Breaking the diet plateau by eating more?

[Icelord]

Umm yeah it is....hold up, I'll dig up some research.

Also, Exhibit A   :

That's not proof of anything. I can write that I'm 2% body fat and got there eating pineapple and martinis all day.

[OTHstrong]

Are you 100% natural?

oh I didn't know the discussion was for naturals only, my bad but it does not make a difference anyway, off gear same shit just a lot less muscle, the juice DOES NOT BURN FAT.

[OTHstrong]

That's not proof of anything. I can write that I'm 2% body fat and got there eating pineapple and martinis all day.

so now I am a liar?

[Icelord]

oh I didn't know the discussion was for naturals only, my bad but it does not make a difference anyway, off gear same shit just a lot less muscle, the juice DOES NOT BURN FAT.

bullshit
I'm done replying to your trolling dude
this is over the line

[Icelord]

so now I am a liar?

when you say drugs don't make a huge difference in dieting
yes
you are
definitely

[wes]

EDIT:  ....but who cares about naturals lol, this is bodybuilding after all

lol 

[OTHstrong]

Could you expand more on this?  What do you consider low-carb?  Why are the plateaus an issue with low-carb?

For the record, I always generally considered low-carb & no carb to be the same thing....<30-50g carbs a day

Anything over 50, and that's more what I would consider "lower carb"....purely semantics though

no just saying the diets that involve 150 grams of carbs will make you hit a plateau eventually because they would be higher in calories, so a cheat meal and a decrease in calories would be better then just a decrease in calories, the decrease coming from the carbs.

The plateau is say at 2000 calories and you are dropping 300 calories, well we know that the body requires exactly 2000 calories to break even because the plateau, by having a cheat meal you can temporarily raise what your body requires to 2200 for a couple days.

Ideal time for a cheat meal is when you drop calories. Now I go no carbs right off the bat so non of this is necessary.

[ProudVirgin69]

no just saying the diets that involve 150 grams of carbs will make you hit a plateau eventually because they would be higher in calories, so a cheat meal and a decrease in calories would be better then just a decrease in calories, the decrease coming from the carbs.

The plateau is say at 2000 calories and you are dropping 300 calories, well we know that the body requires exactly 2000 calories to break even because the plateau, by having a cheat meal you can temporarily raise what your body requires to 2200 for a couple days.

Ideal time for a cheat meal is when you drop calories. Now I go no carbs right off the bat so non of this is necessary.

Cool that's right in line with what I was thinking

[OTHstrong]

bullshit
I'm done replying to your trolling dude
this is over the line

juice burns fat? what juice burns fat bro, enlighten us. Maybe tren does a tad but that is it.

[Icelord]

juice burns fat? what juice burns fat bro, enlighten us. Maybe tren does a tad but that is it.

Right, because gaining a significant amount of muscle tissue doesn't increase your metabolism at all

[no one]

juice burns fat? what juice burns fat bro, enlighten us. Maybe tren does a tad but that is it.

ive always believed the fat loss effects of tren come from dieting harder just cause you know your on it, and its ability to allow you to train without fatigue.

[OTHstrong]

when you say drugs don't make a huge difference in dieting
yes
you are
definitely

I said juice not drugs, fat burners make a huge difference, prop, anadrol, npp, eq, etc do not

[OTHstrong]

ive always believed the fat loss effects of tren come from dieting harder just cause you know your on it, and its ability to allow you to train without fatigue.

yes my thoughts exactly, some say it has properties that burn fat but I don't buy it.

[OTHstrong]

Right, because gaining a significant amount of muscle tissue doesn't increase your metabolism at all

lmao, you are dumb

[ProudVirgin69]

Right, because gaining a significant amount of muscle tissue doesn't increase your metabolism at all

About 6-7 calories/pound of skeletal muscle.....not what I would consider a "significant" factor

[Icelord]

lmao, you are dumb

Spoken like a true meathead.

This is why no one respects bodybuilders. They're a bunch of fucking morons.

[Icelord]

About 6-7 calories/pound of skeletal muscle.....not what I would consider a "significant" factor

I don't think you've ever done a diet or been in shape enough to judge what's significant or not from a muscle-gaining standpoint.

[OTHstrong]

Spoken like a true meathead.

This is why no one respects bodybuilders. They're a bunch of fucking morons.

oh the irony,.......     ummmmmm in case you have not noticed, this is a bodybuilding forum rotflmao

[Icelord]

oh the irony,.......     ummmmmm in case you have not noticed, this is a bodybuilding forum rotflmao

Is it? A real BBing forum would be mainly patronized by, you know
bodybuilders, pros, gurus, trainers, etc.
how many are there on here? I count less than 8. Lol. This site is the joke of all BB forums. That's what makes it so much fun. You just don't appreciate that about it. Relax man.

[OTHstrong]

Is it? A real BBing forum would be mainly patronized by, you know
bodybuilders, pros, gurus, trainers, etc.
how many are there on here? I count less than 8. Lol. This site is the joke of all BB forums. That's what makes it so much fun. You just don't appreciate that about it. Relax man.

if its such a joke why are you addicted to it, religiously on here 24-7

I am more then relaxed, just think you should stay off topics you know very little of

[wes]

ive always believed the fat loss effects of tren come from dieting harder just cause you know your on it, and its ability to allow you to train without fatigue.

Very good point.....the mind is the most powerful muscle.

[Icelord]

if its such a joke why are you addicted to it, religiously on here 24-7

I am more then relaxed, just think you should stay off topics you know very little of

I post here a few days a month. 24/7? A few hours, at most. And when I come back, I don't go over my posting history to see who replied to me so I can catch up with every thread. That's pretty much the irony of what you just wrote.

You haven't proven you know anything about dieting or training. I know you've done both. But you haven't gone about it in a logical and systematic way. You just declare that everyone's opinions but yours are off and then hurl insults. It's why you're a walking stereotype of a blockhead juicemonkey.

[Icelord]

A guy who has both experience and is humble about sharing it is galeniko. Classy guy when it comes to discussing dieting and lifting. Wes as well.

[ProudVirgin69]

I don't think you've ever done a diet or been in shape enough to judge what's significant or not from a muscle-gaining standpoint.

Well I'm sure you must be quite the beast yourself

anyways....what does muscle-gaining have to do with anything that we're discussing?  You said that muscle increases the metabolism, ok sure it does--by like 150-200 calories.  Wow.  The fat must just be falling off of these juicers I hear about

[Icelord]

Well I'm sure you must be quite the beast yourself

anyways....what does muscle-gaining have to do with anything that we're discussing?  You said that muscle increases the metabolism, ok sure it does--by like 150-200 calories.  Wow.  The fat must just be falling off of these juicers I hear about

Prove it's 200 calories. In some people it's drastically more than that. In others it's less. You're trying to reduce a complicated organism like the human body to a single numeral. That's absurd in so many ways.

The muscle gained while on anabolic compounds not only affects fat loss it also has other effects. Faster protein synthesis. Quicker recovery. Higher oxygen intake in your muscle. More strength. Why the hell would people be on gear if it didn't affect their appearance drastically? The idea that juice has no effect on that is like saying driving a bike vs. a motorcycle isn't that big of a deal.