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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2014, 12:13:59 PM »
The club owner was 100% responsible. I hope he was criminally charged!

Not that Wikipedia is the most reliable source but the website claims that Great White donated 1 million of their own money to the victims and survivors families.

As far as the owner, who knows what happened to him. That video showing the testimonials of the survivors is gut-wrenching.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2014, 12:15:00 PM »
Among my least favorites.

Same. Tired ol' 'rock and roll'.
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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2014, 12:17:35 PM »
The club owner was 100% responsible. I hope he was criminally charged!

He did three years. GW's tour manager, who activated the pyro, did two.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2014, 12:18:40 PM »
Same. Tired ol' 'rock and roll'.

So many better songs, the debut is stacked with 'em.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2014, 12:27:05 PM »
Not that Wikipedia is the most reliable source but the website claims that Great White donated 1 million of their own money to the victims and survivors families.

As far as the owner, who knows what happened to him. That video showing the testimonials of the survivors is gut-wrenching.

I know everyone wants to find a villain when bad shit happens, but the bouncer who blocked the "band only" exit, costing many their lives, must really be carrying some righteous guilt. His wife also perished, btw.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2014, 12:33:52 PM »
Its a horrible accident but unfortunately, someone has to be held accountable whether its the club owner, the band's manager, or that bouncer.


I can't imagine the level of sheer panic with all of those people standing shoulder to shoulder scrambling to exit the building.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2014, 12:37:51 PM »
Its a horrible accident but unfortunately, someone has to be held accountable whether its the club owner, the band's manager, or that bouncer.


I can't imagine the level of sheer panic with all of those people standing shoulder to shoulder scrambling to exit the building.

Unimaginable. I'd like to think that some/most we're overcome by smoke first.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2014, 12:40:14 PM »
Absolutely horrific and unnecessary loss of life! The club owner should be charged with 100 counts of 2nd degree murder!


Not only the club owners but A lot of people to blame really Back then most clubs would have same situation: no sprinklers, exit doors close to avoid people from sneaking in without paying, overcrowded venues etc  and then a big sign on the wall that said 'This place has completed inspection safety"




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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2014, 12:43:32 PM »


The first criminal trial was against Great White's tour manager at the time, Daniel Michel Biechele, 29, from Orlando, Florida. This trial was scheduled to start May 1, 2006, but Biechele, against his lawyers' advice,[17] pled guilty to 100 counts of involuntary manslaughter on February 7, 2006, in what he said was an effort to "bring peace, I want this to be over with."[17]
Biechele sentencing

On May 10, 2006, State Prosecutor Randall White asked to sentence Biechele to 10 years in prison, the maximum allowed under the plea bargain, citing the massive loss of life in The Station fire and the need to send a message.[17] Speaking to the public for the first time since the fire, Biechele appeared remorseful during his sentencing. Choking back tears, he made a statement to the court and to the families of the victims.

    Biechele's statement to the court
    “    For three years, I've wanted to be able to speak to the people that were affected by this tragedy, but I know that there's nothing that I can say or do that will undo what happened that night.

    Since the fire, I have wanted to tell the victims and their families how truly sorry I am for what happened that night and the part that I had in it. I never wanted anyone to be hurt in any way. I never imagined that anyone ever would be.

    I know how this tragedy has devastated me, but I can only begin to understand what the people who lost loved ones have endured. I don't know that I'll never forgive myself for what happened that night, so I can't expect anybody else to.

    I can only pray that they understand that I would do anything to undo what happened that night and give them back their loved ones.

    I'm so sorry for what I have done, and I don't want to cause anyone any more pain.

    I will never forget that night, and I will never forget the people that were hurt by it.

    I am so sorry.
       ”

Superior Court Judge Francis J. Darigan sentenced Biechele to 15 years in prison, with four to serve and 11 years suspended, plus three years' probation, for his role in the fire.[18] Darigan remarked, "The greatest sentence that can be imposed on you has been imposed on you by yourself." Under this sentence, with good behavior, Biechele would be eligible for parole in September 2007. Judge Darigan deemed Biechele highly unlikely to re-offend, which was among the mitigating factors that led to his decision to impose this sentence.

The sentence drew mixed reactions in the courtroom. Many of the families believed that the punishment was just; others had hoped for a more severe sentence.
Biechele's parole supported by families of victims

On September 4, 2007, some families of the fire's victims expressed their support for Biechele's parole.

Leland Hoisington, whose 28-year-old daughter, Abbie, was killed in the fire, told reporters, "I think they should not even bother with a hearing—just let Biechele out... I just don't find him as guilty of anything." The state parole board received approximately 20 letters, the majority of which expressed their sympathy and support for Biechele, some going as far as to describe him as a "scapegoat" with limited responsibility.

Board chairwoman Lisa Holley told journalists of her surprise at the forgiving attitude of the families, saying, "I think the most overwhelming part of it for me was the depth of forgiveness of many of these families that have sustained such a loss."

Dave Kane and Joanne O'Neill, parents of youngest victim Nicholas O'Neill, released their letter to the board to reporters. "In the period following this tragedy, it was Mr. Biechele, alone, who stood up and admitted responsibility for his part in this horrible event... He apologized to the families of the victims and made no attempt to mitigate his guilt," the letter said.

Others pointed out that Biechele had sent handwritten letters to the families of each of the 100 victims and that he had a work release position in a local charity.

On September 19, 2007, the Rhode Island Parole Board announced that Biechele would be released in March 2008.

Biechele was released from prison on March 19, 2008. As reported by the Associated Press, he did not answer any questions and was quickly whisked away in a waiting car.
Nightclub owners' trial

Following Biechele's trial, the Station's owners, Michael and Jeffrey Derderian, were scheduled to receive separate trials. However, on September 21, 2006, Superior Court Judge Francis J. Darigan announced that the brothers had changed their pleas from "not guilty" to "no contest," thereby avoiding a trial.[19] Michael Derderian received 15 years in prison, with four to serve and 11 years suspended, plus three years' probation—the same sentence as Biechele. Jeffrey Derderian received a 10-year suspended sentence, three years' probation, and 500 hours of community service.

In a letter to the victims' families,[20] Judge Darigan said that a trial "would only serve to further traumatize and victimize not only the loved ones of the deceased and the survivors of this fire, but the general public as well." He added that the difference in the brothers' sentences reflected their respective involvement with the purchase and installation of the flammable foam.

Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick C. Lynch objected strenuously to the plea bargain, saying that both brothers should have received jail time and that Michael Derderian should have received more time than Biechele.[19]

In January 2008, the Parole Board decided to grant Michael Derderian an early release; he was scheduled to be released from prison in September 2009, but was granted his release in June 2009 for good behavior.[21]
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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2014, 01:00:54 PM »
So the band's manager gets a little over a year in jail after an early parole because of involuntary manslaughter? But it isn't clarified as to what he did wrong??

Is it because he asked the club owner to use pyro for the band's performance? Is that what he was found guilty of? Someone posted earlier that the club owner got 3 years? Isn't he to blame moreso for allowing the pyro with no sprinkler system in place?


Confusing. It seems that most of the victims families were forgiving to the situation and chalking this up as a horrible accident.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2014, 01:01:17 PM »

The first criminal trial was against Great White's tour manager at the time, Daniel Michel Biechele, 29, from Orlando, Florida. This trial was scheduled to start May 1, 2006, but Biechele, against his lawyers' advice,[17] pled guilty to 100 counts of involuntary manslaughter on February 7, 2006, in what he said was an effort to "bring peace, I want this to be over with."[17]
Biechele sentencing

On May 10, 2006, State Prosecutor Randall White asked to sentence Biechele to 10 years in prison, the maximum allowed under the plea bargain, citing the massive loss of life in The Station fire and the need to send a message.[17] Speaking to the public for the first time since the fire, Biechele appeared remorseful during his sentencing. Choking back tears, he made a statement to the court and to the families of the victims.

    Biechele's statement to the court
    “    For three years, I've wanted to be able to speak to the people that were affected by this tragedy, but I know that there's nothing that I can say or do that will undo what happened that night.

    Since the fire, I have wanted to tell the victims and their families how truly sorry I am for what happened that night and the part that I had in it. I never wanted anyone to be hurt in any way. I never imagined that anyone ever would be.

    I know how this tragedy has devastated me, but I can only begin to understand what the people who lost loved ones have endured. I don't know that I'll never forgive myself for what happened that night, so I can't expect anybody else to.

    I can only pray that they understand that I would do anything to undo what happened that night and give them back their loved ones.

    I'm so sorry for what I have done, and I don't want to cause anyone any more pain.

    I will never forget that night, and I will never forget the people that were hurt by it.

    I am so sorry.
       ”

Superior Court Judge Francis J. Darigan sentenced Biechele to 15 years in prison, with four to serve and 11 years suspended, plus three years' probation, for his role in the fire.[18] Darigan remarked, "The greatest sentence that can be imposed on you has been imposed on you by yourself." Under this sentence, with good behavior, Biechele would be eligible for parole in September 2007. Judge Darigan deemed Biechele highly unlikely to re-offend, which was among the mitigating factors that led to his decision to impose this sentence.

The sentence drew mixed reactions in the courtroom. Many of the families believed that the punishment was just; others had hoped for a more severe sentence.
Biechele's parole supported by families of victims

On September 4, 2007, some families of the fire's victims expressed their support for Biechele's parole.

Leland Hoisington, whose 28-year-old daughter, Abbie, was killed in the fire, told reporters, "I think they should not even bother with a hearing—just let Biechele out... I just don't find him as guilty of anything." The state parole board received approximately 20 letters, the majority of which expressed their sympathy and support for Biechele, some going as far as to describe him as a "scapegoat" with limited responsibility.

Board chairwoman Lisa Holley told journalists of her surprise at the forgiving attitude of the families, saying, "I think the most overwhelming part of it for me was the depth of forgiveness of many of these families that have sustained such a loss."

Dave Kane and Joanne O'Neill, parents of youngest victim Nicholas O'Neill, released their letter to the board to reporters. "In the period following this tragedy, it was Mr. Biechele, alone, who stood up and admitted responsibility for his part in this horrible event... He apologized to the families of the victims and made no attempt to mitigate his guilt," the letter said.

Others pointed out that Biechele had sent handwritten letters to the families of each of the 100 victims and that he had a work release position in a local charity.

On September 19, 2007, the Rhode Island Parole Board announced that Biechele would be released in March 2008.

Biechele was released from prison on March 19, 2008. As reported by the Associated Press, he did not answer any questions and was quickly whisked away in a waiting car.
Nightclub owners' trial

Following Biechele's trial, the Station's owners, Michael and Jeffrey Derderian, were scheduled to receive separate trials. However, on September 21, 2006, Superior Court Judge Francis J. Darigan announced that the brothers had changed their pleas from "not guilty" to "no contest," thereby avoiding a trial.[19] Michael Derderian received 15 years in prison, with four to serve and 11 years suspended, plus three years' probation—the same sentence as Biechele. Jeffrey Derderian received a 10-year suspended sentence, three years' probation, and 500 hours of community service.

In a letter to the victims' families,[20] Judge Darigan said that a trial "would only serve to further traumatize and victimize not only the loved ones of the deceased and the survivors of this fire, but the general public as well." He added that the difference in the brothers' sentences reflected their respective involvement with the purchase and installation of the flammable foam.

Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick C. Lynch objected strenuously to the plea bargain, saying that both brothers should have received jail time and that Michael Derderian should have received more time than Biechele.[19]

In January 2008, the Parole Board decided to grant Michael Derderian an early release; he was scheduled to be released from prison in September 2009, but was granted his release in June 2009 for good behavior.[21]

I'm sympathetic toward the tour manager. He was the only one to really stand up and take responsibility.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2014, 01:08:16 PM »
So the band's manager gets a little over a year in jail after an early parole because of involuntary manslaughter? But it isn't clarified as to what he did wrong??

Is it because he asked the club owner to use pyro for the band's performance? Is that what he was found guilty of? Someone posted earlier that the club owner got 3 years? Isn't he to blame moreso for allowing the pyro with no sprinkler system in place?


Confusing. It seems that the victim's families were forgiving to the situation and chalking this up as a horrible accident.

Club owner installed highly flammable acoustic foam and mislead fire inspectors, though I don't know how he got official clearance with no sprinklers. Perhaps they were installed and just not functional. I can only assume he had to give the band an ok on using pyro.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2014, 01:11:04 PM »
I'm sympathetic toward the tour manager. He was the only one to really stand up and take responsibility.

Me too. Even families of the victims wrote to the parole board asking he be paroled.
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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2014, 01:16:58 PM »
Club owner installed highly flammable acoustic foam and mislead fire inspectors, though I don't know how he got official clearance with no sprinklers. Perhaps they were installed and just not functional. I can only assume he had to give the band an ok on using pyro.
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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2014, 01:18:48 PM »
The bouncer that wouldn't let people out of the door reserved for the band, while the fucking roof was on fire, cost a fair few people their lives..
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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2014, 01:31:58 PM »
The bouncer that wouldn't let people out of the door reserved for the band, while the fucking roof was on fire, cost a fair few people their lives..

Lots of YouTube comments crucifying the dude, some by survivors. In all fairness, I'd hope he just didn't realize the severity at the time. However, he did this to several people, and that place was engulfed within minutes, so it is troublesome. Seems he should have realized much sooner.

As I'd mentioned, his wife did die in the fire as well, so his life has probably been miserable since.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2014, 01:35:41 PM »
Lots of YouTube comments crucifying the dude, some by survivors. In all fairness, I'd hope he just didn't realize the severity at the time. However, he did this to several people, and that place was engulfed within minutes, so it is troublesome. Seems he should have realized much sooner.

As I'd mentioned, his wife did die in the fire as well, so his life has probably been miserable since.

I didn't know about his wife. Still, you'd like to think he could make an instant judgement , override his orders, and start letting them out. It contributed to that bottleneck we see on the vid.
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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2014, 01:54:08 PM »
I didn't know about his wife. Still, you'd like to think he could make an instant judgement , overall his orders, and start letting them out. It contributed to that bottleneck we see on the vid.

I know, he fucked up HUGE.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2014, 02:17:34 PM »
The whole idea of using pyro in a small club baffled me from the get-go. I've been to dozens and dozens of shows over the years and I don't ever remember seeing it, not until this video. Only in the big arenas.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2014, 05:30:01 PM »
Worst event in rock n roll history, minus EVH singing on that shitty Cherone album.

HOLY SHIT that is awful, isn't it? Edward-o needs to forever put a sock in it.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2014, 05:33:48 PM »
Watching this really drives home just how heroic and brave firefighters and emergency medics are. This kind of situation causes every human instinct you have to tell you to get to safety and worry about yourself yet around the 6 minute mark firefighters are tackling this blaze head on. Its depressing that they receive so little adoration and attention compared to talentless celebrities and corrupt politicians.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2014, 05:55:09 PM »
People make mistakes ... and some of them are big ones.

However, whoever thinks it's EVER a good idea to use pyro in a small club hasn't thought things through. I mean, look at those sparkler things blazing away behind the band! Flames and sparks hitting shit all over the place. It would have been amazing had something NOT been set on fire.

Bloody 'ell.

Check out the camera guy's footage when he walks around to the side door. That smoke inside the immediate hallway is THICK and extremely menacing. How long can a person inhale that toxic/heated soup before it's lights out, ya know?! NOT LONG.

What a total disaster. Just some folks going out for a night of rocking and ... this.

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2014, 05:56:33 PM »
Club owner installed highly flammable acoustic foam and mislead fire inspectors, though I don't know how he got official clearance with no sprinklers. Perhaps they were installed and just not functional. I can only assume he had to give the band an ok on using pyro.


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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2014, 06:27:38 PM »
The doc with the survivors is gut-wrenching. Like I say, I come from that world (GIGANTIC music/rock fan), and that something so horrific can be equated with the world I love is very upsetting.

Even just watching the video footage, I feel extremely troubled. Like, This shouldn't be happening.

My heartfelt feelings for all those lost and the survivors (and their families, of course).  

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Re: Great White: The Station Fire
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2014, 06:37:44 PM »
I felt the same way watching the footage of the fire and the 7 part documentary. I certainly hope no one uses pyro in small clubs with no sprinkler systems, fire extinguishers etc in 2014 in the U.S.