Lebron stares down Michael Jordan during fast break dunk

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

where did this myth that lebron isn't "competitive" start?  i swear one talking head blurted that out and then everybody ran with it

does he have to punch a teammate to be "competitive"? 

how many titles did jordan have at lebron's age?  i would take pippen and rodman (or grant) as teammates over a fading wade and bosh, not to mention jackson over spoelstra

it's not lebron's fault that players prefer playing in glamorous cities over cleveland, no player wins by themselves

E

I didn't say he wasn't competitive. But he's not on Jordan's 'level' as a closer and competitor. Jordan has punched a teammate before. Ask Steve Kerr.

[Nails]

Jordan was and is a degenerate gambler that cost his father his life

Jordan wins

[Ronnie Rep]

Pippen was one of the 50 best players of all time.  He was MVP of the all-star game the year after MJ left, and they kicked ass in the playoffs despite losing MJ. 

Heat without leBron.... LMAO... they'd be horrible.  Look at Cleveland... from Finals to Lottery with LBJ leaving town.   Lebron got to the finals with scrubs.  MJ needed Pippen to do it.  Pippen was a greater player than Wade.   Pippen was just SICK awesome in his prime.  He played for 11 seasons with the bulls... so he was OLD when MJ left.  Looking at how he did with portland, that's not fair, he was mid to late 30s by then, and drank like a mofo.

Jordan is an awesome tale of working your ass to the top.
LeBron is an awesome example of handed everything and spoiled rotten and "king james" before he finished high school.

But LeBron is better, his legacy will be better.   He just has a better body, takes better care of self, and got an earlier start thanks to no college. 

The Heat would not be terrible if they didn't get Lebron, maybe not 2 more championships and on the verge of a threepeat. D.Wade took them to a championship in 2007 with the help of a lazy Shaq, Zoe and others. Pat Riley would have rebuilt with or without Lebron.

[Hulkotron]

The Bulls without Jordan (1994) also added Toni Kukoc who was a very good player (the best in Europe at the time). 

[The Scott]

Big deal.  In the world outside the NBA this amounts to nothing.  I stopped watching long ago.

[240 is Back]

MJ didn't win a ring until he was 28.

In a more competitive era,
LeBron has been to the Finals 4 times and won 2 titles, and is coasting for at least another Finals trip, at age 29.

ANYWHERE he goes in the league, you'll have stars lined up to play for less $ in order to win 2-3 rings with him.

[Mr.1derful]

MJ didn't win a ring until he was 28.

In a more competitive era,
LeBron has been to the Finals 4 times and won 2 titles, and is coasting for at least another Finals trip, at age 29.

ANYWHERE he goes in the league, you'll have stars lined up to play for less $ in order to win 2-3 rings with him.

With today's rules, Jordan would average 50 per game.

[240 is Back]

With today's rules, Jordan would average 50 per game.

But he woudln't have the dynasty.  Refs didn't hand series to lebron, and they didn't hand it to duncan either.

He'd be a Durant today.   VERY good, and wins some, loses some.

[Quickerblade]

a lot of fake facts in this thread.

[Earl1972]

That argument doesn't really work in LeBron's favor though (Jordan did it in fewer years).  I don't see Miami winning this year but maybe they will surprise me.  With as bad as Indiana has been lately they should at least get to the Finals.

If you swap LeBron on those Cavs teams out for Jordan I would say zero titles.

so you penalize lebron because he was ready for the nba at a younger age?

E

[Earl1972]

I didn't say he wasn't competitive. But he's not on Jordan's 'level' as a closer and competitor. Jordan has punched a teammate before. Ask Steve Kerr.

i was referring to jordan punching a teammate

also didn't the bulls make the eastern conference finals when jordan played baseball?

i think the cavs became the worst team in the league when lebron left

E

[Hulkotron]

so you penalize lebron because he was ready for the nba at a younger age?

E

You are either being willfully ignorant or are just straight-up dumb.

[hp31]

Lebron took cleveland to finals
Jordan never took wizards to finals

Lebron is winning with spoelstra,? spestea ? Spoltra? Eric? Erik?

Jordan couldnt win without phil jackson

Jordan was well past his prime when he joined the Wizards. While I'm sure Washington was thrilled to have MJ & while his numbers were respectable, I don't think the majority of people really expected him to lead them to b-ball glory. How many titles does LeBron have w/o Spoelstra? MJ was 6 for 6 in the finals. What's LeBron's Finals record thus far?

[manuelsonn]

leborn is a manchild with a brute psihique, all force, minimal understanding of the game, he s just overrated

[Ronnie Rep]

leborn is a manchild with a brute psihique, all force, minimal understanding of the game, he s just overrated

You obviously are clueless and know nothing about the NBA. Lebron has one of highest basketball IQ's  and is a student of the game.

[240 is Back]

leborn is a manchild with a brute psihique, all force, minimal understanding of the game, he s just overrated

that was the case when he was 18.  But ten years later, he's very efficient and shrewd on the basketball court.   His defensive prowess alone shows that.  watch him play - very little wasted movement or energy.  Fundamentally, he's very very good.  There are a lot of dudes with near-lebron talent that are on the bench someplace.  He has a body that is 10% better than everyone else in the league... but that alone isn't enough if he doesn't travel and move and play wisely.  One step in an inefficient direction and that fast break doesn't happen.

[manuelsonn]

that was the case when he was 18.  But ten years later, he's very efficient and shrewd on the basketball court.   His defensive prowess alone shows that.  watch him play - very little wasted movement or energy.  Fundamentally, he's very very good.  There are a lot of dudes with near-lebron talent that are on the bench someplace.  He has a body that is 10% better than everyone else in the league... but that alone isn't enough if he doesn't travel and move and play wisely.  One step in an inefficient direction and that fast break doesn't happen.

nope, he s just a brute force player, he s light years from nderstanding the game like mj , or larry did

[Quickerblade]

nope, he s just a brute force player, he s light years from nderstanding the game like mj , or larry did

nope.
if you looked at Jordan you would get called for a foul, Lebron gets hacked every time his in the post, but refs swallow the whistle.
Jordan was light years ahead of his competitors, john starks and joe dumars. fuck that, bring 90's Jordan to play now he will be second best to lebron...Sorry
Jordan is the greatest, 6 rings. I don't like Magic Johnson, kobe is a better laker then him.
Lebron is better then Kobe, no question, I believe kobe is done, he will be 36 and he will have another injury next season.

[Quickerblade]

The Heat would not be terrible if they didn't get Lebron, maybe not 2 more championships and on the verge of a threepeat. D.Wade took them to a championship in 2007 with the help of a lazy Shaq, Zoe and others. Pat Riley would have rebuilt with or without Lebron.

I recall this series vividly, wade was super, Alonzo was amazing, shaq was a fat lazy liability. I don't think shaq had more then 2 blocks that whole series, Alonzo was averaging 4 blocks per game. Alonzo helped Miami more then shaq did.

[manuelsonn]

Season   Player   Position[a]   Team   Games
played   Field goals
made   3-point
field goals
made   Free throws
made   Total
points   Points per
game   References
1946–47   Joe Fulks*   F/C   Philadelphia Warriors   60   475   —   439   1,389   23.2   [11][12]
1947–48   Max Zaslofsky   G/F   Chicago Stags   48   373   —   261   1,007   21.0   [14][15]
1948–49   George Mikan*   C   Minneapolis Lakers   60   583   —   532   1,698   28.3   [16][17]
1949–50   George Mikan* (2)   C   Minneapolis Lakers   68   649   —   567   1,865   27.4   [17][18]
1950–51   George Mikan* (3)   C   Minneapolis Lakers   68   678   —   576   1,932   28.4   [17][19]
1951–52   Paul Arizin*   F/G   Philadelphia Warriors   66   548   —   578   1,674   25.4   [20][21]
1952–53   Neil Johnston*   C   Philadelphia Warriors   70   504   —   556   1,564   22.3   [22][23]
1953–54   Neil Johnston* (2)   C   Philadelphia Warriors   72   591   —   577   1,759   24.5   [23][24]
1954–55   Neil Johnston* (3)   C   Philadelphia Warriors   72   521   —   589   1,631   22.7   [23][25]
1955–56   Bob Pettit*   F/C   St. Louis Hawks   72   646   —   557   1,849   25.7   [26][27]
1956–57   Paul Arizin* (2)   F/G   Philadelphia Warriors   71   613   —   591   1,817   25.6   [21][28]
1957–58   George Yardley*   F/G   Detroit Pistons   72   673   —   655   2,001   27.8   [29][30]
1958–59   Bob Pettit* (2)   F/C   St. Louis Hawks   72   719   —   667   2,105   29.2   [27][31]
1959–60   Wilt Chamberlain*[c]   C   Philadelphia Warriors   72   1,065   —   577   2,707   37.6   [32][33]
1960–61   Wilt Chamberlain* (2)   C   Philadelphia Warriors   79   1,251   —   531   3,033   38.4   [33][34]
1961–62   Wilt Chamberlain* (3)[d]   C   Philadelphia Warriors   80   1,597   —   835   4,029   50.4   [33][35]
1962–63   Wilt Chamberlain* (4)   C   San Francisco Warriors   80   1,463   —   660   3,586   44.8   [33][36]
1963–64   Wilt Chamberlain* (5)   C   San Francisco Warriors   80   1,204   —   540   2,948   36.9   [33][37]
1964–65   Wilt Chamberlain* (6)   C   San Francisco Warriors
Philadelphia 76ers   73   1,063   —   408   2,534   34.7   [33][38]
1965–66   Wilt Chamberlain* (7)   C   Philadelphia 76ers   79   1,074   —   501   2,649   33.5   [33][39]
1966–67   Rick Barry*   F   San Francisco Warriors   78   1,011   —   753   2,775   35.6   [40][41]
1967–68   Dave Bing*[e]   G   Detroit Pistons   79   835   —   472   2,142   27.1   [44][45]
1968–69   Elvin Hayes*[f]   F/C   San Diego Rockets   82   930   —   467   2,327   28.4   [46][47]
1969–70   Jerry West*[g]   G/F   Los Angeles Lakers   74   831   —   647   2,309   31.2   [49][50]
1970–71   Lew Alcindor*[h]   C   Milwaukee Bucks   82   1,063   —   470   2,596   31.7   [52][53]
1971–72   Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* (2)   C   Milwaukee Bucks   81   1,159   —   504   2,822   34.8   [53][54]
1972–73   Nate "Tiny" Archibald*   G   Kansas City-Omaha Kings   80   1,028   —   663   2,719   34.0   [55][56]
1973–74   Bob McAdoo*   C/F   Buffalo Braves   74   901   —   459   2,261   30.6   [57][58]
1974–75   Bob McAdoo* (2)   C/F   Buffalo Braves   82   1,095   —   641   2,831   34.5   [58][59]
1975–76   Bob McAdoo* (3)   C/F   Buffalo Braves   78   934   —   559   2,427   31.1   [58][60]
1976–77   Pete Maravich*   G   New Orleans Jazz   73   886   —   501   2,273   31.1   [61][62]
1977–78   George Gervin*   G/F   San Antonio Spurs   82   864   —   504   2,232   27.2   [68][69]
1978–79   George Gervin* (2)   G/F   San Antonio Spurs   80   947   —   471   2,365   29.6   [69][70]
1979–80   George Gervin* (3)   G/F   San Antonio Spurs   78   1,024   32   505   2,585   33.1   [69][71]
1980–81   Adrian Dantley*   F/G   Utah Jazz   80   909   2   632   2,452   30.7   [72][73]
1981–82   George Gervin* (4)   G/F   San Antonio Spurs   79   993   10   555   2,551   32.3   [69][74]
1982–83   Alex English*   F   Denver Nuggets   82   959   2   406   2,326   28.4   [75][76]
1983–84   Adrian Dantley* (2)   F/G   Utah Jazz   79   802   1   813   2,418   30.6   [73][77]
1984–85   Bernard King*[j]   F   New York Knicks   55   691   1   426   1,809   32.9   [79][80]
1985–86   Dominique Wilkins*[k]   F/G   Atlanta Hawks   78   888   13   577   2,366   30.3   [82][83]
1986–87   Michael Jordan*   G   Chicago Bulls   82   1,098   12   833   3,041   37.1   [84][85]
1987–88   Michael Jordan* (2)   G   Chicago Bulls   82   1,069   7   723   2,868   35.0   [85][86]
1988–89   Michael Jordan* (3)   G   Chicago Bulls   81   966   27   674   2,633   32.5   [85][87]
1989–90   Michael Jordan* (4)   G   Chicago Bulls   82   1,034   92   593   2,753   33.6   [85][88]
1990–91   Michael Jordan* (5)   G   Chicago Bulls   82   990   29   571   2,580   31.5   [85][89]
1991–92   Michael Jordan* (6)   G   Chicago Bulls   80   943   27   491   2,404   30.1   [85][90]
1992–93   Michael Jordan* (7)   G   Chicago Bulls   78   992   81   476   2,541   32.6   [85][91]
1993–94   David Robinson*[l]   C   San Antonio Spurs   80   840   10   693   2,383   29.8   [93][94]
1994–95   Shaquille O'Neal   C   Orlando Magic   79   930   0   455   2,315   29.3   [95][96]
1995–96   Michael Jordan* (   G   Chicago Bulls   82   916   111   548   2,491   30.4   [85][97]
1996–97   Michael Jordan* (9)   G   Chicago Bulls   82   920   111   480   2,431   29.6   [85][98]
1997–98[m]   Michael Jordan* (10)   G   Chicago Bulls   82   881   30   565   2,357   28.7   [85][100]
1998–99[n]   Allen Iverson

•    G   Philadelphia 76ers   48   435   58   356   1,284   26.8   [103][104]

1999–00   Shaquille O'Neal (2)   C   Los Angeles Lakers   79   956   0   432   2,344   29.7   [96][105]
2000–01   Allen Iverson (2)[p]   G   Philadelphia 76ers   71   762   98   585   2,207   31.1   [104][107]
2001–02   Allen Iverson (3)[q]   G   Philadelphia 76ers   60   665   78   475   1,883   31.4   [104][109]
2002–03   Tracy McGrady[r]   G/F   Orlando Magic   75   829   173   576   2,407   32.1   [111][112]
2003–04   Tracy McGrady (2)   G/F   Orlando Magic   67   653   174   398   1,878   28.0   [112]
2004–05   Allen Iverson (4)   G   Philadelphia 76ers   75   771   104   656   2,302   30.7   [104]
2005–06   Kobe Bryant^   G   Los Angeles Lakers   80   978   180   696   2,832   35.4   [114]
2006–07   Kobe Bryant^ (2)   G   Los Angeles Lakers   77   813   137   667   2,430   31.6   [114]
2007–08   LeBron James^[t]   F   Cleveland Cavaliers   75   794   113   549   2,250   30.0   [116]
2008–09   Dwyane Wade^   G   Miami Heat   79   854   88   590   2,386   30.2   [117]
2009–10   Kevin Durant^   F   Oklahoma City Thunder   82   794   128   756   2,472   30.1   [119]
2010–11   Kevin Durant^ (2)   F   Oklahoma City Thunder   78   711   145   594   2,161   27.7   [119]
2011–12[v]   Kevin Durant^ (3)[w]   F   Oklahoma City Thunder   66   643   133   431   1,850   28.0   [119]
2012–13   Carmelo Anthony^

•    F   New York Knicks   67   669   157   425   1,920   28.7   [123]

2013–14   Kevin Durant^ (4)   F   Oklahoma City Thunder   81   849   192   703   2,593   32.0   

[manuelsonn]

so mj was 10 time nba scoring leader and libron once.. close, he s really close

[liberty]

 

[Ronnie Rep]

Good to see you back posting about the NBA Quick.

[Quickerblade]

so mj was 10 time nba scoring leader and libron once.. close, he s really close

Lebron has no desire to lead the NBA in scoring, he can if he wanted to.
Kevin Durant is going to be ringless no matter how many scoring titles he has.

[Quickerblade]

Good to see you back posting about the NBA Quick.

Thanks mate,
I have been off getbig for a while due to other commitments, but this is the perfect time to come back.
we should set up 2014 NBA playoff thread.