Steroid Myths #1... all u gotta do is take more and you'll be a freak.

[The True Adonis]

I like No One alot actually.  He does not lie about lifting and he is in it for life, like I am.  No matter what, we will always do this.  He one way, I another, but the the weights will always be lifted come hell or high water.

[Simple Simon]

Brutal reality check. You call yourself a bodybuilder "no one" ?  There are amateur level female competitors who exemplify the word "bodybuilder" better than you can ever dream of.

But hey, keep pretending to be a guru... and impressing a few fellow "no ones" and "no bodies" around here. Just remember you're nothing in the world of bodybuilding. You literally are a no one.


Hope this helps.

You're over egging the pudding now, time to reel it in a bit.

[ESFitness]

this thread has turned out to prove my point...

the misconception that more steroids = "you must be a big freak"

or

"if you used as much as you, I'd be fucking HooooUUggge brah!"

typical.

[phreak]

this thread has turned out to prove my point...

the misconception that more steroids = "you must be a big freak"

or

"if you used as much as you, I'd be fucking HooooUUggge brah!"

typical.

So... you are saying you have such poor aptitude for building muscle that you need to megadose on everything under the sun, just to reach 'not even huge' status?

[ESFitness]

So... you are saying you have such poor aptitude for building muscle that you need to megadose on everything under the sun, just to reach 'not even huge' status?

I'm saying you can take all the drugs you can fit in a syringe and train 100%, but if you're not taking in enough kcals, of the right kcals, in the proper amounts, at the proper times, you're not gonna be "enormous" like the common misconception.

how many of you people started out taking steroids and put on the first 30lbs, or 20lbs, and thought "wow, if only I could take MORE, I'd be a Pro in no time!"

doesn't work that way.

I can maintain the same bodyweight/size at 1g/wk as I do on 6g/wk... the quality/muscularity is all that changes... with the same 'diet'.

[Simple Simon]

this thread has turned out to prove my point...

the misconception that more steroids = "you must be a big freak"

or

"if you used as much as you, I'd be fucking HooooUUggge brah!"

typical.

So your point is high dosage plus diet equals mass
I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

I await your pictoral evidence with great enthusiasm.

PS, WHILE YOU ARE ON , HOW MANY CALS ABOVE MAINTAINANCE DO YOU NEED TO GAIN MUSCLE SIZE.

[ESFitness]

So your point is high dosage plus diet equals mass
I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

I await your pictoral evidence with great enthusiasm.

PS, WHILE YOU ARE ON , HOW MANY CALS ABOVE MAINTAINANCE DO YOU NEED TO GAIN MUSCLE SIZE.

keep waiting. I could care less about the approval of people who don't mean shit to my REAL LIFE.

how many kcals? depends on the person. won't give a general, blanket answer so you can turn it around and start some more bullshit.

[Bevo]

I suppose if u got the right genetics as in response u wouldn't have to dose on 4-6 grams but then again this is modern competitive bbing we are talking about

More or less as all relative , gym rat dosages , amateur/pros all vary

[Bevo]

No one has a awesome everyday physique

I'm 6'2 as well but no where near the conditioning , I started as a skinny kid at 170/175

[ProudVirgin69]

keep waiting. I could care less about the approval of people who don't mean shit to my REAL LIFE.

how many kcals? depends on the person. won't give a general, blanket answer so you can turn it around and start some more bullshit.

Well if you make a claim or assertion, it's good form to provide pictoral evidence to support your claims.  Sure, you might say that you don't care about proving anything to us, but then why make the thread?

[ESFitness]

Well if you make a claim or assertion, it's good form to provide pictoral evidence to support your claims.  Sure, you might say that you don't care about proving anything to us, but then why make the thread?

pictoral evidence of what?

you're missing the point.

misconceptions and perpetuating bro-science and ignorance regarding steroids.

I hear at least 3 people a week saying "if I used steroids, dude, I'd be huge"... young punk kids as well as grown men 50yrs old.. professionals and business owners... all delusional.

my offer to them is this: i'll give you as much steroids as I use for 6 months, if you look like I do at the end of 6 months, the gear's yours free.. if not, you pay double. not a single person wants to put their money where their mouth is.

[ProudVirgin69]

pictoral evidence of what?

you're missing the point.

misconceptions and perpetuating bro-science and ignorance regarding steroids.

I hear at least 3 people a week saying "if I used steroids, dude, I'd be huge"... young punk kids as well as grown men 50yrs old.. professionals and business owners... all delusional.

my offer to them is this: i'll give you as much steroids as I use for 6 months, if you look like I do at the end of 6 months, the gear's yours free.. if not, you pay double. not a single person wants to put their money where their mouth is.

I agree with this statement.

But I wouldn't agree that food is the limiting factor when it comes to size, so long as you get enough--4-5000 calories TOPS and 300g protein or so.  And I've talked to big guys getting around 3000 calories

Honestly I think TIME is what makes freaks....stay on a good sized dose for 5 years with halfway decent fiet/training and you'll be pretty damn big

[Melkor]

I thought this was common sense/common knowledge.

juice+excess calories = build muscle

juice+caloric surplus = lose fat retain muscle

To what extent is this true? I know that many probodybuilders have "pre-contest cutting diets" with 3000 - 4000 calories a day and continue to lose fat but I always assumed this was more to do with GH and cutting drugs like clenbuterol.

[Simple Simon]

misconceptions and perpetuating bro-science and ignorance regarding steroids.

I hear at least 3 people a week saying "if I used steroids, dude, I'd be huge"... young punk kids as well as grown men 50yrs old.. professionals and business owners... all delusional.

And I see people writing you have to eat boatloads of food if you want to get huge.
Isnt that just your broscience?

Long term use on moderate calories and adequate protein will do it.
Zack Khan eats around 4,000 cals a day.

As for the idiocy of giving people the same dosage as you and not looking the same.
Myself and no one look way better than you on much less.

Go figure.

[Melkor]

haha shit I was hoping 'smallcox' was going to keep on embarassing himself further.

so now that it's here to make a point, that was 750mg a week injectible, 40mg Ed var, 4iu hyge 5x a week and 1200cals a day. 235 pounds.

given superstar ESFitness posts that's 1/6th his anabolics intake, no insulin, and a fraction of the gh. oh and a 1/5 of the cals.

I want to see what all that looks like. I can't even begin to imagine it.

in esfitnness' case the emptiest drum makes the most noise > in my experience if a guys a know it all, chances are he looks like shit.

Forgive my ignorance but thinking logically, that kind of information blows my mind. Is this seemingly inexplicable phenomenon mostly due to the hygetropin?

[Wolfox]

Forgive my ignorance but thinking logically, that kind of information blows my mind. Is this seemingly inexplicable phenomenon mostly due to the hygetropin?

Its called metabolic damage/adaptation from years of starvation dieting.

Now he has a super slow metabolism.  

[Simple Simon]

Its called metabolic damage/adaptation from years of starvation dieting.  

Now he has a super slow metabolism. 

and a world class physique.

[bigmc]

No One has a damn solid physique and good lines.  Anyone saying otherwise is doing so because they don`t like him. 

I have to agree

guy looks great

anyone hating on his physique just looks bitter and jealous

[Wolfox]

Its called metabolic damage/adaptation from years of starvation dieting.

Now he has a super slow metabolism.  

Forgot to say its not unheard of with chronic ultra low carbers who use a psmf. Just check out the no one/ galeniko method for tips.

Kinda sad when a grown muscular 230lb man fucks up his metabolism so bad that a teenage girl has higher maintenance cals.

[Simple Simon]

Forgot to say its not unheard of with chronic ultra low carbers who use a psmf. Just check out the no one/ galeniko method for tips.

Kinda sad when a grown muscular 230lb man fucks up his metabolism so bad that a teenage girl has higher maintenance cals.

So he has a slow metabolism, so what?

[monstermunch]

ESFitness so for an ecto that remains pretty lean...eating around or slightly above maintenance calories is a waste of time in your opinion?

How far would you up it!

[visualizeperfection]

ESFitness so for an ecto that remains pretty lean...eating around or slightly above maintenance calories is a waste of time in your opinion?

How far would you up it!

I think you misread the majority of this topic.

[_aj_]

Lots of broscience out there. I think that in any individual, YMMV. I am trying to figure out what works for me, not what worked for Zack Khan or even no one or UKJeff (though I would kill for either of those physiques).

For now, I want to gain some muscle while not turning into a bloated fatass, so I am trying to stay 300-500 cals above my perception of "maintenance"

Since I don't want to walk around with a scale. I am ball parking it. I will fail on this, but the nature of my failure will help me to understand the path of righteousness.

[Simple Simon]

For now, I want to gain some muscle while not turning into a bloated fatass, so I am trying to stay 300-500 cals above my perception of "maintenance"

Muscle is built by amino acids, not excess calories   

[visualizeperfection]

Muscle is built by amino acids, not excess calories   

Do you supplement your aminos? xtend or something?