Compare Tren to NPP

[Damios]

Nice info from ESF, from my other topic:

guys typically don't use.. well, guys who know better... don't use tren in the 'offseason' because it's difficult to pack on good size with tren the way you can with deca/npp.

after running deca/npp for a few months, you can latterly watch your body change day by day after your first 1 or 2 injections of tren. (that's no gh15 bullshit either).... fuck, you don't even need to pull the deca/npp before you start the tren to see the change either.

'gym rats' who run tren year round generally aren't trying to pack on another 10lbs of muscle twice a year between shows... hence the reason they run tren year round and don't alternate between tren and deca/npp. their only concern is looking lean, hard and separated everyday in the gym and are comfortable with putting on 3-5lbs of bodyweight a year, as opposed to 10-15lbs

What about compare Tren to NPP? The best option for You, from Your experience, for make gains:

1) 500mg Test + 350mg Tren Ace + 350mg NPP
2) 500mg Test + 700mg Tren Ace
3) 500mg Test + 700mg NPP

( Doses are example of course )

[BigRo]

1gm test, 1gm tren,1gm primo,1gm masteron 

[BodyMachine]

1gm test, 1gm tren,1gm primo,1gm masteron 

That will cut you up nicely.

Growth, 2g test, 1g deca

[a_ahmed]

1g deca, 60mg dbol and still on tren = size and gains galore.

I agree tren by itself does not pack on size.

[ESFitness]

Nice info from ESF, from my other topic:

What about compare Tren to NPP? The best option for You, from Your experience, for make gains:

1) 500mg Test + 350mg Tren Ace + 350mg NPP
2) 500mg Test + 700mg Tren Ace
3) 500mg Test + 700mg NPP

( Doses are example of course )

for gains in bw/size? I'd choose test and npp,

then tranisition to a combo of test, npp, and tren

and finnish up with test and tren

then just test for a 3-6 weeks

then do it all over again.

if you wanna keep it simple and cheap, you can just run test at 500, npp at 500 and add in 50mg tren 3x a week

[Damios]

for gains in bw/size? I'd choose test and npp,

then tranisition to a combo of test, npp, and tren

and finnish up with test and tren

then just test for a 3-6 weeks

then do it all over again.

if you wanna keep it simple and cheap, you can just run test at 500, npp at 500 and add in 50mg tren 3x a week

Gains... i mean lean body mass = % of muscle gain without fat and water retention

When we put this same training, diet, regeneration ( sleep time etc. ) and of course; this same person, in theory option 3rd can be the best. I mean Tren on paper is the strongest ( A:A ratio, IGF-1 level up, food utilization etc. etc. ). But you know, we talk about practice, but i think it's hard to beat Tren in dose 1:1, i'm asking becouse here is a lot of more experience Guys from practice, not theory

[ESFitness]

Gains... i mean lean body mass = % of muscle gain without fat and water retention

When we put this same training, diet, regeneration ( sleep time etc. ) and of course; this same person, in theory option 3rd can be the best. I mean Tren on paper is the strongest ( A:A ratio, IGF-1 level up, food utilization etc. etc. ). But you know, we talk about practice, but i think it's hard to beat Tren in dose 1:1, i'm asking becouse here is a lot of more experience Guys from practice, not theory

in practice, tren will give a a leaner, harder look. you'll be full and hard and strong, but you won't put on much bodyweight or overall size.. in fact, you may lose size (your clothes will be looser).

[Damios]

So i need to choose

1) 250-500mg Test C + 500mg NPP + 300mg Tren A

2) 250-500mg Test C + 300mg NPP + 500mg Tren A


I'm after 6 weeks cut on 500mg Test C + 700mg Tren A + 50mg Wins and now i need to add muscle with calorie surplus

[f450]

So i need to choose

1) 250-500mg Test C + 500mg NPP + 300mg Tren A

2) 250-500mg Test C + 300mg NPP + 500mg Tren A


I'm after 6 weeks cut on 500mg Test C + 700mg Tren A + 50mg Wins and now i need to add muscle with calorie surplus

Test 250-500 and NPP 500-700 leave the tren for the cut.

[Damios]

The shortest time to take NPP? 6 weeks is enough or i need more to see full of benefits?

[ESFitness]

The shortest time to take NPP? 6 weeks is enough or i need more to see full of benefits?

6 should be fine, I belive I start to see diminishing returns at 6-8, but i'll still go 10 anyways.

[local hero]

tren has no comparison to NPP, tren is the ultimate bodybuilding drug.......

[Dago_Joe]

tren has no comparison to NPP, tren is the ultimate bodybuilding drug.......

I agree.  Too bad i cannot fucking tolerate it at any effective dosage.  It makes my sleep apnea unbearable even with my cpap machine.  And the anxiety and trensomnia kills me.  That being said, if i could tolerate it, i would use tons of it.  no other drug gives the same results in muscle tissue, none.