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Archer77

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #175 on: May 14, 2014, 09:25:57 AM »
We can solve this very quickly, Archer. Do you feel I've made any claim that is preposterous? If yes, please quote it.


What is your evidence for your claims?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #176 on: May 14, 2014, 09:33:37 AM »

What is your evidence for your claims?

Now that you've backed yourself into a corner, Archer, it would probably be a good time to reintroduce yourself to sleep.

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #177 on: May 14, 2014, 09:40:08 AM »
Now that you've backed yourself into a corner, Archer, it would probably be a good time to reintroduce yourself to sleep.

Can you expand on your claims and explain them more concisely?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #178 on: May 14, 2014, 09:48:57 AM »
Can you expand on your claims and explain them more concisely?

My only claim is that we don't know. Simple, for such an apparently controversial claim, isn't it?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #179 on: May 14, 2014, 10:03:59 AM »
My only claim is that we don't know. Simple, for such an apparently controversial claim, isn't it?

Are you sure that was your claim?  

It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #180 on: May 14, 2014, 10:08:28 AM »
Are you sure that was your claim?  


Yes, and that's the nature of possibility, isn't it?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #181 on: May 14, 2014, 10:10:34 AM »
Yes, and that's the nature of possibility, isn't it?

Are you sure of that?  


It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?

 
What is the definition and nature of possibility?  Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #182 on: May 14, 2014, 10:17:12 AM »
Are you sure of that?  


  
What is the definition and nature of possibility?  Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?



So are we arguing whether packs of conjoined gorillas are possibly roaming midtown, or..?

You need to apply your argument directly to the subject, or it will not make sense.

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #183 on: May 14, 2014, 10:19:17 AM »
So are we arguing whether packs of conjoined gorillas are roaming midtown, or..?

You need to apply your argument directly to the subject, or it will not make sense.

Did I ever mention gorillas?   Do you know what an argument from ignorance is? 
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #184 on: May 14, 2014, 10:20:49 AM »
Expand on this?  How is this logical?

It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #185 on: May 14, 2014, 10:29:18 AM »
Expand on this?  How is this logical?


Maybe this will help you understand, Archer:

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It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility (IN THIS CASE), doesn't it?

How's that?


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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #186 on: May 14, 2014, 10:32:25 AM »
...by the way, for future reference, seeing something like "...such a possibility", should clue you in that it isn't an all-inclusive statement.

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #187 on: May 14, 2014, 10:36:04 AM »
Maybe this will help you understand, Archer:

How's that?



Are you sure a slight modification renders the statement logical and true?  What's the difference between the two? Where is the evidence that in this particulat case such a possibility is more possible than another or that it is possible at all? What sets the possible apart from the impossible in this instance?  You need something to set the two apart like evidence that one has more validity than another.  How did you decide that was true?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #188 on: May 14, 2014, 10:40:51 AM »
Are you sure a slight modification renders the statement logical and true?  What's the difference between the two? Where is the evidence that in this particulat case such a possibility is more possible than another or that it is possible at all? What sets the possible apart from the impossible in this instance?  You need something to set the two apart like evidence that one has more validity than another.  How did you decide that was true?

Is it? Please tell me.

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #189 on: May 14, 2014, 10:46:54 AM »
Is it? Please tell me.

You said it was possible in this case.  Why do you think that?  How did you come to that decision?   How does a lack of evidence lead one to the conclusion that the the subject of which has no evidence is possible?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #190 on: May 14, 2014, 11:18:06 AM »
You said it was possible in this case.  Why do you think that?  How did you come to that decision?   How does a lack of evidence lead one to the conclusion that the the subject of which has no evidence is possible?

Because the anchoring questions are whether people have shown an otherwise-incredible ability to pursue scientific problems (we have); whether we could leave earth (we can, and have); whether technology advances exponentially when given the chance (it does).

For these reasons and more, it can be called a possibility, and comfortably so.

Does that help?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #191 on: May 14, 2014, 11:39:30 AM »
Science knows we have been visited from at least 4 alien types

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #192 on: May 14, 2014, 12:15:08 PM »
Because the anchoring questions are whether people have shown an otherwise-incredible ability to pursue scientific problems (we have); whether we could leave earth (we can, and have); whether technology advances exponentially when given the chance (it does).

For these reasons and more, it can be called a possibility, and comfortably so.




Does that help?


It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility (IN THIS CASE), doesn't it?



How does the lack of conclusive proof to the contrary make such a thing possible?  The absense of evidence is not evidence.   Should you research an argument from ignorance? 
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #193 on: May 14, 2014, 12:49:39 PM »


How does the lack of conclusive proof to the contrary make such a thing possible?  The absense of evidence is not evidence.   Should you research an argument from ignorance? 

It isn't merely an absence of proof to the contrary, though, is it? It is the presence of science, technology, determination, and other things.

Right?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #194 on: May 14, 2014, 12:55:00 PM »
It isn't merely an absence of proof to the contrary, though, is it? It is the presence of science, technology, determination, and other things.

Right?

How does that prove something is possible, as you claim it does in this case?    Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #195 on: May 14, 2014, 01:14:36 PM »
How does that prove something is possible, as you claim it does in this case?    Do you know what an argument from ignorance is?

...by doing the very thing, itself, are you asking?

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #196 on: May 14, 2014, 01:27:51 PM »




...by doing the very thing, itself, are you asking?


Doing what thing itself?

It seems a lack of conclusive proof to the contrary can't help but to reveal such a possibility, doesn't it?

Why and how does a lack of conclusive proof reveal such a possibility as being possible?   Why cant it help but reveal such a possibility?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #197 on: May 14, 2014, 01:49:45 PM »
Archer, if you're asking (of all things) how science, technology and determination are related to the nature of possibility, I'm not sure what to say.

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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #198 on: May 14, 2014, 02:01:22 PM »
Archer, if you're asking (of all things) how science, technology and determination are related to the nature of possibility, I'm not sure what to say.

Im asking how you believe that no evidence to the contrary or no evidence at all proves something is possible?  How did you arrive at this conclusion and do you believe that is an example of sound logic?
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Re: Are UFOs real ?
« Reply #199 on: May 14, 2014, 02:15:06 PM »
Im asking how you believe that no evidence to the contrary or no evidence at all proves something is possible?  How did you arrive at this conclusion and do you believe that is an example of sound logic?

Perhaps you missed this, and let me know if you'd like extra-large fonts to go with it:

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It isn't merely an absence of proof to the contrary, though, is it? It is the presence of science, technology, determination, and other things.

Right?

Please show me where you've accounted for science, technology and determination.