or postmarked to Class Counsel and BSN?s counsel no later than September 22, 2009. CLASS MEMBERS WHO DO NOT TIMELY MAKE THEIR OBJECTIONS WILL BE DEEMED TO HAVE WAIVED ALL OBJECTIONS AND WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO SPEAK AT THE FAIRNESS HEARING. You may, but need not, enter an appearance through counsel of your choice. If you do, you will be responsible for your personal attorneys? fees and costs.

VII. HOW TO OBTAIN MORE INFORMATION
The foregoing information is not all-inclusive. You may obtain additional information by visiting the Office of the Clerk of the Court, 411 West Fourth Street, Santa Ana, California, during regular court hours, to inspect the pleadings and other papers maintained there.

PLEASE DO NOT CALL OR WRITE THE CLERK OF THE COURT?S OFFICE


Dated: July 6, 2009

BY ORDER OF THE COURT
HONORABLE JAMES V. SELNA
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE