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My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
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Have you ever gotten up in the middle of the night and absolutely had to have cheesecake? Ever had your pregnant spouse beg you to get her pickles and cheese to go with a peanut butter and banana sandwich? Food cravings are one thing  almost every human has experienced. One of the most common theories as to why this is the case is that humans crave food that contains nutrients our bodies are short on.


Due to the complexity of how the human body regulates hunger and the potential for individuals to have abnormalities in those mechanisms, so far science has been unable to absolutely prove why we get specific cravings at specific times. That being said, while science hasn’t been able to prove the reason for certain cravings, it has been able to disprove certain theories as to the cause.  So to answer your specific question, numerous studies have shown food cravings have nothing to do with nutrient levels within your body (except for rare cases, like a disorder known as Pica, where the body craves dirt or clay in response to low levels of iron or zinc. Since no one I know has ever craved dirt at 2am, I will focus on the average person and leave Pica to the Bonus Facts below).


So if it’s not that your body is looking for certain nutrients, why do we crave odd, specific things sometimes?  The current most accepted theory as to why we crave what we do is that humans crave foods as a result of a complex web of psychological, social and cultural factors that can be powerfully motivated by environmental cues. Sounds like a bit of a cop-out answer, I know.  But let’s look at some specific examples to try to make it more clear.


Take for example that American women list chocolate as the #1 food most craved. (Incidentally, Japanese women listed sushi as their number 1.)  50% of US women say their chocolate cravings are the strongest at the outset of their period. If this was caused by nutritional deficiencies, you would assume those cravings would drop off after menopause or in the short term once the specific nutrient intake was sufficient. A 2009 survey found this wasn’t the case. So why the craving for chocolate during a period?  The more likely cause of this craving is thought to be “feel-good” neurotransmitters in the brain, like serotonin, that are released after eating sweets and carbohydrates. While I’m not a woman, I can only assume if I was on my period, I would want a little “feel-good” dessert to go with my main course of cramps, headaches, and feeling bloated.


This same type of thing can be seen in numerous types of cravings for specific foods. To understand why, let’s look at what things actually control normal hunger.  Normal hunger is regulated by an intricate system of hormones and neurotransmitters that play different roles in our body’s normal processes. For the most part, it’s controlled by the release of hormones from the hypothalamus in the brain and a circulating hormone released by fat cells known as leptin.


The feeling of hunger can be preceded by a few different things such as an increase in insulin causing a decrease in blood sugar. Studies have shown that a drop of around 10% in blood glucose levels will precede almost every meal. The release of a hormone known as ghrelin will also cause hunger. Stimulants known as neuropeptide Y and anandamide also make you want to snack, particularly anandamide binds to canabanoid receptors- the same ones that give you the munchies if you smoke Marijuana.


To combat the need to gorge yourself on bon-bons, the body’s main mechanism for telling you you’re full is the release of leptin. Leptin counteracts the effects of neuropeptide Y and anandamide. It also helps in the production of another appetite suppressant known as alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone. As you might expect from this, the absence of normal leptin levels has been shown to result in massive overeating and severe obesity. Another hormone that suppresses hunger is cholecystokinin. This also stimulates the body to digest fats and proteins.


Whether stimulating or inhibiting hunger, the overall drive for you to want to eat can be regulated in part by any one of these mechanisms. The abnormal production or inhibition of them can also result in different eating patterns.


A chemical consequence of eating different types of foods also plays a role in how much we eat. As I mentioned earlier, eating different foods can cause the release of “feel-good” neurotransmitters within the brain. The result can cause almost addiction-like behavior in the way we eat.  For instance, eating proteins will result in an amino acid called tyrosine. This helps the production of dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. Dopamine is responsible for reward driven learning within the brain.


Eating carbohydrates like sugars, breads and pasta’s will trigger an increase in the production of insulin. The resulting insulin levels help clear out some amino acids within the bloodstream. What is left is an amino acid called tryptophan. This gets converted to serotonin within the brain. Serotonin helps with the feeling of well being and happiness. It’s also the neurotransmitter that some anti-depressants try to affect.


As mentioned before, pregnant women are socially seen as the biggest recipients of cravings because of “needing certain nutrients”. But rather than actually being short on specific nutrients from the food, the cause appears to be the same as the above.  Women who are pregnant have widely differing levels of hormones compared to when they aren’t pregnant. These hormones result in heightened senses of smell and taste, among other things. Differing levels of hormones that might produce the feeling of hunger aside, it’s because of these heightened senses that it is thought certain foods and odors can be more enticing or offensive.  In turn, this can aid in craving certain things, sometimes things that when they aren’t pregnant they wouldn’t ever want to eat, but while pregnant at times find to be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet.


The ancillary evidence that cravings come from these complex hormonal and neurotransmitter mediated mechanisms, and not nutritional needs, can be found in the amount and type of cravings we get. One study in 2004 showed that groups of people who were forced to consume only a non-appetizing vanilla flavored protein drink for 5 days actually craved the same drink once they were allowed to begin eating a normal diet again. Eating high amounts of foods that stimulate our reward centers, will cause the normal processes that stimulate those same centers to decrease production in an attempt not to overload our bodies. The result is the same type of tolerance certain drug users feel. Eventually, just eating one chocolate bar doesn’t suppress your craving, and before you know it, you’ve scarfed down an entire bag of Hershey’s Kisses just to feel normal again. Ah, the hunger-fix of a chocoholic is revealed! The more of anything you eat will, in turn, make you crave that same thing even more.


So the next time you see a pregnant lady eating a pickle and cheese sandwich and washing it down with a cool glass of grapefruit juice, rest assured, it’s most likely hormones and neurotransmitters going wild within her body, and not that her body is necessarily short on any specific nutrient in those items.  If you want to curb cravings, following the postulate “everything in moderation” can be helpful.  So can exercise.  Eat right and workout- the best way to both increase your probable life span and improve your long term quality of life.  Seriously, go eat some fresh veggies and do a little cardio.  Elderly you will thank you and in a lot of cases, even present day you will relatively quickly see some benefits.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 12:44:49 PM »
Awesome info right there buddie.  8)

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 12:46:30 PM »


Have you ever gotten up in the middle of the night and absolutely had to have cheesecake? Ever had your pregnant spouse beg you to get her pickles and cheese to go with a peanut butter and banana sandwich? Food cravings are one thing  almost every human has experienced. One of the most common theories as to why this is the case is that humans crave food that contains nutrients our bodies are short on.


Due to the complexity of how the human body regulates hunger and the potential for individuals to have abnormalities in those mechanisms, so far science has been unable to absolutely prove why we get specific cravings at specific times. That being said, while science hasn’t been able to prove the reason for certain cravings, it has been able to disprove certain theories as to the cause.  So to answer your specific question, numerous studies have shown food cravings have nothing to do with nutrient levels within your body (except for rare cases, like a disorder known as Pica, where the body craves dirt or clay in response to low levels of iron or zinc. Since no one I know has ever craved dirt at 2am, I will focus on the average person and leave Pica to the Bonus Facts below).


So if it’s not that your body is looking for certain nutrients, why do we crave odd, specific things sometimes?  The current most accepted theory as to why we crave what we do is that humans crave foods as a result of a complex web of psychological, social and cultural factors that can be powerfully motivated by environmental cues. Sounds like a bit of a cop-out answer, I know.  But let’s look at some specific examples to try to make it more clear.


Take for example that American women list chocolate as the #1 food most craved. (Incidentally, Japanese women listed sushi as their number 1.)  50% of US women say their chocolate cravings are the strongest at the outset of their period. If this was caused by nutritional deficiencies, you would assume those cravings would drop off after menopause or in the short term once the specific nutrient intake was sufficient. A 2009 survey found this wasn’t the case. So why the craving for chocolate during a period?  The more likely cause of this craving is thought to be “feel-good” neurotransmitters in the brain, like serotonin, that are released after eating sweets and carbohydrates. While I’m not a woman, I can only assume if I was on my period, I would want a little “feel-good” dessert to go with my main course of cramps, headaches, and feeling bloated.


This same type of thing can be seen in numerous types of cravings for specific foods. To understand why, let’s look at what things actually control normal hunger.  Normal hunger is regulated by an intricate system of hormones and neurotransmitters that play different roles in our body’s normal processes. For the most part, it’s controlled by the release of hormones from the hypothalamus in the brain and a circulating hormone released by fat cells known as leptin.


The feeling of hunger can be preceded by a few different things such as an increase in insulin causing a decrease in blood sugar. Studies have shown that a drop of around 10% in blood glucose levels will precede almost every meal. The release of a hormone known as ghrelin will also cause hunger. Stimulants known as neuropeptide Y and anandamide also make you want to snack, particularly anandamide binds to canabanoid receptors- the same ones that give you the munchies if you smoke Marijuana.


To combat the need to gorge yourself on bon-bons, the body’s main mechanism for telling you you’re full is the release of leptin. Leptin counteracts the effects of neuropeptide Y and anandamide. It also helps in the production of another appetite suppressant known as alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone. As you might expect from this, the absence of normal leptin levels has been shown to result in massive overeating and severe obesity. Another hormone that suppresses hunger is cholecystokinin. This also stimulates the body to digest fats and proteins.


Whether stimulating or inhibiting hunger, the overall drive for you to want to eat can be regulated in part by any one of these mechanisms. The abnormal production or inhibition of them can also result in different eating patterns.


A chemical consequence of eating different types of foods also plays a role in how much we eat. As I mentioned earlier, eating different foods can cause the release of “feel-good” neurotransmitters within the brain. The result can cause almost addiction-like behavior in the way we eat.  For instance, eating proteins will result in an amino acid called tyrosine. This helps the production of dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. Dopamine is responsible for reward driven learning within the brain.


Eating carbohydrates like sugars, breads and pasta’s will trigger an increase in the production of insulin. The resulting insulin levels help clear out some amino acids within the bloodstream. What is left is an amino acid called tryptophan. This gets converted to serotonin within the brain. Serotonin helps with the feeling of well being and happiness. It’s also the neurotransmitter that some anti-depressants try to affect.


As mentioned before, pregnant women are socially seen as the biggest recipients of cravings because of “needing certain nutrients”. But rather than actually being short on specific nutrients from the food, the cause appears to be the same as the above.  Women who are pregnant have widely differing levels of hormones compared to when they aren’t pregnant. These hormones result in heightened senses of smell and taste, among other things. Differing levels of hormones that might produce the feeling of hunger aside, it’s because of these heightened senses that it is thought certain foods and odors can be more enticing or offensive.  In turn, this can aid in craving certain things, sometimes things that when they aren’t pregnant they wouldn’t ever want to eat, but while pregnant at times find to be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet.


The ancillary evidence that cravings come from these complex hormonal and neurotransmitter mediated mechanisms, and not nutritional needs, can be found in the amount and type of cravings we get. One study in 2004 showed that groups of people who were forced to consume only a non-appetizing vanilla flavored protein drink for 5 days actually craved the same drink once they were allowed to begin eating a normal diet again. Eating high amounts of foods that stimulate our reward centers, will cause the normal processes that stimulate those same centers to decrease production in an attempt not to overload our bodies. The result is the same type of tolerance certain drug users feel. Eventually, just eating one chocolate bar doesn’t suppress your craving, and before you know it, you’ve scarfed down an entire bag of Hershey’s Kisses just to feel normal again. Ah, the hunger-fix of a chocoholic is revealed! The more of anything you eat will, in turn, make you crave that same thing even more.


So the next time you see a pregnant lady eating a pickle and cheese sandwich and washing it down with a cool glass of grapefruit juice, rest assured, it’s most likely hormones and neurotransmitters going wild within her body, and not that her body is necessarily short on any specific nutrient in those items.  If you want to curb cravings, following the postulate “everything in moderation” can be helpful.  So can exercise.  Eat right and workout- the best way to both increase your probable life span and improve your long term quality of life.  Seriously, go eat some fresh veggies and do a little cardio.  Elderly you will thank you and in a lot of cases, even present day you will relatively quickly see some benefits.

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 12:46:47 PM »
wow, what a thought provoking and informative post.

I'm going to spend a few hours researching that and get back with my thoughts.

I wish we had more threads like this on getbig.

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2014, 12:47:30 PM »
wow, what a thought provoking and informative post.

I'm going to spend a few hours researching that and get back with my thoughts.

I wish we had more threads like this on getbig.

thanks bro

I put a lot of time into that post

im hoping it will spark a real debate on the issue
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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2014, 12:48:47 PM »
thanks bro

I put a lot of time into that post

im hoping it will spark a real debate on the issue
i can tell, your grammar and syntax are excellent

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2014, 12:49:40 PM »
It's refreshing to read such an articulate, well researched original post.


Clearly anyone who makes a post of this quality is an asset to the board and should post a lot more.


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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2014, 12:52:39 PM »
It's refreshing to read such an articulate, well researched original post.


Clearly anyone who makes a post of this quality is an asset to the board and should post a lot more.



thanks bro

means a lot
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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2014, 12:57:32 PM »
Hahahahaha!!!! Now that is what I am talking about.

That was very funny.

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2014, 12:58:55 PM »
Hahahahaha!!!! Now that is what I am talking about.

That was very funny.

you should read it

and construct a copy and paste well thought out reply
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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2014, 12:59:09 PM »
I've read it two times already in case I missed something. One of the best topics of 2014 so far.  8) Not anyone can come up with stuff like this.

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2014, 12:59:54 PM »
Hahahahaha!!!! Now that is what I am talking about.

That was very funny.

What?  ???

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2014, 01:04:21 PM »
Damn good info Mac,thanks for sharing it with the rest of the board.....mighty nice of you to do so.

I`m gonna` have to re-read these nuggets of gold several times over just to ensure that I absorb all of the vital info.

Thanks again brother! 



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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2014, 01:06:03 PM »
Again,damn good thread!


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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2014, 01:08:52 PM »


Have you ever gotten up in the middle of the night and absolutely had to have cheesecake? Ever had your pregnant spouse beg you to get her pickles and cheese to go with a peanut butter and banana sandwich? Food cravings are one thing  almost every human has experienced. One of the most common theories as to why this is the case is that humans crave food that contains nutrients our bodies are short on.


Due to the complexity of how the human body regulates hunger and the potential for individuals to have abnormalities in those mechanisms, so far science has been unable to absolutely prove why we get specific cravings at specific times. That being said, while science hasn’t been able to prove the reason for certain cravings, it has been able to disprove certain theories as to the cause.  So to answer your specific question, numerous studies have shown food cravings have nothing to do with nutrient levels within your body (except for rare cases, like a disorder known as Pica, where the body craves dirt or clay in response to low levels of iron or zinc. Since no one I know has ever craved dirt at 2am, I will focus on the average person and leave Pica to the Bonus Facts below).


So if it’s not that your body is looking for certain nutrients, why do we crave odd, specific things sometimes?  The current most accepted theory as to why we crave what we do is that humans crave foods as a result of a complex web of psychological, social and cultural factors that can be powerfully motivated by environmental cues. Sounds like a bit of a cop-out answer, I know.  But let’s look at some specific examples to try to make it more clear.


Take for example that American women list chocolate as the #1 food most craved. (Incidentally, Japanese women listed sushi as their number 1.)  50% of US women say their chocolate cravings are the strongest at the outset of their period. If this was caused by nutritional deficiencies, you would assume those cravings would drop off after menopause or in the short term once the specific nutrient intake was sufficient. A 2009 survey found this wasn’t the case. So why the craving for chocolate during a period?  The more likely cause of this craving is thought to be “feel-good” neurotransmitters in the brain, like serotonin, that are released after eating sweets and carbohydrates. While I’m not a woman, I can only assume if I was on my period, I would want a little “feel-good” dessert to go with my main course of cramps, headaches, and feeling bloated.


This same type of thing can be seen in numerous types of cravings for specific foods. To understand why, let’s look at what things actually control normal hunger.  Normal hunger is regulated by an intricate system of hormones and neurotransmitters that play different roles in our body’s normal processes. For the most part, it’s controlled by the release of hormones from the hypothalamus in the brain and a circulating hormone released by fat cells known as leptin.


The feeling of hunger can be preceded by a few different things such as an increase in insulin causing a decrease in blood sugar. Studies have shown that a drop of around 10% in blood glucose levels will precede almost every meal. The release of a hormone known as ghrelin will also cause hunger. Stimulants known as neuropeptide Y and anandamide also make you want to snack, particularly anandamide binds to canabanoid receptors- the same ones that give you the munchies if you smoke Marijuana.


To combat the need to gorge yourself on bon-bons, the body’s main mechanism for telling you you’re full is the release of leptin. Leptin counteracts the effects of neuropeptide Y and anandamide. It also helps in the production of another appetite suppressant known as alpha-melanocyte-stimulating hormone. As you might expect from this, the absence of normal leptin levels has been shown to result in massive overeating and severe obesity. Another hormone that suppresses hunger is cholecystokinin. This also stimulates the body to digest fats and proteins.


Whether stimulating or inhibiting hunger, the overall drive for you to want to eat can be regulated in part by any one of these mechanisms. The abnormal production or inhibition of them can also result in different eating patterns.


A chemical consequence of eating different types of foods also plays a role in how much we eat. As I mentioned earlier, eating different foods can cause the release of “feel-good” neurotransmitters within the brain. The result can cause almost addiction-like behavior in the way we eat.  For instance, eating proteins will result in an amino acid called tyrosine. This helps the production of dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine. Dopamine is responsible for reward driven learning within the brain.


Eating carbohydrates like sugars, breads and pasta’s will trigger an increase in the production of insulin. The resulting insulin levels help clear out some amino acids within the bloodstream. What is left is an amino acid called tryptophan. This gets converted to serotonin within the brain. Serotonin helps with the feeling of well being and happiness. It’s also the neurotransmitter that some anti-depressants try to affect.


As mentioned before, pregnant women are socially seen as the biggest recipients of cravings because of “needing certain nutrients”. But rather than actually being short on specific nutrients from the food, the cause appears to be the same as the above.  Women who are pregnant have widely differing levels of hormones compared to when they aren’t pregnant. These hormones result in heightened senses of smell and taste, among other things. Differing levels of hormones that might produce the feeling of hunger aside, it’s because of these heightened senses that it is thought certain foods and odors can be more enticing or offensive.  In turn, this can aid in craving certain things, sometimes things that when they aren’t pregnant they wouldn’t ever want to eat, but while pregnant at times find to be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet.


The ancillary evidence that cravings come from these complex hormonal and neurotransmitter mediated mechanisms, and not nutritional needs, can be found in the amount and type of cravings we get. One study in 2004 showed that groups of people who were forced to consume only a non-appetizing vanilla flavored protein drink for 5 days actually craved the same drink once they were allowed to begin eating a normal diet again. Eating high amounts of foods that stimulate our reward centers, will cause the normal processes that stimulate those same centers to decrease production in an attempt not to overload our bodies. The result is the same type of tolerance certain drug users feel. Eventually, just eating one chocolate bar doesn’t suppress your craving, and before you know it, you’ve scarfed down an entire bag of Hershey’s Kisses just to feel normal again. Ah, the hunger-fix of a chocoholic is revealed! The more of anything you eat will, in turn, make you crave that same thing even more.


So the next time you see a pregnant lady eating a pickle and cheese sandwich and washing it down with a cool glass of grapefruit juice, rest assured, it’s most likely hormones and neurotransmitters going wild within her body, and not that her body is necessarily short on any specific nutrient in those items.  If you want to curb cravings, following the postulate “everything in moderation” can be helpful.  So can exercise.  Eat right and workout- the best way to both increase your probable life span and improve your long term quality of life.  Seriously, go eat some fresh veggies and do a little cardio.  Elderly you will thank you and in a lot of cases, even present day you will relatively quickly see some benefits.

Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2014, 01:09:39 PM »
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life.
They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.


Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.

ahahahaha..I was just looking for that quote  ;D ;D

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2014, 01:14:54 PM »
ahahahaha..I was just looking for that quote  ;D ;D

Beat me to it as well :D

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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2014, 01:20:05 PM »
Hahahahaha!!!! Now that is what I am talking about.

That was very funny.


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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2014, 01:41:11 PM »
Interesting: Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes: - As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.) - Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. She then chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.' - Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn. - Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. - Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (?Filegate?) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 1996, both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years. - In order to open ?slots? in the White House for her friends the Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours. - Another of Hil lary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense: ---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. ---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. ---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. ---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury ---- And Bill was impeached by the House. ---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath). - Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. - Hill ary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support. - Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen. - In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her. - Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.) - As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11. - Hillary's one notable vote; supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed. Quite a resume?. Sounds more like an organized crime family?s rap sheet. please read the following information gathered from the Library of Congress. Feel free to check these records for yourself; better still, read a little more, and try and stay current before posting assinine comments: Clinton v. Obama on Legislative Experience: Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years. These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you: 1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site. 2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month. 3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor. 4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall. 5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson. 6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea. 7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day. This is a wall of text. 9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death. 10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program. 13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda. 14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death. 15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11. 17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries. 19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care. 20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system. There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record. Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight months of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced 233 regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law), **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law), **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law), **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more. In all since he entered the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no legislative record. . . . My last point: Obama needs name recognition, he needs to be among the people, so people feel like they have access to him. HRC's debate challenge is more about the fact that her campaign is running low on money and she gets free air-time without spending anything. Would you give up the chance to see 20,000 voters up close and personal to be on a televised debate? No way! Obama, stick to your guns. Debate on your terms, not Hillary's! Go Obama 2008!

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Lol! You motherfuckers  :D

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Interesting: Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes: - As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.) - Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. She then chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.' - Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn. - Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. - Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (?Filegate?) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 1996, both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years. - In order to open ?slots? in the White House for her friends the Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours. - Another of Hil lary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense: ---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. ---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. ---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. ---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury ---- And Bill was impeached by the House. ---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath). - Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. - Hill ary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support. - Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen. - In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her. - Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.) - As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11. - Hillary's one notable vote; supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed. Quite a resume?. Sounds more like an organized crime family?s rap sheet. please read the following information gathered from the Library of Congress. Feel free to check these records for yourself; better still, read a little more, and try and stay current before posting assinine comments: Clinton v. Obama on Legislative Experience: Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years. These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you: 1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site. 2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month. 3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor. 4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall. 5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson. 6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea. 7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day. This is a wall of text. 9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death. 10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program. 13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda. 14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death. 15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11. 17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries. 19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care. 20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system. There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record. Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight months of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced 233 regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law), **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law), **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law), **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more. In all since he entered the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no legislative record. . . . My last point: Obama needs name recognition, he needs to be among the people, so people feel like they have access to him. HRC's debate challenge is more about the fact that her campaign is running low on money and she gets free air-time without spending anything. Would you give up the chance to see 20,000 voters up close and personal to be on a televised debate? No way! Obama, stick to your guns. Debate on your terms, not Hillary's! Go Obama 2008!

great post wes

ive always been interested in your take on politics
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2014, 01:56:10 PM »
great post wes

ive always been interested in your take on politics
There always has to be a starting point bigmc. The initial article/post, only serves as a starting point in most cases.


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Re: My thoughts on Craving certain nutrients
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2014, 01:56:24 PM »
Interesting: Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her 'record,' which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or 'co-president' - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes: - As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.) - Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. She then chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.' - Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn. - Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. - Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (?Filegate?) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 1996, both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years. - In order to open ?slots? in the White House for her friends the Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours. - Another of Hil lary's assumed duties was directing the 'bimbo eruption squad' and scandal defense: ---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. ---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. ---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. ---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury ---- And Bill was impeached by the House. ---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath). - Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. - Hill ary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support. - Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen. - In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the 'woman card' by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her. - Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.) - As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11. - Hillary's one notable vote; supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed. Quite a resume?. Sounds more like an organized crime family?s rap sheet. please read the following information gathered from the Library of Congress. Feel free to check these records for yourself; better still, read a little more, and try and stay current before posting assinine comments: Clinton v. Obama on Legislative Experience: Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years. These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you: 1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site. 2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month. 3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor. 4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall. 5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson. 6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea. 7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day. This is a wall of text. 9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death. 10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program. 13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda. 14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death. 15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11. 17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries. 19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care. 20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system. There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record. Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight months of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced 233 regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others. His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law), **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law), **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law), **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more. In all since he entered the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no legislative record. . . . My last point: Obama needs name recognition, he needs to be among the people, so people feel like they have access to him. HRC's debate challenge is more about the fact that her campaign is running low on money and she gets free air-time without spending anything. Would you give up the chance to see 20,000 voters up close and personal to be on a televised debate? No way! Obama, stick to your guns. Debate on your terms, not Hillary's! Go Obama 2008!

Great post Wes, although I must take issue with you on the bolded section, I believe it was 19, one of them was repealed.