Author Topic: Bill Moyers - dont let obama lie and break promises on web freedom.  (Read 5173 times)


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He said it many more times. And defenders of net neutrality believed him, that he would preserve Internet access for all, without selling out to providers like Verizon and Comcast who want to charge higher fees for speedier access -- hustling more cash from those who can afford to buy a place at the front of the line. On this issue so important to democracy, they believed he would keep his word, would see to it that when private interests set upon the Internet like sharks to blood in the water, its fate would be in the hands of honest brokers who would listen politely to the pleas of the greedy, and then show them the door.

Unfortunately, it turned out to be Washington's infamous revolving door. Last May, President Obama named Tom Wheeler to be FCC chairman. He had other choices, men or women whose loyalty was to the public, not to rich and powerful corporations. But Tom Wheeler had been one of Obama's top bundlers of campaign cash -- both in 2008 and again in 2012, when he raised at least half a million dollars for the president's re-election. Like his proposed new rules for the Web, that put him at the front of the line.

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He said it many more times. And defenders of net neutrality believed him, that he would preserve Internet access for all, without selling out to providers like Verizon and Comcast who want to charge higher fees for speedier access -- hustling more cash from those who can afford to buy a place at the front of the line. On this issue so important to democracy, they believed he would keep his word, would see to it that when private interests set upon the Internet like sharks to blood in the water, its fate would be in the hands of honest brokers who would listen politely to the pleas of the greedy, and then show them the door.

Unfortunately, it turned out to be Washington's infamous revolving door. Last May, President Obama named Tom Wheeler to be FCC chairman. He had other choices, men or women whose loyalty was to the public, not to rich and powerful corporations. But Tom Wheeler had been one of Obama's top bundlers of campaign cash -- both in 2008 and again in 2012, when he raised at least half a million dollars for the president's re-election. Like his proposed new rules for the Web, that put him at the front of the line.


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Bump.

Does anyone have a response to this?

I actually heard the Moyers show on the radio last weekend and Obama doesn't have a leg to stand on.

However I can't take our resident mental patient seriously when he starts the thread with nothing but a link and LOL

I assume he's just looking for another opportunity for a Tourettes's like barrage of posts about how Obama is a twink, choomer, getting a divorce etc...


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I actually heard the Moyers show on the radio last weekend and Obama doesn't have a leg to stand on.

However I can't take our resident mental patient seriously when he starts the thread with nothing but a link and LOL

I assume he's just looking for another opportunity for a Tourettes's like barrage of posts about how Obama is a twink, choomer, getting a divorce etc...



True story bro

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I actually heard the Moyers show on the radio last weekend and Obama doesn't have a leg to stand on.

However I can't take our resident mental patient seriously when he starts the thread with nothing but a link and LOL

I assume he's just looking for another opportunity for a Tourettes's like barrage of posts about how Obama is a twink, choomer, getting a divorce etc...



I notice he spends a lot of time on Huffington Post.

I bet he's easy to spot in the comments section. The right wing nutters stand out for their stupidity and angry argumentative nature.

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I notice he spends a lot of time on Huffington Post.

I bet he's easy to spot in the comments section. The right wing nutters stand out for their stupidity and angry argumentative nature.

I got banned from HP after trolling a Michelle Obama thread  ;)

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I got banned from HP after trolling a Michelle Obama thread  ;)

well you started this thread and so far all you've said on the topic is "LOL"

we're supposed to have rule about trolling on this board as well but it's obviously never enforced

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Complain to the mods - I could care less slim. 

As for this topic - this is only a surprise to the dumbest and most ignorant among us who voted for Obama believing he was anything what he has proven time and time again to be - a corrupt, sleezy, two faced punk

Thanks for proving my point

you have NOTHING to say on this topic

It's only a vehicle for you to troll

How about it  Mods?  Are you going to enforce your own rules?

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Thanks for proving my point

you have NOTHING to say on this topic

It's only a vehicle for you to troll

How about it  Mods?  Are you going to enforce your own rules?

What more is there to add at this point?  Obama is selling out AGAIN

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Thanks for proving my point

you have NOTHING to say on this topic

It's only a vehicle for you to troll

How about it  Mods?  Are you going to enforce your own rules?


Requesting mod intervention wont work in your favor.  How often do you pop into threads only to write something snide?
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Requesting mod intervention wont work in your favor.  How often do you pop into threads only to write something snide?

rare to never unless I'm responding to a previously snide remark or an obvious troll and that is usually only with one person on this board

With everyone else I always start with normal dialogue and usually remain so even after they get into the insults


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rare to never unless I'm responding to a previously snide remark or an obvious troll and that is usually only with one person on this board

With everyone else I always start with normal dialogue and usually remain so even after they get into the insults



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:'(

you're a self admitted troll

the only one on this board

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I actually heard the Moyers show on the radio last weekend and Obama doesn't have a leg to stand on.

However I can't take our resident mental patient seriously when he starts the thread with nothing but a link and LOL

I assume he's just looking for another opportunity for a Tourettes's like barrage of posts about how Obama is a twink, choomer, getting a divorce etc...



Thank you, Straw. Will try to find that show and listen over the next day or so. Will do some searches, too.

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rare to never unless I'm responding to a previously snide remark or an obvious troll and that is usually only with one person on this board

With everyone else I always start with normal dialogue and usually remain so even after they get into the insults



Your perceptions of your contributions is off.
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Thank you, Straw. Will try to find that show and listen over the next day or so. Will do some searches, too.

here you go

http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-is-net-neutrality-dead/

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Your perceptions of your contributions is off.

feel free to point out examples

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feel free to point out examples

This very thread.   99% of what you wrote are insults.
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This very thread.   99% of what you wrote are insults.

try reading more carefully next time

rare to never unless I'm responding to a previously snide remark or an obvious troll and that is usually only with one person on this board

With everyone else I always start with normal dialogue and usually remain so even after they get into the insults


this thread is an obvious troll


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try reading more carefully next time

this thread is an obvious troll



Try contributing something useful.   
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Try contributing something useful.   
I find his posts quite useful, even if I disagree. :)

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So checking out Straw's link, and reading the piece in the original post of this thread, can't help but notice that Moyers and his guests really love to softball their criticism. I can't imagine how they manage to combine some of these ideas together. They make some great points that should be followed by outrage, but instead they almost attempt to negate what they just said. They do it time and again.

But at least they bring it into the open, I suppose.

This is from the original post, and you can see how his shit works. It is a very small cult, going back and forth between positions, holding everyone else down, seeking to keep us from our very own power.

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Barack Obama told us there would be no compromise on net neutrality. We heard him say it back in 2007, when he first was running for president.

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We have to ensure [a] free and full exchange of information and that starts with an open Internet," he said in a speech at Google headquarters, the presidium of cyberspace. "I will take a backseat to no one in my commitment to network neutrality, because once providers start to privilege some applications or websites over others, then the smaller voices get squeezed out and we all lose. The Internet is perhaps the most open network in history and we have to keep it that way.

He said it many more times. And defenders of net neutrality believed him, that he would preserve Internet access for all, without selling out to providers like Verizon and Comcast who want to charge higher fees for speedier access -- hustling more cash from those who can afford to buy a place at the front of the line. On this issue so important to democracy, they believed he would keep his word, would see to it that when private interests set upon the Internet like sharks to blood in the water, its fate would be in the hands of honest brokers who would listen politely to the pleas of the greedy, and then show them the door.

Unfortunately, it turned out to be Washington's infamous revolving door. Last May, President Obama named Tom Wheeler to be FCC chairman. He had other choices, men or women whose loyalty was to the public, not to rich and powerful corporations. But Tom Wheeler had been one of Obama's top bundlers of campaign cash -- both in 2008 and again in 2012, when he raised at least half a million dollars for the president's re-election. Like his proposed new rules for the Web, that put him at the front of the line.

What's more, Wheeler had been the top gun for both the National Cable and Telecommunications Association (NCTA) and the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association (CTIA), lobbyists for the cable and wireless industries. However we might try to imagine that he could quickly abandon old habits of service to his employers, that's not how Washington works. Business and government are now so intertwined that public officials and corporate retainers are interchangeable parts of what Chief Justice John Roberts might call "the gratitude machine."

Remember the FCC chairman under George W. Bush? Michael Powell was no champion of net neutrality then, and now he works for its evisceration as CEO of the NCTA, the cable industry's trade association, the same job Chairman Wheeler held three decades ago. Round and round they go, and where they stop -- actually they never stop. They just flash their EZ Pass as they keep shuttling through that revolving door.

Consider: Daniel Alvarez was a long-time member of a law firm that has advised Comcast. He once wrote to the FCC on behalf of that giant, arguing against net neutrality rules. He's been hired by Tom Wheeler.

Former Ambassador Phillip Verveer also worked for Comcast and the wireless and cable trade associations, both of which have opposed Net neutrality. He's now Tom Wheeler's senior counselor.

Attorney Brendan Carr worked for Verizon and the telecom industry's trade association, which lobbied against Net neutrality. Now Brendan Carr is an adviser to FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai, who once described open Internet rules as a "solution in search of a problem" and used to be a top lawyer for Verizon.


To be fair, Tom Wheeler has brought media reformers into the FCC, too, and has been telling us all that we don't understand -- that we're the victims of "misinformation" about the new rules -- that he is still for net neutrality. Possibly. But the public's no chump, and as you can see from just those few examples from the reporting of intrepid young journalist Lee Fang, those new rules are not the product of an immaculate conception. They were hatched in a place where industry midwives huddle around the cradle, waiting to privatize -- sorry, baptize -- the new arrival, and claim him for their own. Everyone else -- nonprofit groups, startups, the smaller, independent content creators and everyday users -- move to the rear. The net will be neutral no more.

President Obama could stiffen Tom Wheeler's spine with one phone call. That's not likely, given the broken promises that litter the White House grounds. But the FCC meets on May 15. Before then, you can send an e-mail to make your opinion known at openinternet@fcc.gov. Or direct a tweet to Wheeler @TomWheelerFCC.

After the meeting, there will be a "public comment" period of 30 to perhaps 45 days before they start finalizing any new rules. Speak up. You have a chance to tell both Obama and Wheeler what you think, so that the will of the people, not the power of money and predatory interests, is heard.