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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #75 on: May 01, 2014, 10:46:31 AM »
Yes she's swedish (Persian origin)

Im a brunettes kinda guy, a smokin hot brunette is hard to beat, they have a little more fire to them too, blondes a re a bit dull for me and with the influx of russian and eastern euros to London, they're one a penny.

I'm still with my spanishy moor brunette, she's staying at mine for a couple of weeks. She's getting domesticated and manages to cook me food despite her boobs getting in the way.



do the russian girls put out

ive heard they are quite traditional
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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #76 on: May 01, 2014, 11:19:54 AM »
Absolutely one of the best posts I have ever read on this board and absolutely spot on perfect analysis  which validates my real life experiences.

Ok totally agree about the muscle building part but you haven't mentioned anything about the other side of the equation and fat loss.

No question in my mind keeping calories up through high carbs and fat and moderate protein is gonna be best for building muscle but unfortunately it's also gonna make you fat too (at least me anyway)

So essentially are you saying bulking and then cutting theory best in the sense that you can't build muscle and lose fat same time without the trebolonas and T3?

I am guessing that's the case and why I mentioned above "let the drugs to the work"

Am I more or less correct in this?




Well I don't have first hand knowledge of PEDs but adding them into the mix is always going to change things somewhat. Most of the research on human metabolism is done on "natural" subjects - it has becomes more and more unethical to give people steroids etc and then studying how this effects muscle growth/fat loss while manipulating macronutrients/calories.

Speaking in very general terms, steroids will typically allow a user to grow new muscle tissue, at a MUCH faster rate. Because of the effect of androgens on decreasing adipose tissue and the fact that they cause increases in fat free mass, the big benefit of steroids is that they allow the user to get bigger without accumulating large amounts of fat. (A natural trainer will never weigh much over 220 and maintain a single digit body fat percentage.)

But this still only applies up to a point. To grow a serious amount of new muscle tissue, calories still are the limiting factor. I suppose it would be possible to gain only lean, fat free mass on drugs but it would be a very slow process and I don't think somebody can reach a truly impressive size (say over 220 pounds) without putting down thousands of calories daily.

So theoretically, while it is possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same with PEDs, the muscle gains won't be optimal and neither will the fat loss. It is equivalent to trying to please two masters at once. Logically, it makes sense to follow one goal at a time because ultimately, growing new tissue and breaking down existing tissue (regardless of the type of tissue) are polar opposite physiological processes. One is optimised during a calorie surplus; one during a calorie deficit.

The big benefit of anabolic steroids is that they allow you to gain relatively lean muscle when on a calorie surplus (especially compared to being natural) but perhaps more importantly, they allow you to retain muscle when losing fat. So yes I agree with you, bulking (not getting fat however) and cutting is probably the best way to get big and ripped. After all, its what the best bodybuilders in world have done.






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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2014, 11:30:25 AM »
Skorp picking up the flag that Galeniko left. Good on ya.

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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2014, 11:50:54 AM »


Just one thing you said which if you could elaborate on would be greatly appreciated:


How does one bulk without getting fat?? I mean so we know that you need to be in caloric surplus with vast majority of your calories coming from carbs and fats for optimal muscle tissue gain but the question naturally becomes to what extent should that caloric surplus be and how much without getting fat?

Is it essentially a case of monitoring your TDEE and adjusting accordingly up or down as needed?

Also do you give much weight to the notion that a 500 caloric surplus is "all you need" to build muscle because personally I find the whole 500 up or down figure to be total bullshit.

I mean I know for  a fact I put on muscle when eating in excess of 5000 calories daily and will generally lose weight at less than 2000 calories and that anything in between is essentially a waste of time either way depending on if I am dieting or bulking.

Do you believe your  metabolism has some kind of adaptive memory recall where after long time of yo yo dieting it essentially only responds to certain calorie based stimuli based on its previous thresholds and limits experienced?




the only people ive seen succesfully bulk

is very lean guys growing when they take gear

im never bulking again you just get fat and water with a little bit of mucle
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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2014, 11:54:36 AM »
'My dream body come true!?' Guy must have a subscription to Tiger Beat.   ::)

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2014, 11:54:41 AM »
junior i sent you a message once on bulking, remember when you or your buddies decided to post the pictures in the pm ::)


that was the best advice straight from a top  amateur

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #81 on: May 01, 2014, 11:57:50 AM »
It's been reported that Casey viator said mentzer took over two grams of deca a week, a lot of primo as we'll, and dbol.
Believable to me.

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #82 on: May 01, 2014, 11:58:59 AM »
It's been reported that Casey viator said mentzer took over two grams of deca a week, a lot of primo as we'll, and dbol.
Believable to me.
i think 3 grams of injectable steroid is a good starting point, i gather this from BFG information and Bigro also said he was a 3 gram physique

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #83 on: May 01, 2014, 12:03:45 PM »
MY 2 cents if you ever been contest shaped and will continue to compete at higher levels then you have to let go of the 'lean'mindset and plan your bulk/contest look/maintence look accordingly.if your done with it all and want to be built for yourself try to stay lean not contest lean that's impossible but 6/8 pct comfortably for most yr a never above 10/12 zone if you want to let go for few months of the yr..the hardest thing to accept if you competed is that its not worth looking that without doing something to show for it and its painful too see pics of yourself looking insane 'peeled'and not being able to stay there due to overeating just a bit sacrifices condition.keep abs all yr if you could and bring it down in warmer months to get that little bit more tightness.there is no offseason normally if you don't compete.

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #84 on: May 01, 2014, 12:11:41 PM »
I just think it's not a coincidence, all the top bber on getbig dont believe in "bulking" and this guy I told you about also doesn't


they all say the same "get your quality nutrition in, train hard but smart, blast and cruise never come off unless because of health concerns"


good luck junior :-D

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #85 on: May 01, 2014, 12:19:07 PM »
Thanks Halo anyway I am not gonna anymore bulk for now, I am gonna diet hard cos its summer and I don't want to look like shit in July.

But in off season next year I am gonna try and put on like 30-40lb of pure muscle taking shit loads of steroids.

I think I am starting to get bigorexia.  ;D

If you take in your proteins, and your steroids you can grow the same muscles as you would while stuffing your face with mcdonalds

at least those are my sentiments truly indeed

ronnie coleman is very clear on this

PROTEIN IS WHAT BUILD MUSCLE (eats 500-600 grams per day)

you dont hear him talking about calories

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #86 on: May 01, 2014, 12:33:59 PM »

I can't even fucking eat 200g protein (unless its from whey protein drinks) without wanting to through up.

I can eat  Nandos 1 x Double Breast Burger, 5-10 Chicken Wings and Half Chicken + like 3 Protein Shakes that's about it.

I think this put me on about 250-300 protein for day I am guessing and rest can come from other things.


 
this is problematic, you gotta get used to eating chicken breasts and steaks if you wanna get big  ;D

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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #87 on: May 01, 2014, 01:36:51 PM »


How does one bulk without getting fat?? I mean so we know that you need to be in caloric surplus with vast majority of your calories coming from carbs and fats for optimal muscle tissue gain but the question naturally becomes to what extent should that caloric surplus be and how much without getting fat?

Is it essentially a case of monitoring your TDEE and adjusting accordingly up or down as needed?


Well, firstly just to clear one thing up. "Bulking" is an awful word that creates an image of a bloated sweathog who walks around panting wearing sweatpants all the time. Its not what I mean. I don't really mean bulking I simply mean eating more calories than you burn on a daily (or weekly) basis.

It is possible to gain muscle without getting fat. Now, some fat accumulation is okay and lets be honest, much of what you might think is fat is actually water retention, especially if you're on steroids as well. The simple fact is that much of it comes to down to genetics and response to training, diet and drugs. Some people may need 5000 calories to grow; others may only need 3000. The key is finding your sweet spot: getting away with the least amount of calories needed to grow while minimising fat gain. This can only be discovered through trial and error. It takes time and patience. It depends on your lifestyle, activity levels outside of the gym, training style (e.g. volume, intensity), cardio, food choices, natural frame and structure, metabolism, drug use etc. There are so many variables. Remember, we are taking about physiological processes occurring. Think about it - you're body is literally growing new tissue. Living cells that never existed before. This takes time and it takes energy. It takes amino acids, fatty acids and calories.

If you take in your proteins, and your steroids you can grow the same muscles as you would while stuffing your face with mcdonalds

at least those are my sentiments truly indeed

ronnie coleman is very clear on this

PROTEIN IS WHAT BUILD MUSCLE (eats 500-600 grams per day)

you dont hear him talking about calories

Think about how many calories that is?! 2400 calories from protein alone. I know for sure that he always ate his grits and cheese and baked potatoes on top of all that chicken, even pre-contest. I would guess he ate at least 4000 calories a day and this was in the lead up to the Olympia when he was 100% focused on losing fat.

But you're right, protein is of course necessary for new muscle growth. I think protein should be a foundational part of your diet - every meal should be built around a protein source. But lets look at some of the facts:

-1 pound of human skeletal muscle tissue contains roughly 100 grams of protein. That is not much, when you consider some eat 500 grams a day. No way can your body knit together 5 pounds of muscle in 24 hours!
- The process of new tissue growth and protein synthesis requires energy. ATP. Now, you get this ATP from the breakdown of energy molecules (glucose, fatty acids). Your body can get this energy from amino acids too but it is an inefficient process.
-Think about the composition of muscle tissue. It is essentially a collection of myocytes (muscle cells). Every cell is surrounded by a membrane. Cell membranes are composed of lipids. Fatty acids.
-The hormonal system plays a huge role in the formation of new tissue. Regardless of drug use, new muscle tissue won't grow unless testosterone and other hormones are active. And the bodies entire hormonal system is lipid based and requires energy to function optimally.
-Lets not forget about training. Carbs are the bodies preferred energy source for intense activity. You need carbs and/or fats to have any kind of decent training session.


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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #88 on: May 01, 2014, 01:39:00 PM »
science and bodybuilding are parallel universes



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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #89 on: May 01, 2014, 01:42:18 PM »
do the russian girls put out

ive heard they are quite traditional

Correct, but there's a big but. Traditional as in they act conservative in public...despite turning up to a date wearing the shortest and tightest mini skirt ever. You have to be careful with sexting, had a girl snap at me big time over a sexual comment yet two nights before I was going balls deep in her butt-hole....gaping it like the Panama canal.

So all in all keep it lady like until it's bedroom time (very open minded in bed) hit it hard but don't talk about it.
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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #90 on: May 01, 2014, 01:49:52 PM »
science and bodybuilding are parallel universes




 ;D They really are, its amazing how the body actually makes new fucking living matter, simply because you move a weight in some range of motion repeatedly.

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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2014, 07:38:24 PM »
Ron can see my ip addy so he knows that I reside in Australia.  Showing him your phone bill with a UK number on it means that someone you know called you.  You are wasting your time if you think that people here will believe your lies in regards to saying that I am not behind my account.  I already proved it by posting the pic with "Hi Bigmc" and the current date.  


say hi to Deirdre for me.



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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #92 on: May 03, 2014, 07:52:43 PM »
say hi to Deirdre for me.




This place really has got more and more stupid.

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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #93 on: May 03, 2014, 07:57:45 PM »
Ron, Ron - look - she called me Ron....  ::)  ::)



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Re: This is my dream body come true.
« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2014, 08:09:55 PM »

Wow this is pure fucking gold and makes so much sense.

In all honesty where I had the most success previously (bearing in mind I was natty back then) was when I upped both my calorie intake AS WELL AS substantially upping my TDEE and activity levels. That combination seems to work well for me.

Example of this would be get up in the morning and go run hard for hour or so. Walk around a bunch or as much as I can during the day + weight train for couple hour in the evening while eating say 5000-600 calories a day with 50% carbs, 30% protein, 20% fats.

This combo makes me end up fuller and looking leaner.



Fuller and leaner?

You look like shit. You look like a part-time NYC cabbie. It doesn't look like you've touched a weight in your life.

For christ's sake, you'd suck a cock for acceptance here.

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2014, 08:18:17 PM »
I believe Mike Mentzer had the baddest, most manly build to ever in his day. He was thick but still ripped and just looked like a powerful man all around. One of the best physiques ever in my opinion!

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2014, 08:34:19 PM »
Mentzer's build was superb and his method of training makes sense, but will it make muscle?  I believe so.  But one has to take into account that Mentzer (by his own admission) took drugs to achieve his physique.

I have begun to train according to the way Mentzer advocated in his final book which I recently bought.  I am in the second week of an experiment of sorts in physical culture and that being can I maintain my current physique  or even experience increases in muscular size and strength following Mentzer's protocol. 

If it works, then it works for me but may not for others.  If not, that  doesn't mean it won't work for someone else. 

Good luck.

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2014, 08:51:13 PM »
science and bodybuilding are parallel universes





It's funny how you prefer to spew shit... but not always.

You seem to revel in the fact that you are indeed (by default) the Village Idiot.


Now, go pat yourself on the back.


I don't even know why I don't dislike you. It's like ... feeling sorry for someone in spite of themselves.



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« Reply #98 on: May 03, 2014, 09:33:38 PM »
Although Mentzer took some liberties with his reasoning, this idea is generally correct and is something that the majority of people who train for muscle growth don't realise:

Calories are the most important dietary factor in growing new muscle tissue, not protein. The total amount of protein needed to build a pound of new muscle tissue is FAR LESS than people believe. However it takes several thousand SURPLUS calories to fuel the metabolic processes involved in the formation of new skeletal muscle.

What typically happens with most bodybuilders is they dump excess protein into the system (e.g. several hundred grams per day) and eat too few carbs and especially too few fats. The body converts this excess protein into glucose and essentially uses it for energy. The problem with this approach is that this is an extremely inefficient way for the body to create energy. Carbs and fats are much better and more accessible forms of energy.

The most logical and efficient approach is to consume protein carbs AND fat. Unfortunately people are either high fat/zero carb or high carb/zero fat, when really moderate amounts of the two nutrients, along with protein, is the best way for lean muscle growth.
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Melkor, I ask with all due respect please explain urself....
You said specifically and I quote through the magic of copy and paste:  "The body converts this excess protein into glucose and essentially uses it for energy."  As someone with 2 Master's degrees and working on doctorate, I am curious to the scientific validity or what research u can claim that backs up ur statement (as was Professor I asked about this). Your opinion is seemingly a scientific impossibility, how and when can a human body change macro nutrients and/or protein??!!!??

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Re: This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer
« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2014, 09:36:34 PM »

It's funny how you prefer to spew shit... but not always.

You seem to revel in the fact that you are indeed (by default) the Village Idiot.


Now, go pat yourself on the back.


I don't even know why I don't dislike you. It's like ... feeling sorry for someone in spite of themselves.





Kind Dianabol really gets under your skin.

I dont think he means to, but he has you wrapped around his finger. Your head is essentially in his asshole.