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ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« on: March 31, 2014, 12:55:46 PM »
Embarrassing.


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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 01:07:33 PM »
Just go to 2:09 of the video and watch the waste of oxygen in the blue jacket make the case for Hobby Lobby.

Unbelievable how stupid these libtards are.

But, in the end, the Supreme Court will rule against Hobby Lobby because they already approved the unconstitutional crapcare law. Not because it is the correct ruling but because doing the right thing in protecting Hobby Lobby's rights would mean scaling back on that unconstitutional law and an admission of their original mistake.

Plus, I can see the justices bringing up all these "slippery slope" scenarios to justify their ruling against Hobby Lobby. Except, such "slippery slope" hypotheticals wouldn't even come into play if they hadn't ruled in favor of the unconstitutional law in the first place.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 01:19:37 PM »
Just go to 2:09 of the video and watch the waste of oxygen in the blue jacket make the case for Hobby Lobby.

Unbelievable how stupid these libtards are.

But, in the end, the Supreme Court will rule against Hobby Lobby because they already approved the unconstitutional crapcare law. Not because it is the correct ruling but because doing the right thing in protecting Hobby Lobby's rights would mean scaling back on that unconstitutional law and an admission of their original mistake.

Plus, I can see the justices bringing up all these "slippery slope" scenarios to justify their ruling against Hobby Lobby. Except, such "slippery slope" hypotheticals wouldn't even come into play if they hadn't ruled in favor of the unconstitutional law in the first place.

I agree they created a mess.  Never should have upheld it.  This is just part of the fallout. 

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 01:21:25 PM »
Hobby Lobby is a business...not a church.  If it was ruled in their favor, you can bet that every business out there would claim the same shit. 


Hobby Lobby is only concerned about their bottom line in the guise of "religious freedom".  Fuck them and fuck every other flat earther who believes this garbage
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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 01:25:35 PM »
Hobby Lobby is a business...not a church.  If it was ruled in their favor, you can bet that every business out there would claim the same shit. 


Hobby Lobby is only concerned about their bottom line in the guise of "religious freedom".  Fuck them and fuck every other flat earther who believes this garbage

I take it you are not a fan

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 01:26:00 PM »
Hobby Lobby is a business...not a church.  If it was ruled in their favor, you can bet that every business out there would claim the same shit. 


Hobby Lobby is only concerned about their bottom line in the guise of "religious freedom".  Fuck them and fuck every other flat earther who believes this garbage

It's a business owned by Christians.  The business is concerned about its bottom line, like any viable business, but it's also concerned about faith.  This is from the company website:

At Hobby Lobby, we value our customers and employees and are committed to:
Honoring the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles.
Offering our customers exceptional selection and value in the crafts and home decor market.
Serving our employees and their families by establishing a work environment and company policies that build character, strengthen individuals and nurture families.
Providing a return on the owner's investment, sharing the Lord's blessings with our employees, and investing in our community.
store front imageWe believe that it is by God's grace and provision that Hobby Lobby has endured. He has been faithful in the past, and we trust Him for our future.

Hobby Lobby is THE place to shop with everyday Super Selections and Super Savings! Store hours are Monday through Saturday from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. and all Hobby Lobby stores are closed on Sunday.

http://www.hobbylobby.com/our_company/

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 01:26:14 PM »
Hobby Lobby is a business...not a church.  If it was ruled in their favor, you can bet that every business out there would claim the same shit.  


Hobby Lobby is only concerned about their bottom line in the guise of "religious freedom".  Fuck them and fuck every other flat earther who believes this garbage

You obviously didn't watch the video.

You are making the same stupid point laid out by the idiot in the blue jacket. Are you two fools related?

If the government were to force businesses to not give any benefits to same sex couples, you would be squealing like a pig. But, remember, businesses are not churches, nor individuals, as you libtards like to point out.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 01:29:28 PM »
You obviously didn't watch the video.

You are making the same stupid point laid our by the idiot in the blue jacket. Are you two fools related?

If the government were to force businesses to not give any benefits to same sex couples, you would be squealing like a pig. But, remember, businesses are not churches, nor individuals as you libtards like to point out.

Pretty sure he didn't watch the video. 

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 01:50:46 PM »
Pretty sure he didn't watch the video. 


I watched it...interviewing a bunch of morons doesn't sway my opinion. 
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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 01:52:38 PM »

I watched it...interviewing a bunch of morons doesn't sway my opinion. 

Ok.  I stand corrected. 

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2014, 01:54:55 PM »

I watched it...interviewing a bunch of morons doesn't sway my opinion. 

Those same morons share your opinion.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 02:18:31 PM »
How can a corporation have a religious belief?

Can a corporation go to heaven or hell ?

I bet that have a kick ass Wal Mart in heaven


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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2014, 02:48:18 PM »
I hope that same logic is applied if a law is passed that gives corporations the option to provide such coverage or certain benefits, because after all they are not churches, nor individuals.

They own themselves. They build themselves. No humans are leading those companies.

HEHEHEHE!!

Hope the left applies that logic if a corporate law that doesn't agree with them is passed.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2014, 03:14:43 PM »
Straw and Lurker shop for their knitting kits at Hobby Lobby I heard. 

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2014, 03:20:41 PM »
Straw and Lurker shop for their knitting kits at Hobby Lobby I heard. 
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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2014, 10:01:23 AM »
They got it right.

Supreme Court backs Hobby Lobby in contraceptive mandate challenge
Published June 30, 2014
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The Supreme Court ruled Monday that certain "closely held" for-profit businesses can cite religious objections in order to opt out of a requirement in ObamaCare to provide free contraceptive coverage for their employees.

The 5-4 decision, in favor of arts-and-crafts chain Hobby Lobby and one other company, marks the first time the court has ruled that for-profit businesses can cite religious views under federal law. It also is a blow to a provision of the Affordable Care Act which President Obama's supporters touted heavily during the 2012 presidential campaign.

"Today is a great day for religious liberty," Adele Keim, counsel at The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty which represented Hobby Lobby, told Fox News.

The ruling was one of two final rulings to come down on Monday, as the justices wrapped up their work for the session. The other reined in the ability of unions to collect dues from home health care workers.

Justice Samuel Alito wrote the majority opinion in the ObamaCare case, finding the contraceptive mandate in its current form "unlawful." The court's four liberal justices dissented.

The Obama administration, months ago, already negotiated with religious-based schools, hospitals and other non-profits to reach an accommodation on the issue of contraception coverage. In the wake of Monday's ruling, the question now before the administration is how it might try to accommodate for-profit businesses that claim religious objections while also extending contraceptive coverage to female workers.

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Monday afternoon that the decision "jeopardizes the health of women who are employed by these companies," but said the administration would respect the ruling.

"We will work with Congress to make sure that any women affected by this decision will still have the same coverage of vital health services as everyone else," he said. Earnest did not get into specifics, saying they are still assessing the decision and trying to determine which companies are affected.

Alito suggested two ways the administration could ensure women get the contraception they want. It could pay for pregnancy prevention, he said. Or it could provide the same kind of accommodation made available to non-profits -- by letting the groups' insurers or a third-party administrator take on the responsibility of paying for the birth control.

The court stressed that its ruling applies only to corporations that are under the control of just a few people in which there is no essential difference between the business and its owners.

But Alito held that in the case before the court, the religious objections cited were legally legitimate, under a law that bars the government from taking action in certain cases that "substantially burdens" freedom of religion. He noted that fines for one company could total $475 million per year if they did not comply with the ObamaCare rule.

"If these consequences do not amount to a substantial burden, it is hard to see what would," Alito wrote.

The Supreme Court challenge was brought by Oklahoma City-based Hobby Lobby and a furniture maker in Pennsylvania, Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp. The for-profit businesses challenged the requirement in the Affordable Care Act that employers cover contraception for women at no extra charge among a range of preventive benefits in employee health plans.

It was the first major challenge to ObamaCare to come before the court since the justices upheld the law's individual requirement to buy health insurance two years ago.

Dozens of companies, including Hobby Lobby, claim religious objections to covering some or all contraceptives. The methods and devices at issue before the Supreme Court were those the plaintiffs say can work after conception. They are the emergency contraceptives Plan B and ella, as well as intrauterine devices, which can cost up to $1,000.

The court had never before recognized a for-profit corporation's religious rights under federal law or the Constitution. The companies in this case, and their backers, argued that a 1993 federal law on religious freedom extends to businesses.

The Obama administration had argued that a victory for the companies would prevent women who work for them from making decisions about birth control based on what's best for their health, not whether they can afford it.

Democratic leaders blasted the court's decision on Monday, with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid tweeting: "It's time that five men on the Supreme Court stop deciding what happens to women."

In a dissent she read aloud from the bench, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg called the decision "potentially sweeping" because it minimizes the government's interest in uniform compliance with laws affecting the workplace. "And it discounts the disadvantages religion-based opt outs impose on others, in particular, employees who do not share their employer's religious beliefs," Ginsburg said.

The Obama administration argued earlier this year that the case is not just about birth control, and that a Supreme Court ruling in favor of the businesses could undermine laws governing immunizations, Social Security taxes and minimum wages.

Alito clarified that the decision Monday is limited to contraceptives under the health care law. "Our decision should not be understood to hold that an insurance-coverage mandate must necessarily fall if it conflicts with an employer's religious beliefs," Alito said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/30/supreme-court-hobby-lobby/

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2014, 01:08:05 PM »
Wonder how this might impact upcoming elections by way of affecting the participation and voting of women? 

I'm guessing that Hillary has been thinking about this, too.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2014, 01:19:09 PM »
I think it was straw at 2:07. Could be wrong though......
















...but I doubt it.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2014, 01:20:23 PM »
Embarrassing.



Ah the classic "man on the street" interviewing Obama supporter videos.

Always good for a laugh.  :D

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2014, 01:20:54 PM »

I watched it...interviewing a bunch of morons doesn't sway my opinion. 

Do you understand you agree with those morons? The only difference is you have time to think and type out your answer..lol.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2014, 01:25:03 PM »
Another interesting 5-4 decision by the Supremes that's well-worth a read. For the record, I largely agree with the decision, even if I think that the position of the owners of Hobby Lobby (i.e. that offering insurance to their employees that provides such coverage is tantamount to actually performing an abortion) is stupid.

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2014, 01:46:19 PM »
Do you understand you agree with those morons? The only difference is you have time to think and type out your answer..lol.


No, they are completely wrong about why the law is in place.  Unfortunately, every business can now claim "religious exemption" for anything....minimum wage, social security.  


Unless a business is a church...they should follow the same rules as every other business.  They shouldn't have the right to tell women how to take care of themselves as if it was Sharia Law
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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2014, 01:49:39 PM »

No, they are completely wrong about why the law is in place.  Unfortunately, every business can now claim "religious exemption" for anything....minimum wage, social security.  


Unless a business is a church...they should follow the same rules as every other business.  They shouldn't have the right to tell women how to take care of themselves as if it was Sharia Law

Bad News for Obama is good news for America  ;)

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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2014, 03:44:21 PM »

No, they are completely wrong about why the law is in place.  Unfortunately, every business can now claim "religious exemption" for anything....minimum wage, social security. 


Unless a business is a church...they should follow the same rules as every other business.  They shouldn't have the right to tell women how to take care of themselves as if it was Sharia Law


Settle down drama queen.  This has limited applicability.  It won't apply to all corporations, nor will they able to assert religious beliefs for anything they want.  Read the fucking opinion already...it'll take you a whopping 10 minutes.


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Re: ObamaCare Supporters Explain Hobby Lobby Case
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2014, 03:53:15 PM »
Bad News for Obama is good news for America  ;)

No, bad news for America too

Rather than having a private employer pay a few dollars for contraception now we can all pay more to help support all these unwanted kids.  Also, the insurance companies get to pay a lot more for pre and post natal care and of course health care for all of these kids.

Of course, maybe a black market abortion system will just crop up like is starting to happen in Texas.