Breaking the diet plateau by eating more?

[OTHstrong]

I post here a few days a month. 24/7? A few hours, at most. And when I come back, I don't go over my posting history to see who replied to me so I can catch up with every thread. That's pretty much the irony of what you just wrote.

You haven't proven you know anything about dieting or training. I know you've done both. But you haven't gone about it in a logical and systematic way. You just declare that everyone's opinions but yours are off and then hurl insults. It's why you're a walking stereotype of a blockhead juicemonkey.

dude, you post 25 posts per day, that is very high, in fact very few are higher then that, I would say that is 24-7.

I have never hurled insults on anyone here ever without them drawing first, you dish it I will return it, simple as that, don't paint me out to be an asshole on here when you threw first

[Icelord]

dude, you post 25 posts per day, that is very high, in fact very few are higher then that, I would say that is 24-7.

I have never hurled insults on anyone here ever without them drawing first, you dish it I will return it, simple as that, don't paint me out to be an asshole on here when you threw first

Actually, most of my posts are from March. You can feel free to look that up if you don't believe it. There are many people here with far more posts per day than me. What's your point?

You insult people regularly. You've been doing it to me since yesterday. And now you're blatantly setting aside common sense about the effects of ergogenic synthetic substances to try to win an argument on the Internet about dieting. At your age, that's pretty childish.

I mean, I get that you're experienced and I gave you credit. But you're not being humble about it and instead your ego's getting in the way of your judgment.

[ProudVirgin69]

Prove it's 200 calories. In some people it's drastically more than that. In others it's less. You're trying to reduce a complicated organism like the human body to a single numeral. That's absurd in so many ways.

The muscle gained while on anabolic compounds not only affects fat loss it also has other effects. Faster protein synthesis. Quicker recovery. Higher oxygen intake in your muscle. More strength. Why the hell would people be on gear if it didn't affect their appearance drastically? The idea that juice has no effect on that is like saying driving a bike vs. a motorcycle isn't that big of a deal.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139779/table/T3/

6-7 calories/lb of skeletal muscle.  Assuming a juicer has 20-30 pounds of muscle over a natural, there you go: 150-200 increase in calories.

And the rest of your statement is common knowledge, but nobody is disputing that.  You're acting like juice is this panacea for fat loss, when a steroid user will have to suffer to get lean just like a natural.

[Icelord]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139779/table/T3/

6-7 calories/lb of skeletal muscle.  Assuming a juicer has 20-30 pounds of muscle over a natural, there you go: 150-200 increase in calories.

And the rest of your statement is common knowledge, but nobody is disputing that.  You're acting like juice is this panacea for fat loss, when a steroid user will have to suffer to get lean just like a natural.

No they won't. I lost far more fat when I was enhanced than not. So unless you're currently running a cycle of legitimate androgenic steroids and getting nowhere, I don't believe anything you're telling me here.

T3 varies widely by person. That's an average number that applies to a NATURAL individual. A natural gaining 10lbs isn't like someone on steroids gaining 10lbs. For the reasons I stated.

[OTHstrong]

Actually, most of my posts are from March. You can feel free to look that up if you don't believe it. There are many people here with far more posts per day than me. What's your point?

You insult people regularly. You've been doing it to me since yesterday. And now you're blatantly setting aside common sense about the effects of ergogenic synthetic substances to try to win an argument on the Internet about dieting. At your age, that's pretty childish.

I mean, I get that you're experienced and I gave you credit. But you're not being humble about it and instead your ego's getting in the way of your judgment.

bro go back and check, you drew first, if you can not take it then don't give it, whoever attacks me or insults me will get it back 10 fold whoever doesn't I have the utmost respect for them and would do anything for them and help in anyway, it is simple mathematics, what don't you understand about that.

[ProudVirgin69]

No they won't. I lost far more fat when I was enhanced than not. So unless you're currently running a cycle of legitimate androgenic steroids and getting nowhere, I don't believe anything you're telling me here.

T3 varies widely by person. That's an average number that applies to a NATURAL individual. A natural gaining 10lbs isn't like someone on steroids gaining 10lbs. For the reasons I stated.

Ok since you seem to have all of the answers, how many calories does a pound of skeletal muscle burn?  Don't forget to post proof

[Icelord]

bro go back and check, you drew first, if you can not take it then don't give it, whoever attacks me or insults me will get it back 10 fold whoever doesn't I have the utmost respect for them and would do anything for them and help in anyway, it is simple mathematics, what don't you understand about that.

Your 'insults' don't bother me, as they're on the level of what people in junior high say to each other. So I'm not bothered in the least and definitely not intimidated. I've heard far worse on here.

I don't need to reread that thread because I remember it. It was just a day ago. And I didn't insult anyone. I just questioned some of the things you were saying. You have to learn to see the difference and not get so frustrated over everything.

[Icelord]

Ok since you seem to have all of the answers, how many calories does a pound of skeletal muscle burn?  Don't forget to post proof

I told you. There is no numerical figure. What I burn isn't what you'll burn.

I'm not going to argue this with you anymore. I know from experience being enhanced makes a difference. A big one. You won't convince me otherwise.

[OTHstrong]

Prove it's 200 calories. In some people it's drastically more than that. In others it's less. You're trying to reduce a complicated organism like the human body to a single numeral. That's absurd in so many ways.

The muscle gained while on anabolic compounds not only affects fat loss it also has other effects. Faster protein synthesis. Quicker recovery. Higher oxygen intake in your muscle. More strength. Why the hell would people be on gear if it didn't affect their appearance drastically? The idea that juice has no effect on that is like saying driving a bike vs. a motorcycle isn't that big of a deal.

That is why all these dude with 12 inch arms are shredded and the dudes with boat loads of muscle that have 18 in arms a fat, ya because having muscle just melts fat off 

dont be so gullible mcfly

[ProudVirgin69]

I told you. There is no numerical figure. What I burn isn't what you'll burn.

I'm not going to argue this with you anymore. I know from experience being enhanced makes a difference. A big one. You won't convince me otherwise.

Concession accepted

[OTHstrong]

Your 'insults' don't bother me, as they're on the level of what people in junior high say to each other. So I'm not bothered in the least and definitely not intimidated. I've heard far worse on here.

I don't need to reread that thread because I remember it. It was just a day ago. And I didn't insult anyone. I just questioned some of the things you were saying. You have to learn to see the difference and not get so frustrated over everything.

^^^ what a rebel  

[ProudVirgin69]

^^^ what a rebel  

Watch out, he's got EXPERIENCE 

[OTHstrong]

Watch out, he's got EXPERIENCE 

[Icelord]

That is why all these dude with 12 inch arms are shredded and the dudes with boat loads of muscle that have 18 in arms a fat, ya because having muscle just melts fat off 

dont be so gullible mcfly

What the fuck is this supposed to mean?

[Icelord]

Watch out, he's got EXPERIENCE 

Do you? Doesn't look like it. Unless experience means running your mouth on the Internet.

[Icelord]

^^^ what a rebel  

Why do you cry?

[OTHstrong]

What the fuck is this supposed to mean?

it means if your theory is true there would be more big guys that are ripped but the opposite is true, the bigger you are the harder it is to get ripped, ask anyone.

[Icelord]

it means if your theory is true there would be more big guys that are ripped but the opposite is true, the bigger you are the harder it is to get ripped, ask anyone.

All the 'big' guys I've seen in gyms who are using steroids and/or GH and work out regularly on a diet are sub-10%. All the ones who aren't enhanced are over 10%, usually significantly so.

As for the ripped guys without much muscle, they're usually running a lighter cycle as well. Few are 100% natural.

So it goes back to my original point. Your comment that juice has no impact on fat loss is bullshit.

[OTHstrong]

All the 'big' guys I've seen in gyms who are using steroids and/or GH and work out regularly on a diet are sub-10%. All the ones who aren't enhanced are over 10%, usually significantly so.

As for the ripped guys without much muscle, they're usually running a lighter cycle as well. Few are 100% natural.

So it goes back to my original point. Your comment that juice has no impact on fat loss is bullshit.

dude heavy weight bodybuilders are smooth and they do the most gear, light heavies are a bit harder, middles are shredded and light weights are slice to shit.

give it up. You are not on gear and you are fat and that is why you have to use the excuse that your fat because you are a nutural, it justifies your lack of self control

[Simple Simon]

dude heavy weight bodybuilders are smooth and they do the most gear, light heavies are a bit harder, middles are shredded and light weights are slice to shit.

give it up. You are not on gear and you are fat and that is why you have to use the excuse that your fat because you are a nutural, it justifies your lack of self control

water retention maybe?

[Simple Simon]

My experience?
When on test alone Im pretty static weight and condition wise, when I add tren I get harder and lose fat, I dont really change my diet.

Just saying

[Icelord]

dude heavy weight bodybuilders are smooth and they do the most gear, light heavies are a bit harder, middles are shredded and light weights are slice to shit.

give it up. You are not on gear and you are fat and that is why you have to use the excuse that your fat because you are a nutural, it justifies your lack of self control

What do you have against fat people, assuming that's even true? (It isn't.)

You're showing your true colors here. You're not really trying to give anyone honest advice or share your experience to benefit their training/dieting. You're just here to troll and stoop to the lowest common denominator. It's why I can't take anything you say seriously. You're a fuckin' fraud. And everything you've said so far is contradicted by what most people know about drug use and its effects on muscle gain and fat loss.

[Icelord]

My experience?
When on test alone Im pretty static weight and condition wise, when I add tren I get harder and lose fat, I dont really change my diet.

Just saying

Same. Although I've lost fat with something as simple as a50 and winstrol while running low carb without changing calories or doing cardio.

[OTHstrong]

My experience?
When on test alone Im pretty static weight and condition wise, when I add tren I get harder and lose fat, I dont really change my diet.

Just saying

your appearance is more muscular because you added muscle, you do not lose fat from the compound, the tren makes you draw out a lot of water which gives the appearance of being 3% less bodyfat.

[Icelord]

your appearance is more muscular because you added muscle, you do not lose fat from the compound, the tren makes you draw out a lot of water which gives the appearance of being 3% less bodyfat.

More bullshit from a bullshit artist.