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« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2014, 09:48:04 AM »
I`ll have to call bullshit on this one bro.


Holy shit, can you imagine how fucking retarded bodybuilding would be if all the top pros had to be on dialysis to compensate for their gear usage!? It's almost stupid enough to believe!

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« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2014, 09:51:16 AM »
I`ll have to call bullshit on this one bro.


Dosnt bother me,its just a convo i had earlier with them.one of them is still a fucking monster now 45, had one heart attack,the other looks athletic as he dosnt juice anymore. They have been in the game awhile, the later owns a supplement company .

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« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2014, 09:52:11 AM »
Holy shit, can you imagine how fucking retarded bodybuilding would be if all the top pros had to be on dialysis to compensate for their gear usage!? It's almost stupid enough to believe!

the ones that do are healthy and dont die young basically. Only the top top .

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« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2014, 09:55:19 AM »
Dosnt bother me,its just a convo i had earlier with them.one of them is still a fucking monster now 45, had one heart attack,the other looks athletic as he dosnt juice anymore. They have been in the game awhile, the later owns a supplement company .



There used to be rumours about Gaspari walking around his house hooked up to an IV of steroids.

'Dialysis' , you idiot.

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« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2014, 09:56:11 AM »
so when im not making a fool of people on here i actually do help a lot of people thru pm. i get asked a lot for my thoughts on these 3 things. so im going to put them all down here. hopefully it can help someone better themselves.

so, i get asked a lot what do you recommend for me to do regarding..., or what should i take, how many grams of carbs should i eat. all that.

my thoughts revolve around and pertain to building a balanced physique that holds quality muscle that can be maintained well into your 40's. why 40's? cause if you truly love doing this your going to be doing this for a long time. a physique that is respectably bigger than most guys who train, but still isnt so big that you are shunned by the general public. something that someone would look at and say 'shit, id like to look like that one day'. something admirable. not a sideshow.

im not saying that being a bber isnt cool- to each their own. i think you can achieve any look that you want your body to have. but for me, as i got older i realised all that being that big does is screams insecurity issues and attract guys. thats it. why the fuck would i want that?

so, how do you build the perfect physique- perfect for yourself- not perfect for what others thinks is perfect? cause at the end of the day this should be about you, not wanting to build something for someone else.

HOW TALL ARE YOU?

the first thing is you have to take your height into consideration. typically the taller you are, the more lean tissue you are going to have to hold to look feasibly respectable. for me at my height- 6'2, id say the upper limit of what i would find balanced without going over board would be 230. anymore than that and your getting 'too big'. i dont want to be 'too big' anymore. thats 230 and 5-6%. i'll get to bodyfat next. so, if your a short guy, you'll have to be conscious of how big your getting, cause you'll honestly hit 'that point' a lot sooner than us tall guys. its a bitch being tall. what can i say. ya its great in that being tall = respect, but its very hard to fill out a tall frame properly.

DONT GET FAT

typically you'll never want to get over 8% bf. why? exactly- what the fuck for? it serves no purpose whatsoever and makes the fat harder to get off later on. i have found the leaner i am, the more energy i have, the more efficient i become a burning cals, the better i feel mentally and physically. i came to realise that for myself, that overeating is a depressant- it actually causes a chemical reaction in me whos symptoms are eerily similar to depression. i become withdrawn, lazy, unmotivated, listless- all kinds of downside. thats just not cool. if you find you go thru swings in your mood, take a closer look at your diet, specifically your cal and sugar intake the day before. i can almost guarantee you'll find a direct correlation. so stay lean. theres no reason to get fat. which leads to my next thing- eating big to get big.

EAT BIG TO GET BIG

this is one thing i wish would die a slow painful fucking death- you have to eat big to get big. really? what the fuck for? what builds lean tissue? carbs? fats? no- protein. what are carbs and fats then. they are energy sources. so, why the fuck would anyone take in more fats or carbs than they need to meet their energy requirements? oh cause you need to eat big to get big? really. no you eat big to get fat. take in enough protein to keep your body repairing and growing and enough fats and carbs to give you the energy you need to get thru your day. YOU DO NOT NEED A CALORIE SURPLUS TO CREATE LEAN TISSUE. you can create tissue in a deficit. so why the fuck would you think you need to eat big to get big. stimulus+anabolics+ample protein= growth. end of fucking story.

TRAINING

i've done it all. what works for me is strictly instinctual training sessions. i know what im going to train that day, i dont know the exercises the rep ranges the number of sets it all goes by feel. the one constant is that i always train to failure. i always use as much weight as i can properly managed to get a good rep range in, and i always listen to my body- if im not feeling a particular exercise that day WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO IT- so i can feel my joints work? if you cant feel what your doing, drop the weight, or find a different exercise. leave the ego at home. nobody cares what your lifting bro, and if they do they are a pimply faced kid of 17. who gives a fuck what he thinks.

i never rest between sets. what i have come to find interestingly enough is that my pace slows down as my muscle fatigues, so by the end of my workout when i find myself sitting on the bench getting ready for my next set, its time to pack it in. im tired and my muscle is fried. why train a fried muscle? get in and get out. my workouts dont last longer than 30min typically. why only 30 min? cause i hit my whole body 3 times in 8 days. i dont need to be in the gym for an hour.in fact given the way i train its counterproductive. stimulate growth, dont smash it cause your going to be hitting it again in 48 hrs.

i believe in frequency over heavier weights. some guys will pound the fuck out of that muscle group with big weight, then not train it for a week. i'll run the pump, train it 3 times in a week. thats 3 times your initiating growth. works for me. if your not getting the gains you expect to get get off your ass and start hitting everything every 48 hrs. yes your going to be sore. your body will adapt. its a remarkable mechanism. with that adaptation comes growth. look at people who perform repetitive movements every day on a job that requires the use of a particular muscle group. its developed way more than the rest of their body. so much for over training.

ANABOLICS

if you can afford gh use it. you wont need more than 4-5 iu a day. i like hyges. imo they are the best of the chinese generics. the truth of it is, the more you use, the bigger you'll get. i dont believe in being a kamikaze. i dont believe in using big gram cycles. why? whats going to happen when you go off if you havent built up to that dosage? not even go off, what going to happen when you drop the dose to a bridge? welcome to shrinksville, population : you. how do you avoid this- easy. use only enough to keep your body growing. thats it. the slower the gains, the more quality they are. this is a marathon not a sprint. when do you think is going to happen to boston lloyd when he goes off? hes going to deflate like a popped balloon. you want that? i dont. its godamn hard to lose lean tissue when you use an intelligent approach to anabolics usage when you need to go off. i have been on 200mg of enanthate e4-5d since the last week of dec. thats 3.5 months almost- all i have lost is the look the anabolics gave me- the fullness and density. i still weigh the exact same. when you put it one slow, it'll come off slow. its really that simple.

FIND YOUR FAVOURITES

what to use and how much? well, i like to use a year round base of test and i dont go over 300mg a week. my ceiling is around 750mg. to be honest this summer i'll prolly not go above 400mg a week and not use tren. i have used some nosebleed numbers in my day. i didnt look any better. but i was fucking big. thats not the look i want, so i drop the dose. its about using the dose you need for the look you want, not a wholesale shotgunning of mega doses and hoping it all works out in the end. in fact the less anabolics i use, more responsibly the better i look. i used to run 2g all year. fuck i wish i knew then what i know now. as for compunds im a huge fan of long estered versions of compounds like masteron and tren- i find they give a better density to the cell than the faster esters. i like masteron in the summer as it will keep you dry as long as your carbs and sodium are in check. tren for the obvious reasons. i love var. and the only other anabolic id recommend is npp. those are my core anabolics. the trick is to find those that you respond best to and cycle them in depending on the look you want to achieve. i have found that i react better some some compounds more than others- there is def not a level playing feild when it comes to the bodies utilisation of all compounds. find those that work for you. i dont use anti es to stay dry- they dry my joints out and hamper my recovery.

i think thats about it. if i havent mentioned it, its not worth mentioning -insulin for example- in my day i used a ton of it. i think you'll look better without it.

im not saying this a be all/end all definitive guide for everyone to follow. im saying this is what works for me.

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Re: my thoughts on training, nutrition and anabolics usage
« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2014, 09:57:29 AM »
Holy shit, can you imagine how fucking retarded bodybuilding would be if all the top pros had to be on dialysis to compensate for their gear usage!? It's almost stupid enough to believe!
I doubt if anyone would participate unless of course they were completely nutz! 

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« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2014, 09:58:37 AM »
I followed no ones and gals diet and work out routines or lack there of...  Ive lost 62lbs since last august.   drop my bf% from plus 30%??  to now 12%   I feel younger have way more energy and it shows in my day to day life and in everything I do.  So while "no one" may be a dick to those he doesn't like...... I can tell you he would do anything to help anyone.. Unless youre a douche
Good job man!!

no one has given me great advice in the past also.......great guy in my book.

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« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2014, 09:59:21 AM »


There used to be rumours about Gaspari walking around his house hooked up to an IV of steroids.

'Dialysis' , you idiot.

Well i trust what they say, their drug knowledge alone is crazy. It does make sense if you think about it,  steroids fuck your kidneys, those guys (im talking 212 mr o) are on mega doses.

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« Reply #83 on: April 08, 2014, 10:00:12 AM »
Well i trust what they say, their drug knowledge alone is crazy. It does make sense if you think about it,  steroids fuck your kidneys, those guys (im talking 212 mr o) are on mega doses.

Really?
You have evidence of this?

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« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2014, 10:04:06 AM »
Really?
You have evidence of this?

and you call me an idiot? LoL

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« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2014, 10:08:16 AM »
Good job man!!

no one has given me great advice in the past also.......great guy in my book.
its been life changing... I felt like a huge blob of shit, I couldn't cut my own toenails I hated tying my shoes...  it  "I" was pathetic and because of my heights and big frame I hid it well.  Nobody ever called me fat but I didn't feel god about my appearance.    Losing weight makes me feel 10 years younger.  My entire family now works out together and often, gym swimming ball hockey and basket ball.   Although the biggest change has been to our diets.
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« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2014, 10:12:02 AM »
and you call me an idiot? LoL

Seriously
How many top level bodybuilders have had kidney issues that have been attributed to STEROID usage.

Think carefully now before you make a twat of yourself again.

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« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2014, 10:14:30 AM »
its been life changing... I felt like a huge blob of shit, I couldn't cut my own toenails I hated tying my shoes...  it  "I" was pathetic and because of my heights and big frame I hid it well.  Nobody ever called me fat but I didn't feel god about my appearance.    Losing weight makes me feel 10 years younger.  My entire family now works out together and often, gym swimming ball hockey and basket ball.   Although the biggest change has been to our diets.

good to hear brother. fuck that makes me feel good no bullshit.

at the end of the day i come here to bust balls and have fun but ^this is really what it is all about for me.

thank you.
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« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2014, 10:15:08 AM »
No one is a stand up guy. He helps a lot of people out! He takes a healthy approach to gear and food. Really solid guy. You have to be a dumb fuck to attack him for no reason. Many including me are getting results from his advice.

I've been working each body part twice a week for a couple weeks now I can already see a difference. I'm trying to get more protein in my diet and lay off shit carbs I don't need. I liked feeling big so I stuffed myself every day. It's shit weight though.

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« Reply #89 on: April 08, 2014, 10:19:48 AM »
The black dude lifts heavy for over an hour and the twink does the sissy 30 min workout.


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« Reply #90 on: April 08, 2014, 10:22:04 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sports/10steroids.html?_r=0quote author=Simple Simon link=topic=529197.msg7440615#msg7440615 date=1396977122]
Seriously
How many top level bodybuilders have had kidney issues that have been attributed to STEROID usage.

Think carefully now before you make a twat of yourself again.
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« Reply #91 on: April 08, 2014, 10:22:25 AM »
The black dude lifts heavy for over an hour and the twink does the sissy 30 min workout.



You are just fucking up a good thread with your idiocy, kindly fuck right off.

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« Reply #92 on: April 08, 2014, 10:24:16 AM »
its been life changing... I felt like a huge blob of shit, I couldn't cut my own toenails I hated tying my shoes...  it  "I" was pathetic and because of my heights and big frame I hid it well.  Nobody ever called me fat but I didn't feel god about my appearance.    Losing weight makes me feel 10 years younger.  My entire family now works out together and often, gym swimming ball hockey and basket ball.   Although the biggest change has been to our diets.
Cool bro!  :)

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« Reply #93 on: April 08, 2014, 10:25:51 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sports/10steroids.html?_r=0quote author=Simple Simon link=topic=529197.msg7440615#msg7440615 date=1396977122]
Seriously
How many top level bodybuilders have had kidney issues that have been attributed to STEROID usage.

Think carefully now before you make a twat of yourself again.


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Are you sure it was STEROID usage?
You do realise Mr Wheeler was a heavy synthol and diuretic user dont you?

Its diuretics that fuck up your kidneys.
Maybe a list of 10 people in that link who's steroid usage "may" have contributed to their kidney disease.
See, I warned you not to make a twat of yourself.

from the article
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“I think it’s hard to be certain what’s causing their kidney disease,” said William Bremner, chairman of the Department of Medicine at the University of Washington and an endocrinologist who studies steroids.

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« Reply #94 on: April 08, 2014, 10:40:27 AM »
Your methods explain why you aren't a lot bigger. No one trains by instinct. That isn't giving anyone good information.

Most young guys can't grow because they don't eat enough calories. So your advice to hard gainers sucks. These guys have to force feed themselves.


Haha go fuck yourself, Vince. This advice isn't tailored for idiots who don't realize they simply need to put more food in their mouths. The solution is simple - more calories. If they ate enough bark mulch they'd grow. I too was a "hardgainer" and learned how narrow sighted I was and changed that. It's elementary.

This thread doesn't concern you in the least. Great advice by no one. Lots of "simple" concepts that many people miss. It needs to be reaffirmed by advanced lifters because people are so concerned with finding a new gimmick that they try so many different things and never commit to one. This is solid advice and shit that I finally started doing consistently myself. Now I look back and realize how stupid I was and how much I could have advanced if I had stuck with solid principals like this. But no big deal, we all know what it takes and it's just a matter of execution.

People might think it's a circlejerk and a bunch of back-patting, but it really affirms things and solidifies these principals in your mind. When we go through training luls we begin doubting or fucking around aimlessly. Any time I read a novel post from gal or no one I strap down and start training hard again. I don't care if it's the same thing said two different ways, it truly helps. It's hard to do something repetitively without it becoming cumbersome. But when you find the best ways to get these tasks done and share ideas with others, it becomes a lot more exciting, rewarding and tangible.

Of course someone could say eat 300g of protein, minimal carbs and fats, train hard, use a few hundred mgs of gear but that's so dry and impersonal. When people share their anecdotes, it gives you something to compare and contrast. I don't like deca or NPP but when I hear about others using it, it piques my interest and I think about whether I should try them again. Or when someone shares the foods they eat, it gets me revved up and I want to cook different dishes and eat strict again. These posts are inherently valuable in that they keep things fresh and motivating. They're invaluable. We need people to keep things fresh and we're lucky to have guys like no one on board. They're the kinds of dudes I used to schmoe on and idolize when I was struggling to get big. And I'm happy to have developed a solid enough physique to bump shoulders with them and not look like an outsider. I still have plenty of work before I'll ever be happy with my physique, but we all feel the same and it's nice to be able to contribute and help each other out.

So again, fuck off, Vince. In case you haven't clued in, none of this concerns you. I apologize if you took the time to read my post.

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« Reply #95 on: April 08, 2014, 10:47:32 AM »
Dustin is one of the most Intelligent people on the boards excellent post. I feel the same way man. I get motivated from these threads it makes me think outside my normal box. I want to eat more protein now and clean my diet up. I can't wait to get off of work so I can workout and eat something healthy after.

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« Reply #96 on: April 08, 2014, 10:48:29 AM »
You are just fucking up a good thread with your idiocy, kindly fuck right off.

Ok I am out of this thread go lift your light weights for 30 mins eat your protein and takes steroids for 20 years to look like a average gym rat much of dumbasses.

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« Reply #97 on: April 08, 2014, 10:48:51 AM »
One thing I like to ask when people make threads about giving advice about training, drugs, nutrition, etc. This is by no means meant to be insulting.


Have you competed (more than once) and who have you trained?

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« Reply #98 on: April 08, 2014, 10:58:11 AM »
Are you sure it was STEROID usage?
You do realise Mr Wheeler was a heavy synthol and diuretic user dont you?

Its diuretics that fuck up your kidneys.
Maybe a list of 10 people in that link who's steroid usage "may" have contributed to their kidney disease.
See, I warned you not to make a twat of yourself.

from the article

of course like anything there will always be a number of contributing factors. Like most things there is rarely a clear answer.But it plays a role. High blood pressure which roids cause is one of the biggest cause of kidney damage. The kidneys filter our blood so high protein and drugs will put also put stress on them . Im not attacking steroids its just nieve to claim steroids dont do damage.

Anyway glad people are getting results from trying something different.

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« Reply #99 on: April 08, 2014, 11:00:09 AM »
One thing I like to ask when people make threads about giving advice about training, drugs, nutrition, etc. This is by no means meant to be insulting.


Have you competed (more than once) and who have you trained?
If thats aimed at me.
I have competed many times in the late 80s to mid 90s, I won an area qualifier and competed at national level in the UK.
I have recently returned to comps and competed last year.

I have advised many people over the years, my main area that people tend to come to me advice for is posing routines and presentation.

Im no great shakes genetically but as a skinny kid who just started lifting weights to assist with another sport I have done OK for myself.