Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like

[backday]

I think the point is not that backday is concerned about aesthetics, but rather with the fact that he tore his lat.  And that had he attempted to lift more weight on a second attempt on that day, that he may have caused further damage to his lat.

Well I am a lil concerned about aesthetics  .But you are right the lat could eaisly get more damaged with another attempt.To much gambling when I already
had the record.

[ProudVirgin69]

Well I am a lil concerned about aesthetics  .But you are right the lat could eaisly get more damaged with another attempt.To much gambling when I already
had the record.

Excuse me.....not AS concerned with aesthetics

[Simple Simon]

I think the point is not that backday is concerned about aesthetics, but rather with the fact that he tore his lat.  And that had he attempted to lift more weight on a second attempt on that day, that he may have caused further damage to his lat.

Always a good idea to call it a day lifting when the muscle is tearing off the tendon, it's the bodies way of saying "its too heavy"

[backday]

Excuse me.....not AS concerned with aesthetics

OK then  

[ProudVirgin69]

Always a good idea to call it a day lifting when the muscle is tearing off the tendon, it's the bodies way of saying "its too heavy"

Can't argue with that

[Van_Bilderass]

I had been away from deads for a year a while ago and first workout had a small tear on the left side. Next week, same thing on the right side. Forgot to relax my shoulders and not pull with my upper back. 

[visualizeperfection]

I had been away from deads for a year a while ago and first workout had a small tear on the left side. Next week, same thing on the right side. Forgot to relax my shoulders and not pull with my upper back. 

yes.

We should all take your advice. Based on appearance and training prowess.

[Simple Simon]

yes.

We should all take your advice. Based on appearance and training prowess.

Fucking hell, this guy is all Google and no gumption.

[Van_Bilderass]

yes.

We should all take your advice. Based on appearance and training prowess.

You don't have to take anything from anyone "bro". Do what the fuck you want.

In that pic I hadn't been in a gym in many months, just started back. For some reason I'm very very injury prone, they call me the porcelain man. I don't "hoist" weight either, very very careful training style these days, the others call me a pussy for being afraid of heavy weights.

[Van_Bilderass]

Fucking hell, this guy is all Google and no gumption.

By gumption, do you mean common sense? Or boldness and aggression?

[wes]

Just like you my friend, just like you

Thanks buddy!! 

[wes]

I had been away from deads for a year a while ago and first workout had a small tear on the left side. Next week, same thing on the right side. Forgot to relax my shoulders and not pull with my upper back. 

Wow,that looks painful Van.

[hazbin]

honest question for Van,    how different would Coach have been with this as opposed to the less than one gram he did?   how much leaner and heavier would he have been in your expert opinion?


edit.......    on getbig this could come across as me being an idiot and clashing with you. not at all.    I do respect you as an expert and am truly curious how dramatic a difference 'taking it to the next/highest level' would make.

[Simple Simon]

By gumption, do you mean common sense? Or boldness and aggression?

No common sense.

As for 'bold and aggressive', I would go with 'foolhardy.'

You clearly dont know your limits.
You look like shit and you are a dumbass in the gym.

Seriously, your are all knowledge and no practice.

[wes]

This is definiately the best thread Wolfox ever made! 

[visualizeperfection]

You don't have to take anything from anyone "bro". Do what the fuck you want.

In that pic I hadn't been in a gym in many months, just started back. For some reason I'm very very injury prone, they call me the porcelain man. I don't "hoist" weight either, very very careful training style these days, the others call me a pussy for being afraid of heavy weights.

Im not even trying to harsh on you man.

Its just that common sense dictates that only advice giving from someone who walks the walk is safe advice.

I could read off step by step instructions to installing a turbocharger on a mustang, based on internet findings, but I wouldnt have a fucking clue what I was talking about.

[backday]

This is definiately the best thread Wolfox ever made! 

Yes because he has been out of it a long while

[Van_Bilderass]

No common sense.

As for 'bold and aggressive', I would go with 'foolhardy.'

You clearly dont know your limits.
You look like shit and you are a dumbass in the gym.

Seriously, your are all knowledge and no practice.

Maybe, maybe not. We haven't trained together so I think it's kind of hard for you to determine that. But I've been training regularly for about 22 years... read bodybuilding magazines for 7 years before that so I had seen routines and read articles, often stupid of course, so I already had a little textbook knowledge from the start. But sure, I could still be a dumbass.

honest question for Van,    how different would Coach have been with this as opposed to the less than one gram he did?   how much leaner and heavier would he have been in your expert opinion?


edit.......    on getbig this could come across as me being an idiot and clashing with you. not at all.    I do respect you as an expert and am truly curious how dramatic a difference 'taking it to the next/highest level' would make.

I never called myself an expert. Any fool can write anything here and I'm just one among all the others. But I think conditioning is something that can be controlled and since Coach has a very good structure and has good size he could have won his class without any extra mass just by being the hardest in the class. I don't know what he did exactly for the show with the drugs but my hunch is that he could have been considerably bigger and theoretically had the potential to win the overall. How much bigger exactly he could've been is impossible to say, you have to try it and see.

[Simple Simon]

Maybe, maybe not. We haven't trained together so I think it's kind of hard for you to determine that. But I've been training regularly for about 22 years... read bodybuilding magazines for 7 years before that so I had seen routines and read articles, often stupid of course, so I already had a little textbook knowledge from the start. But sure, I could still be a dumbass.

I never called myself an expert. Any fool can write anything here and I'm just one among all the others. But I think conditioning is something that can be controlled and since Coach has a very good structure and has good size he could have won his class without any extra mass just by being the hardest in the class. I don't know what he did exactly for the show with the drugs but my hunch is that he could have been considerably bigger and theoretically had the potential to win the overall. How much bigger exactly he could've been is impossible to say, you have to try it and see.

are you ESFitness gimmick account, or vice versa?

[Van_Bilderass]

Its just that common sense dictates that only advice giving from someone who walks the walk is safe advice.

Trust me, safety first is my advice always. I may take risks but can't recommend others to do the same. Like my buddy who finished 3rd at the last Euro champs, I tell him to be careful with benches... he still wants to do them, but stops a couple of inches over his chest (a "pussy pad" for squats on the bar). I watch him deadlift and watch so he doesn't bend the supinated arm at all. Things like that.

are you ESFitness gimmick account, or vice versa?

Where are the similarities? There are none. Again, I'm no gimmicker. Though I'm anonymous I never told a single lie here. It's important to me, even if no one would ever know if I lied my ass off.

[Krankenstein]

Im not even trying to harsh on you man.

Its just that common sense dictates that only advice giving from someone who walks the walk is safe advice.

I could read off step by step instructions to installing a turbocharger on a mustang, based on internet findings, but I wouldnt have a fucking clue what I was talking about.

Good thing many exercised common sense and never listened to Béla Károlyi, Sean Foley, or Greg Jackson

[visualizeperfection]

Good thing many exercised common sense and never listened to Béla Károlyi, Sean Foley, or Greg Jackson

I see what youre getting at. I havent a clue who Bela Karolyi is... but this argument is sort of invalid.

Sean Foley and Greg Jackson DO walk the walk. Sean Foley WILL out golf you and Greg Jackson WILL fuck you up in a fight.

Failure to compete in ones skill isn't indicative of "not walking the walk". Maybe limited by physical short comings, or just a downright lack of god given talent; but they do "walk the walk" so to speak.

[Van_Bilderass]

Karolyi from Wiki  

Several of Károlyi's athletes from the six-pack era were critical of his training methods. Some of his former athletes, including Kristie Phillips, Dominique Moceanu, and Erica Stokes, have stated publicly that Károlyi was verbally and psychologically abusive during workouts. Károlyi's constant critical remarks about weight and body type were said to drive some gymnasts to develop eating disorders and low self-esteem.[17] Some gymnasts, such as Phillips, Moceanu, and 1988 Olympian Chelle Stack, have noted that they were also compelled to continue training and competing even when coping with serious injuries such as broken bones.[17] In one interview, Moceanu, who was one of Károlyi's final protégés, noted: "I'm sure Bela saw injuries, but if you were injured, Bela didn't want to see it...You had to deal with it. I was intimidated. He looked down on me. He was 6-feet something, and I was 4-foot nothing."[18]

[Simple Simon]

Karolyi from Wiki  

[visualizeperfection]

looks like a fucking chester