This is my dream body come true - to look like Mike Mentzer

[Submissionfytr]

I messed up the quote function  here is my question:

Melkor, I ask with all due respect please explain urself....
You said specifically and I quote through the magic of copy and paste:  "The body converts this excess protein into glucose and essentially uses it for energy."  As someone with 2 Master's degrees and working on doctorate, I am curious to the scientific validity or what research u can claim that backs up ur statement (as was Professor I asked about this). Your opinion is seemingly a scientific impossibility, how and when can a human body change macro nutrients and/or protein??!!!??  This is scientific impossibility and want to know how u can think otherwise? 
Thank you

[ProudVirgin69]

I messed up the quote function  here is my question:

Melkor, I ask with all due respect please explain urself....
You said specifically and I quote through the magic of copy and paste:  "The body converts this excess protein into glucose and essentially uses it for energy."  As someone with 2 Master's degrees and working on doctorate, I am curious to the scientific validity or what research u can claim that backs up ur statement (as was Professor I asked about this). Your opinion is seemingly a scientific impossibility, how and when can a human body change macro nutrients and/or protein??!!!??  This is scientific impossibility and want to know how u can think otherwise? 
Thank you

Gluconeogenesis

[visualizeperfection]

I messed up the quote function  here is my question:

Melkor, I ask with all due respect please explain urself....
You said specifically and I quote through the magic of copy and paste:  "The body converts this excess protein into glucose and essentially uses it for energy."  As someone with 2 Master's degrees and working on doctorate, I am curious to the scientific validity or what research u can claim that backs up ur statement (as was Professor I asked about this). Your opinion is seemingly a scientific impossibility, how and when can a human body change macro nutrients and/or protein??!!!??  This is scientific impossibility and want to know how u can think otherwise? 
Thank you

oh boy, science.


you think science is your ally, you merely adopted the science, i was born in it, molded by it.

i didnt see the bro-science till I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding

[Van_Bilderass]

Mentzer could calculate how many grams of protein are in a pound of muscle but you
can't use that number to calculate how many extra grams of dietary protein you need to build
an additional pound of muscle. It's a bit more complex than that.

I think Mentzer's diet was probably quite suboptimal. When I look at for example the 80 Olympia pics he looks pretty small... my hunch is that he could have been bigger/better if not for the extremely low calorie, low protein diet eating "whatever" combined with amphetamines.

[Disgusted]

It's been reported that Casey viator said mentzer took over two grams of deca a week, a lot of primo as we'll, and dbol.
Believable to me.

Exactly what I heard from a reliable source for what it's worth. The kind of size that these guys had back then from using only anabolics would require a decently high dose regardless. To a degree size is relative to the dose you take. 100 mg Dbol daily was common btw.

[Disgusted]

Although Mentzer took some liberties with his reasoning, this idea is generally correct and is something that the majority of people who train for muscle growth don't realise:

Calories are the most important dietary factor in growing new muscle tissue, not protein. The total amount of protein needed to build a pound of new muscle tissue is FAR LESS than people believe. However it takes several thousand SURPLUS calories to fuel the metabolic processes involved in the formation of new skeletal muscle.

What typically happens with most bodybuilders is they dump excess protein into the system (e.g. several hundred grams per day) and eat too few carbs and especially too few fats. The body converts this excess protein into glucose and essentially uses it for energy. The problem with this approach is that this is an extremely inefficient way for the body to create energy. Carbs and fats are much better and more accessible forms of energy.

The most logical and efficient approach is to consume protein carbs AND fat. Unfortunately people are either high fat/zero carb or high carb/zero fat, when really moderate amounts of the two nutrients, along with protein, is the best way for lean muscle growth.

Gonna disagree on this. Protein is the most important factor in muscle growth regardless of what amount is needed to build new muscle which as you say is not as much as people think. Calories are needed to sustain the overall bodily functions that happen on a daily basis. When dieting for a show with zero carbs your body will convert some protein into the small amount of glucose that is needed for brain function and the rest of the energy will come from stored fat which is why the body stores it in the first place. It's very simple, supply your body with the necessary amount of protein say 1 gram per pound and the rest can come from fat. That in combination with a calorie deficit will equal fat loss. 

[Chadwick The Beta]

This place really has got more and more stupid.

Meanwhile, you've just gotten older and more desperate for attention.

[booty]

say hi to Deirdre for me.

Why do you want me to say Hi to your mum?

[booty]

Meanwhile, you've just gotten older and more desperate for attention.

Its strange that you would bring your fixation of hotdogs covered in crap on here.  Why do you keep projecting images of you and your boyfriends last encounter ?

[Cleanest Natural]

Correct, but there's a big but. Traditional as in they act conservative in public...despite turning up to a date wearing the shortest and tightest mini skirt ever. You have to be careful with sexting, had a girl snap at me big time over a sexual comment yet two nights before I was going balls deep in her butt-hole....gaping it like the Panama canal.

So all in all keep it lady like until it's bedroom time (very open minded in bed) hit it hard but don't talk about it.

I agree .. it's quite common in eastern europe .. sexting dirty can offend some right after dirty sex the previous time.. it's "demeaning" to them .. weird ..

[Chadwick The Beta]

Its strange that you would bring your fixation of hotdogs covered in crap on here.  Why do you keep projecting images of you and your boyfriends last encounter ?

You must have been up all night coming up with that gem.   

Why do you keep denying your role in certain people's deaths?  How is Ms. Comerford, by the way? 

[Viking11]

Mentzer didnt eat "whatever".  He liked food, but due to a very slow metabolism, had to diet very hard to get ripped. He attributed it to bulking up too much in his teens- at 17 hit 250 lbs, able to squat 500 and bench 450. Even when he was just training people, He was eating fairly basically, when I was around him, one lunch was turkey sub- no cheese, not chips. Dinner was Chinese delivery or such. Fairly low fat, medium protein. I also heard he could devour a 7 lb lobster. Missed that one, dammit!
He would typically eat his carbs early, train, and the rest of the day  was chicken,, turkey, fruit.

[oldtimer1]

When he was making his recovery from mental illness and his speed addiction he began coming up with new training philosophies. The routines he now endorsed looked nothing like how he trained at his peak. If you want to know how he trained I could fill you in but it's to much to write now.

It's interesting how the majority of personal trainers belief in short circuit training. Train a client in 20 minutes and see them 4 days later. I have yet to see a volume personal trainer.

[The Scott]

When he was making his recovery from mental illness and his speed addiction he began coming up with new training philosophies. The routines he now endorsed looked nothing like how he trained at his peak. If you want to know how he trained I could fill you in but it's to much to write now.

It's interesting how the majority of personal trainers belief in short circuit training. Train a client in 20 minutes and see them 4 days later. I have yet to see a volume personal trainer.

What is you say has a great deal of validity to it.  Mentzer"s best results on HIT were done in the late '70s on a four day a week training schedule.  I have tried that in the '70s and again somewhat recently but it has proven too much for me personally.   I have begun training as he advocated in his final book, in my case every 72 to 96 hours and I will have to give it a fair test to see how it works for me.

His philosophy regarding lifting is sound, especially so if you are natural and if you are on AAS it probably would work even better.

"Finishing touch" and all...

What Mike did for many of us is give us the hope of a decent physique as well as a real life outside the gym. From the mid '70s on I trained (sometimes) twice a day, six days a week.  That's not only a lot, but too much.  I woke up one day and realized that my dream of being a Mr. America was ridiculous and costly to my own success.  I decided it would be better to pursue a life than a dream represented by a plastic trophy.

Maybe it's true that I didn't have what it takes, but it's even more appropriate to say that lifting took from me more than it gave and all because of the time involved.  It's not that volume is "bad" and HIT "good" or that one or the other is right or wrong, but instead what is true for each person.  I will say it's difficult not to train on "off" days but I truly want to give this method a chance and so am sticking to the schedule as outlined.

Now, more than ever, I prefer to have a life and the time needed to actually live (and enjoy) it. 

[Wiggs]

Gentlemen, I'd like to hear about Mentzer's real training principles when you get the time. Thanks.

[oldtimer1]

Gentlemen, I'd like to hear about Mentzer's real training principles when you get the time. Thanks.

I trained with Mentzer methods for decades. Mainly variations of how Mike actually trained at his peak. He won the Weider version of the Mr.America using a whole body routine. He used a mixture of Nautilus and free weights. Roughly 5 sets per bodypart. Some pre exhaustion techniques. He eventually when to a split because he said training the whole body in one shot was too hard.

From there he went to working out 4 days a week training body parts twice a week. The split was legs, chest and triceps on one day. The next was back, delt and biceps. He used from 3 to 6 sets per body part. Something like triceps after warm up could be 2 sets of weighted dips and then 2 sets of pushdowns. Generally it was Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday he alternated the split. He would be the first to say nothing was written in stone regarding workout days so if he needed an extra day off he would take it.

At the end of his competition days he did his take on Mr. Florida Frank Calta's rotation for recuperation method.  On Monday he would do legs, chest and tricep. On Wednesday it was back, delts and biceps. On Friday he was back to legs, chest and tricep with weekends off. The next week he would reverse the order starting Monday with back, delts and biceps. So body parts either got one direct day a week or two depending on the rotation.

I used his rotation method during my early 20's. The low sets, generally two work sets of an exercise and 3 to 6 sets a body part training to failure was really hard work. I made really good gains in strength and build. I was always the Mentzer follower at the gym while everyone else used volume.

[SilverSpoon]

This pic of Mike is unreal.

Mike and former IFBB head judge, Roger Schwab.