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Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« on: April 01, 2014, 10:45:24 AM »

Conservative intellectuals are warning Republicans that their enduring push to repeal Obamacare could come back to haunt them.


As insurance sign-ups on the Obamacare exchanges surged past 6 million and neared 7 million at the closing of its first open enrollment period Monday night, some conservative policy wonks called on GOP lawmakers to accept that the dream of fully repealing the law had faded.

"[W]e do know that there won’t be an immediate political unraveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale, that a large constituency will be served by Obamacare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Obamacare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Conservative health care consultant Avik Roy argued in a blog post Saturday that the new enrollment statistics, limited as they are, suggest that there won't be a "death spiral" of rising costs and fewer insured, and that "there are enough healthy people who benefit from Obamacare's subsidy scheme that it won’t be a complete disaster on this front."

Roy, who has long been warning that repeal without an alternative is untenable, again cautioned of political and substantive problems with the Republican party's headlong pursuit of eliminating the health care law without coalescing around solutions of their own.

"Thus far, we've seen precious little from the GOP on this front," Roy wrote. "And that's why, for all of Obamacare's problems, polls routinely show that Americans still trust Democrats more than they trust Republicans on health care policy. Whatever happens in 2014, that should be a red flag for conservative triumphalists."

Bill Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, voiced concern that a GOP message of "repeal" and a Democratic message of "keep and fix" could "neutralize the issue" in the 2014 mid-term elections. He also said the benefits can't simply be taken away.

"If Republicans run on repeal and replace or really let's say replace and repeal, it has to be done at once. You can't just throw people out," he said on Fox News Sunday. "But we are going to give you tax credits, we're going to take care of preexisting conditions as part of the repeal, then the polling shows that becomes very, very popular."

There's also concern about an party-wide overemphasis on Obamacare.





The Republican party's lack of an alternative was highlighted Monday on Fox News, when host Jenna Lee grilled Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) about why his party still hasn't settled on a plan. He dodged, and she pressed.

For now, though, Republican leaders are staying the course. They remain dedicated to wiping Obamacare off the books, although they still can't decide what they'd put in its place.

"The president's health care law continues to wreak havoc on American families, small businesses and our economy," Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said in a statement Monday. "House Republicans will continue to work to repeal this law and protect families and small businesses from its harmful consequences."

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2014, 11:04:11 AM »
Tell that to David Jolly in Florida. He ran on ObamaCare repeal and WON, despite being grossly outspent and a 3rd-party "libertarian" in the mix.

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2014, 11:42:25 AM »
LOL!!!

Democrats are hoping that Republicans don't run against crapcare.

Crapcare is a failure. The article posted is based on flawed logic.

Democrats will pay even more IF the real unaffordable crap care numbers ever come out.

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2014, 11:46:26 AM »
LOL!!!

Democrats are hoping that Republicans don't run against crapcare.

Crapcare is a failure. The article posted is based on flawed logic.

Democrats will pay even more IF the real unaffordable crap care numbers ever come out.

Benghazi! Benghazi! Death spiral, cook-the-books...

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2014, 11:48:37 AM »
Benghazi! Benghazi! Death spiral, cook-the-books...


Jolly did the very thing this article said not to do and WON. So, where's the crying, here?

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 11:53:28 AM »
LOL!!!

Democrats are hoping that Republicans don't run against crapcare.

Crapcare is a failure. The article posted is based on flawed logic.

Democrats will pay even more IF the real unaffordable crap care numbers ever come out.

and what are the numbers give a link not just your lying word  :D

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2014, 11:55:50 AM »
Jolly did the very thing this article said not to do and WON. So, where's the crying, here?

HEHEEHE!!

Have you noticed how democrats, libtards and their mothers are always giving the GOP advice on what issues to avoid come election time?

Listening to them or reading their suggestions would almost make you think that they want the GOP to win!

Do they want the GOP to win? Doubt it.

So when a libtard posts an article like this, or the supposed "establishment" tells candidates to avoid certain issues, you know that the opposite has to be done in order to have a chance at winning.


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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2014, 12:06:31 PM »
Conservative intellectuals are warning Republicans that their enduring push to repeal Obamacare could come back to haunt them.


As insurance sign-ups on the Obamacare exchanges surged past 6 million and neared 7 million at the closing of its first open enrollment period Monday night, some conservative policy wonks called on GOP lawmakers to accept that the dream of fully repealing the law had faded.

"[W]e do know that there won’t be an immediate political unraveling," wrote Ross Douthat, a columnist for the New York Times. "And knowing that much has significant implications for our politics. It means that the kind of welfare-state embedding ... is taking place on a significant scale, that a large constituency will be served by Obamacare (through Medicaid as well as the exchanges) in 2016 and beyond, and that any kind of conservative alternative will have to confront the reality that the kind of tinkering-around-the-edges alternatives to Obamacare that many Republicans have supported to date would end up stripping coverage from millions of newly-insured Americans."

Conservative health care consultant Avik Roy argued in a blog post Saturday that the new enrollment statistics, limited as they are, suggest that there won't be a "death spiral" of rising costs and fewer insured, and that "there are enough healthy people who benefit from Obamacare's subsidy scheme that it won’t be a complete disaster on this front."

Roy, who has long been warning that repeal without an alternative is untenable, again cautioned of political and substantive problems with the Republican party's headlong pursuit of eliminating the health care law without coalescing around solutions of their own.

"Thus far, we've seen precious little from the GOP on this front," Roy wrote. "And that's why, for all of Obamacare's problems, polls routinely show that Americans still trust Democrats more than they trust Republicans on health care policy. Whatever happens in 2014, that should be a red flag for conservative triumphalists."

Bill Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, voiced concern that a GOP message of "repeal" and a Democratic message of "keep and fix" could "neutralize the issue" in the 2014 mid-term elections. He also said the benefits can't simply be taken away.

"If Republicans run on repeal and replace or really let's say replace and repeal, it has to be done at once. You can't just throw people out," he said on Fox News Sunday. "But we are going to give you tax credits, we're going to take care of preexisting conditions as part of the repeal, then the polling shows that becomes very, very popular."

There's also concern about an party-wide overemphasis on Obamacare.





The Republican party's lack of an alternative was highlighted Monday on Fox News, when host Jenna Lee grilled Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) about why his party still hasn't settled on a plan. He dodged, and she pressed.

For now, though, Republican leaders are staying the course. They remain dedicated to wiping Obamacare off the books, although they still can't decide what they'd put in its place.

"The president's health care law continues to wreak havoc on American families, small businesses and our economy," Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said in a statement Monday. "House Republicans will continue to work to repeal this law and protect families and small businesses from its harmful consequences."


blacken700, please provide a link!

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2014, 12:12:39 PM »
HEHEEHE!!

Have you noticed how democrats, libtards and their mothers are always giving the GOP advice on what issues to avoid come election time?

Listening to them or reading their suggestions would almost make you think that they want the GOP to win!

Do they want the GOP to win? Doubt it.

So when a libtard posts an article like this, or the supposed "establishment" tells candidates to avoid certain issues, you know that the opposite has to be done in order to have a chance at winning.



those are conservatives in the article, dummy :D

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2014, 12:13:17 PM »
HEHEEHE!!

Have you noticed how democrats, libtards and their mothers are always giving the GOP advice on what issues to avoid come election time?

Listening to them or reading their suggestions would almost make you think that they want the GOP to win!

Do they want the GOP to win? Doubt it.

So when a libtard posts an article like this, or the supposed "establishment" tells candidates to avoid certain issues, you know that the opposite has to be done in order to have a chance at winning.



The establishment RINOs were already telling Jolly this. And when it looks as if he was about to lose, they were all prepared to either skewer him or distance themselves from him, blasting his campaign and hardly giving him a dime.

Yet, he still WON, doing the very thing they told him not to do.

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2014, 12:15:13 PM »
those are conservatives in the article, dummy :D

And where is the evidence that the GOP can't win, running against ObamaCare?


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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2014, 12:16:32 PM »
I really think they're talking as aca grows in the coming months

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2014, 12:57:22 PM »
HHEHEHE!!

Anyone that believes that as crapcare "grows" it's going to somehow get better or that somehow the fundamentals will change obviously doesn't understand that the problem goes far beyond a faulty website and enrollment numbers.

This is the problem with liberals. HEHEHEHEH! I almost feel sorry for them.

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2014, 02:39:07 PM »
I really think they're talking as aca grows in the coming months

Grows? The deadline was pushed back multiple times, when it became apparent the Dems would get nowhere near what they projected. Plus, there's still the matter of how many of these are new signups vs. those who simply got their old policies (plus a bunch of crap they don't need) back, at higher prices.

And, of course, there's still the issue of how many people have actually paid for it. "Sign-up" is a floating term for the left; simply visiting the site is a sign-up; putting something in the cart but not paying for it is a sign-up, etc.

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2014, 02:43:20 PM »
it's here to stay, they we make some changes but it's here,so the cry fest might as well stop ;D

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2014, 02:48:54 PM »
it's here to stay, they we make some changes but it's here,so the cry fest might as well stop ;D

What cryfest? It's more of a laughfest, as the libs actually expect us to believe their numbers now after all the lying and book-cooking they've done to this point. This PR-fest we saw coming a mile away. But, the reality of how absymal this law is hardly has changed.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be putting up threads like this. It's not as if you're concerned about the political fortunes of conservatives/GOP.

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2014, 02:51:12 PM »
you, the bigot, bag of rocks guy are crying about this ,time to get over it ;D

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2014, 02:54:08 PM »
you, the bigot, bag of rocks guy are crying about this ,time to get over it ;D

Hardly!! It's more of a chuckle, especially since (as stated earlier) this was as predictable as a Monday is long.

And, if repealing ObamaCare were so dangerous, David Jolly wouldn't have won a race in which he was supposed to get creamed, especially with his opponent running on the so-called wonders of ObamaCare, with far more cash and Biden and Slick Willie campaigning for her.

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2014, 02:55:09 PM »
you, the bigot, bag of rocks guy are crying about this ,time to get over it ;D

Obama needs obamacare to pay for a reverse of mobaccas sex change operation.   :D

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 06:29:02 AM »
Obama needs obamacare to pay for a reverse of mobaccas sex change operation.   :D

I thought Wookies was trans-gender ???

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Re: Conservative Wonks Warn GOP: Obamacare Repeal Is Dangerous
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2014, 07:12:34 AM »
 :D :D :D