Body measurements

[Ursus]

In Stuart Mc Roberts Brawn (the natural hardgainers bible some might say) it highlights John Mc Callum's theory of reasonable expectations for full size potential for a natural athlete based on wrist size.

Obviously everyone is differnt with varing structure even between upper and lower body. This is a ROUGH estimate

here it is

chest              6.5 x wrist
hips                85pc of chest
waist              70pc of chest
thigh               53pc of chest
neck               37pc of chest
upper arm      36pc of chest
calf                 34pc of chest
forearm          29pc of chest

In Brawn there is a publication of David P Willoughby's 'optimum ideal standard'. this was a goal for youths and men of AVERAGE muscular potential.

Willoughby also showed the wrist to ankle girth to be 79% to 82%. if you compare your own you can see whether or not you have a noticeably heavier lower-upper body structure.

Willoughby also advised how to measure.

wrist: below the styloid process of the ulna, ie on the hand side of it with hand open. i think that means above the bone.
leg girth: all measurements to be taken with the legs straight but relaxed, including the ankle at the smallest part. knee across center or knee cap
thighs: largest circumference
waist:at the smallest point withhout pulling the waist in
hips: at the largest point with feet together
chest: level of nipples not expanded
upper arm: flexed at largest point
forearm: largest point clenched straight. not with fist turned towards body
neck: smallest point
delt: measured from lateral head of one delt to another. i take this using eye level high cupboard doors.

1Height          8 Waist
2 Weight        9 hips
3Neck           10 thighs
4Bicep          11 knees
5Forearm     12 calves
6Wrist          13 ankles
7Chest         14 bi deltoid

 1    2      3      4      5     6    7      8      9      10    11    12   13   14
60 114 14.1 13.2 11.0 6.3 36.7 27.5 33.0 19.8 12.9 13.2 7.7 17.2
62 126 14.5 13.6 11.3 6.5 37.9 28.4 34.1 20.5 13.3 13.6 8.0 17.7
64 138 15.0 14.1 11.7 6.7 39.1 29.3 35.2 21.1 13.8 14.1 8.3 18.2
66 151 15.4 14.5 12.1 6.9 40.3 30.2 36.3 21.8 14.2 14.5 8.5 18.7
68 165 15.9 15.0 12.5 7.1 41.5 31.1 37.4 22.4 14.7 15.0 8.8 19.2
70 180 16.4 15.4 12.8 7.3 42.8 32.1 38.5 23.1 15.1 15.4 9.0 19.8
72 196 16.8 15.8 13.2 7.5 44.0 33.0 39.6 23.7 15.5 15.8 9.3 20.3
74 213 17.3 16.3 13.6 7.7 45.3 33.9 40.7 24.4 16.0 16.3 9.6 20.9
76 231 17.8 16.7 13.9 8.0 46.5 34.8 41.8 25.1 16.4 16.7 9.8 21.4
78 250 18.3 17.2 14.3 8.2 47.7 35.8 42.9 25.7 16.8 17.2 10.1 21.9

[Jr. Yates]

what is "pc"??

[Ursus]

what is "pc"??

percent

[Ursus]

strength targets also highlighted in brawn for the genetically average hard training 5'9 190lb lean male.

everyone is different these are typical for the average attainable 300-400-500 targets for bench squat and deadlift

regular squat to parallel 300x20 400x1
bent leg deadlift 385x15 500x1
stiff leg deadlift from floor 300x10
bench press 260x6 300x1
parallell bar dip bw plus 100lbs x6
overhead press 175x6
pulldown 240x6
chin bw plus 50-60 x6
1 arm dumbell row 110x6
barbell curl 120x6
shoulder width bench pressx220x6
single leg calf raise 20 with a 60lb dbell

all ecercise to be completed with full range of motion.

[Bossa]

The strength #'s are decent #'s for teh avg guy to reach, the measurements are a load of shit.

[Ursus]

The strength #'s are decent #'s for teh avg guy to reach, the measurements are a load of shit.

what ya mean, too easily attainable

[Bossa]

what ya mean, too easily attainable

It is way too over generalized...doesn't take into account body fat, besides the fact that these measurements are going to differ depending on samotype.  They are about as useful as a height weight chart, or using a gripper to test someones overall body strength. To illustrate how these generalized methods have little to no usefulness i will give you an example.  My Kin prof in uni also did all of the athletic tests for the leafs (NHL) Tie Domi registered as the second weakest player based on the grip strength test (he is teams enforcer, so this was surprising)  Well this same prof invented a "push-pull" machine used to measure strength and when he tested Domi on this he was the teams strongest player.  He was also above and beyond the others in the weight room.  So as you can see this test (grip) used for years to measure overall body strength was completely inaccurate.  The same applies to using a wrist measurement to say how big someone can get.

[alexxx]

You should convert all your lifts into the american measuring system.. so that we could actually understand what you trying to say.

[Prime]

You should convert all your lifts into the american measuring system.. so that we could actually understand what you trying to say.

Why? The whole world except america use kilos.  Just convert it to lbs.  And if you don't know how to do that, theres roughly 2.2lbs in a kilo, it's not rocket science.
And fyi those lifts are in lbs

[Jr. Yates]

thank you goudy. its interesting.

[sustabob]

chest              6.5 x wrist
hips                85pc of chest
waist              70pc of chest
thigh               53pc of chest
neck               37pc of chest
upper arm      36pc of chest
calf                 43pc of chest
forearm          29pc of chest

So, lets see...

A guy with 17" arms might have a 47" chest.

If he has a 47" chest he might have 20" calves 

Don't think so, bud - the math is screwed...

[Ursus]

So, lets see...

A guy with 17" arms might have a 47" chest.

If he has a 47" chest he might have 20" calves 

Don't think so, bud - the math is screwed...

just checked brawn i typed it in wrong. it is 34% NOT 43%, my mistake ill change the post. well spoted.

[alexxx]

just change it into inches so that we can make fun of you already 

[sustabob]

just checked brawn i typed it in wrong. it is 34% NOT 43%, my mistake ill change the post. well spoted.

Aha.... makes 16" calves...

That, I can believe 

[DK II]

what is "pc"??

Personal Computer 

[gibberj2]

 
My chest potential with this is 45.5 but my hips are already 40. my calves surpass by 2 inches already, my arms only need an inch and i think they'd still be small. my waist needs to drop 3.5 inches.
MELTDOWN TIME

[a_joker10]

This system is used to make the "perfect body" It is a 19th century ideal and has almost no bearing on the bodybuilders of today. At one time people use to atrophy some muscle groups while building others to make this ideal.

It is a pleasing ratio. The statue of David is built on this. But modern bodybuilding it is not.